The coronavirus

josevolution

F Me In The Brain said:

136 people listed as died yesterday in TX.
Play ball, motherfuckers!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

After all it’s the American pastime I say let them have at it .

dankind

Yikes! All those new cases from spring break in Florida. 

My grandmother got her second jab yesterday down there. Hope she stays safe.

Hobbes

josevolution said:

F Me In The Brain said:

136 people listed as died yesterday in TX.
Play ball, motherfuckers!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

After all it’s the American pastime I say let them have at it .

Egocentrism?

Indifference71

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

Compared to 20-30K cases per day in January, I'd say it's pretty low.  My point is that no one really knows WTF they're doing when it comes to this virus.  It's easy to laugh at Texas/Florida but their numbers aren't much different than states that have had severe restrictions/lockdowns.

josevolution

dankind said:

Yikes! All those new cases from spring break in Florida. 

My grandmother got her second jab yesterday down there. Hope she stays safe.

Good for her, stay safe it’s unreal we will be dealing with this virus and containment for years. 

mickeyrat

Indifference71 said:

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

Compared to 20-30K cases per day in January, I'd say it's pretty low.  My point is that no one really knows WTF they're doing when it comes to this virus.  It's easy to laugh at Texas/Florida but their numbers aren't much different than states that have had severe restrictions/lockdowns.

I'd question the reporting, how the data is compiled and rates of testing.....

Hobbes

Indifference71 said:

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

Compared to 20-30K cases per day in January, I'd say it's pretty low.  My point is that no one really knows WTF they're doing when it comes to this virus.  It's easy to laugh at Texas/Florida but their numbers aren't much different than states that have had severe restrictions/lockdowns.

Imagine the death toll in Texas would be lower had they continued with restrictions. We're not comparing numbers; these are people's lives.

tbergs

mickeyrat said:

Indifference71 said:

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

Compared to 20-30K cases per day in January, I'd say it's pretty low.  My point is that no one really knows WTF they're doing when it comes to this virus.  It's easy to laugh at Texas/Florida but their numbers aren't much different than states that have had severe restrictions/lockdowns.

I'd question the reporting, how the data is compiled and rates of testing.....

Yeah, you can spin things lots of ways, good or bad. I wouldn't celebrate or denigrate without a full analysis, but I'd tend to lean against what Texas and Florida are doing as a positive influence overall. They've ultimately decided economy before covid recovery at this point. Probably could have held off until at least May to get vaccination rates to a decent level.

mace1229

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

I don't think TX is doing everything right. My point was, similar to one already stated, seems like TX gets more heat when they are no worse, or even better off in many cases, than a lot of other states. If they can reduce cases and reopen faster, then good for them. All the data Ive seen this week suggests the cases are declining in TX, so why use national data to judge their decisions?  I do think 100% for a baseball game is agressive. But I hear it was just for opening day and not for regular season games. 
If you're a governor of NY you can be the worst state in the country, kill elderly people and lie about it and get awards and books for your efforts. If you're a Texas leader you can have declining numbers and everyone hates you for it. 

F Me In The Brain

I do agree that there is constantly changing news and information as more is learned about this.....but the death numbers would seem to be a good indicator that there is still a very real problem.  136/952 reported deaths yesterday represents nothing good, to me, about how Texas handled things up to yesterday.
When their death rates are way down I will be happy to see a full stadium....until then my opinion is that full stadiums are a really poor idea.

tbergs

mace1229 said:

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

I don't think TX is doing everything right. My point was, similar to one already stated, seems like TX gets more heat when they are no worse, or even better off in many cases, than a lot of other states. If they can reduce cases and reopen faster, then good for them. All the data Ive seen this week suggests the cases are declining in TX, so why use national data to judge their decisions?  I do think 100% for a baseball game is agressive. But I hear it was just for opening day and not for regular season games. 
If you're a governor of NY you can be the worst state in the country, kill elderly people and lie about it and get awards and books for your efforts. If you're a Texas leader you can have declining numbers and everyone hates you for it. 

I think the NY honeymoon phase ended a while ago. Nobody has praised them lately, but if they went ahead and did something like Texas and Florida, they'd be annihilated in the press and public opinion, especially as a blue state.

Merkin Baller

I wish I loved something in life as much as conservatives love playing the victim. 

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

I wish I loved something in life as much as conservatives love playing the victim. 

Whos playing the victim? Is pointing out that TX has declining numbers so why use national data to criticize their decisions playing a victim? I would not consider it that. I was just pointing out facts. National cases are up. Texas is down. How is it relevant to use national data to judge Texas? No one has answered. 
Maybe Texas can reopen and reduce cases. Maybe not, we'll know more in the coming weeks. But so far it looks to be working for them. That's good news, isn't it?

nicknyr15

mace1229 said:

Hobbes said:

Indifference71 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Cases up 17% in this nation, Texas Rangers to open up baseball season full capacity whoppee baseball is back not! 

But isn’t Texas actually down in cases?

full capacity lol 

I agree full capacity seems too much. I just don’t know why the National data of cases being up 17% was relevant when the state is actually down 12%. They’re obviously doing better than most states, but I hear more complaints about how Texas is handling this than the ones actually up 15-20%.

Agreed.  Full capacity at this point seems aggressive but people do love to ignore the data and facts when it comes to states like Florida or Texas.  The whole world laughed at Texas a few weeks ago when they removed all restrictions yet their numbers are currently very low.  Just more proof that no one really knows anything about how to contain this thing.

The data in the post above yours suggests otherwise.

I don't think TX is doing everything right. My point was, similar to one already stated, seems like TX gets more heat when they are no worse, or even better off in many cases, than a lot of other states. If they can reduce cases and reopen faster, then good for them. All the data Ive seen this week suggests the cases are declining in TX, so why use national data to judge their decisions?  I do think 100% for a baseball game is agressive. But I hear it was just for opening day and not for regular season games. 
If you're a governor of NY you can be the worst state in the country, kill elderly people and lie about it and get awards and books for your efforts. If you're a Texas leader you can have declining numbers and everyone hates you for it. 

That’s politics. It’s a shame. Blue states/red states. More important than the actual science that Cuomo preached on and on about since day 1. And yes.... full capacity stadiums is an absolutely SHIT idea. 

F Me In The Brain

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I wish I loved something in life as much as conservatives love playing the victim. 

Whos playing the victim? Is pointing out that TX has declining numbers so why use national data to criticize their decisions playing a victim? I would not consider it that. I was just pointing out facts. National cases are up. Texas is down. How is it relevant to use national data to judge Texas? No one has answered. 
Maybe Texas can reopen and reduce cases. Maybe not, we'll know more in the coming weeks. But so far it looks to be working for them. That's good news, isn't it?

If you look past the numbers I shared which show they just missed having the highest death toll in the country from Covid yesterday.....it is working out really well for them.

tbergs

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I wish I loved something in life as much as conservatives love playing the victim. 

Whos playing the victim? Is pointing out that TX has declining numbers so why use national data to criticize their decisions playing a victim? I would not consider it that. I was just pointing out facts. National cases are up. Texas is down. How is it relevant to use national data to judge Texas? No one has answered. 
Maybe Texas can reopen and reduce cases. Maybe not, we'll know more in the coming weeks. But so far it looks to be working for them. That's good news, isn't it?

The issue is you're correlating data because it benefits a certain opinion without considering all the information. Look, maybe (very slim) TX removing mandates hasn't had a negative impact, but everything we know about the virus would suggest otherwise. Instead, what TX current numbers may represent is that cases were going down either way, like they were all across the country, and thus there has not been a noticeable difference. What I would expect to see is TX having higher numbers than other states as cases tick back up again because they removed spread mitigating practices. NY cases may be higher, but I'd rather be living somewhere that still thinks the virus exists than going all in like a desperate gambler looking to score big at roulette.

tbergs

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I wish I loved something in life as much as conservatives love playing the victim. 

Whos playing the victim? Is pointing out that TX has declining numbers so why use national data to criticize their decisions playing a victim? I would not consider it that. I was just pointing out facts. National cases are up. Texas is down. How is it relevant to use national data to judge Texas? No one has answered. 
Maybe Texas can reopen and reduce cases. Maybe not, we'll know more in the coming weeks. But so far it looks to be working for them. That's good news, isn't it?

If you look past the numbers I shared which show they just missed having the highest death toll in the country from Covid yesterday.....it is working out really well for them.

Higher death tolls may be related to the lack of mandates and people being exposed to heavier viral loads of the virus. Masks may not have completely stopped the spread, but they mitigate the level for exposure, which I believe was proven to be a factor in how severely ill people got.

Hobbes

Texas celebrates too soon? Nah.

Halifax2TheMax

Let’s wait and see. A known positivity rate over 5% coupled with a 30% decline in testing with daily cases up over 10% doesn’t bode well for Tejas. Add daily deaths still over 100 per day and it sounds like everyone should just go out to the old ball game. WaPo covid coverage is free.

mace1229

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I wish I loved something in life as much as conservatives love playing the victim. 

Whos playing the victim? Is pointing out that TX has declining numbers so why use national data to criticize their decisions playing a victim? I would not consider it that. I was just pointing out facts. National cases are up. Texas is down. How is it relevant to use national data to judge Texas? No one has answered. 
Maybe Texas can reopen and reduce cases. Maybe not, we'll know more in the coming weeks. But so far it looks to be working for them. That's good news, isn't it?

The issue is you're correlating data because it benefits a certain opinion without considering all the information. Look, maybe (very slim) TX removing mandates hasn't had a negative impact, but everything we know about the virus would suggest otherwise. Instead, what TX current numbers may represent is that cases were going down either way, like they were all across the country, and thus there has not been a noticeable difference. What I would expect to see is TX having higher numbers than other states as cases tick back up again because they removed spread mitigating practices. NY cases may be higher, but I'd rather be living somewhere that still thinks the virus exists than going all in like a desperate gambler looking to score big at roulette.

I disagree because I haven't said TX is doing it right, so I'm not saying it to benefit a certain opinion. I don't think they should have done away with the mask mandate completely. I think 100% for opening day was too aggressive.  My point was why criticize their decisions based on national data when their state data differs? 
H2TM had a good point in that their data may not be accurate if testing dropped by 30%. I would say that is a valid reason to reconsider their state data and is a valid answer to my question. The 5% positivity rate he mentioned though doesn't seem high, and is lower than what it was a month ago I believe. 
I dont actually think we'll know how right or wrong Texas is for several weeks or maybe even longer.