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Its actually more beneficial at least with AZPJNB said:So in New Brunswick they are waiting 16 weeks between shots. I did some research on this and am not impressed at all.
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It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Research doesn't back vaccine dose delay for seniors, Canada's chief science adviser says
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/research-doesn-t-back-vaccine-dose-delay-for-seniors-canada-s-chief-science-adviser-says-1.5358075
also for pre-existing conditions...
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The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.
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PJNB said:
Must of missed that discussion somehow or old age is kicking lol. I get it but its a huge risk imo. I need to do some research but the first couple of articles I read were not that promising.oftenreading said:PJNB said:
Has to be. I really don't care about me having it spaced out and need to find out more from older friends and family but it looks like most have to wait that long as of right now. I think the larger provinces need to get the most doses even more than the fair amount would be per capita. It is obvious the larger municipalities are hit the worst and should the most attention. That said why am I getting vaccinated in a week just so I can wait for 16 weeks while someone older and more vulnerable could have a double dose in under a month instead. I get that there is some protection with the single dose but with a province like mine that have hospitals that barely ever see a covid patient why are we not just protecting the ones that need it most with both shots right now? Makes no sense to me especially with having one shot you can still easily get it and have symptoms.mickeyrat said:PJNB said:So in New Brunswick they are waiting 16 weeks between shots. I did some research on this and am not impressed at all.
availability issue?
BC is also 16 weeks. We had a discussion about this in this thread when the decision was made a few weeks back. While it's outside of the manufacturer's guidelines it does have some support from available evidence. It gets first doses into many more people, which leads to an estimated 90% level of protection once you get beyond 2 weeks from the first dose. In fact, there is even some evidence that immunity will be greater with the delay in doses.
What information led you to be not impressed?
https://fortune.com/2021/01/26/covid-vaccine-timeline-second-shot-dose-how-long-between-coronavirus-vaccine-shots-moderna-pfizer-astrazeneca/?fbclid=IwAR2s4MeXtsiGfKqq56U0w4PWIKJeLoUkPbeugmnI1X4J7I2VlVMcBjDuDuI
It's easy to miss info about covid. New material comes out every day.
And on that note, the article you posted is dated January 26, which is ancient history in the covid timeline. There has been new data since, and also a re-analysis of the Pfizer data from their licensing trial. It turns out that when they calculated the efficacy after the first dose, they included infections that occurred in from the day of immunization in the people who got vaccinated, which doesn't really make sense since there is no effective immunity developed until 10-14 days after the immunization. When the data was analyzed to look at infections from day 15 on, it shows efficacy of about 89-90%. There is also new Israeli and British data, plus some others.
The choice of a 3 or 4 week dosing interval was for convenience, not science - the pharma companies wanted data as soon as possible. If it wasn't such an urgent situation they would likely have gone for a longer dosing interval. Now that their products have regulatory approval for the 3 or 4 week intervals they are obliged to say that they don't approve of any other use, but that doesn't mean that other intervals can't be as or more effective.
New data comes in all the time so I'm sure we'll see more on this. In the meantime, I think it's likely the right call to focus on getting first doses into as many people as possible, given the high levels of protection that we know last at least 3 months without evidence of decline by that point.
Edit: there is evidence that people with severely compromised immune systems, such as cancer patients undergoing chemo, etc, should have the two doses close together. It's not a big surprise that their impaired immune systems need a different approach but not really reflective of the general population. It's good news that they were able to mount an immune response at all.Post edited by oftenreading onmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Diane Francis: New study finds delaying second doses of COVID vaccine could put lives at risk
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Well, that’s not at all biasedMeltdown99 said:Diane Francis: New study finds delaying second doses of COVID vaccine could put lives at risk
Again, that only refers to cancer patients with compromised immune systems.And there is some evidence that the AZ vaccine is actually more effective against some variants, not less.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials did NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven as we can see in the levels after the one dose left up to 3 months it dose not drop. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Post edited by lastexitlondon on
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it's not a fact to him unless it proves canadian politicians are corrupt and/or stupid.lastexitlondon said:
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials dis NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Very true,I agree. In fact in cancer patients they must have both doses close together. But that makes sence as the immune system is on its arse anyway.oftenreading said:
Well, that’s not at all biasedMeltdown99 said:Diane Francis: New study finds delaying second doses of COVID vaccine could put lives at risk
Again, that only refers to cancer patients with compromised immune systems.And there is some evidence that the AZ vaccine is actually more effective against some variants, not less.
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Ah I see. I'm no good at politics hahaHughFreakingDillon said:
it's not a fact to him unless it proves canadian politicians are corrupt and/or stupid.lastexitlondon said:
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials dis NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.
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You don’t know anything about me. Your just a troll...and you know it. You’ve trolled me for quite a while. Why is that?HughFreakingDillon said:
it's not a fact to him unless it proves canadian politicians are corrupt and/or stupid.lastexitlondon said:
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials dis NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Do you ever post facts and links...or do you just believe anything lying corrupt politicians tell-you? All sides. It’s doubtful.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I know a family friend that works in a care home, has refused a vaccine and now there is a real chance she loses her job. That's wrong23scidoo said:
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The best is yet to come..lastexitlondon said:
I know a family friend that works in a care home, has refused a vaccine and now there is a real chance she loses her job. That's wrong23scidoo said:Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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You posted an article from the right wing Financial Post with an obvious bent against the Liberals. Like Often pointed out, it only talks about cancer patients needing the second dose within the 21 day recommended time frame. Which seems reasonable to me. But the government has made the decision to get vaccines in more people sooner with the idea that it will save more lives, and the evidence supports that theory.Meltdown99 said:
You don’t know anything about me. Your just a troll...and you know it. You’ve trolled me for quite a while. Why is that?HughFreakingDillon said:
it's not a fact to him unless it proves canadian politicians are corrupt and/or stupid.lastexitlondon said:
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials dis NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Do you ever post facts and links...or do you just believe anything lying corrupt politicians tell-you? All sides. It’s doubtful.
And as an anecdote it seems here in Alberta most people are getting or are going to get their second shot within a couple of weeks after the first anyways. This may all be a moot point because vaccines seem to be becoming more readily available.0 -
I'm a troll. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. good one.Meltdown99 said:
You don’t know anything about me. Your just a troll...and you know it. You’ve trolled me for quite a while. Why is that?HughFreakingDillon said:
it's not a fact to him unless it proves canadian politicians are corrupt and/or stupid.lastexitlondon said:
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials dis NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Do you ever post facts and links...or do you just believe anything lying corrupt politicians tell-you? All sides. It’s doubtful.
I don't troll you. I have you on ignore. I only see your posts if someone else quotes it. try again. I only checked this post because I knew it would be some bitter post about me.
I believe science. that's it. SCIENCE.
oh, and it's "you're".By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
LMFAO. I believe in Science. Lmfao. Yeah sure you do. Then post something to back up your claim? To bad you didn’t believe in good government and clean drinking ...HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm a troll. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. good one.Meltdown99 said:
You don’t know anything about me. Your just a troll...and you know it. You’ve trolled me for quite a while. Why is that?HughFreakingDillon said:
it's not a fact to him unless it proves canadian politicians are corrupt and/or stupid.lastexitlondon said:
What are you on about?I live in the UK and it's happening here . What part is not conclusive. Look if you keep searching you will find someone that agrees. But seriously the immunity grows day upon day and infact the second dose is too soon as it only adds a minor percentage. The first dose keeps growing after the 21 days and even more after 30 odd days. Meaning the trials dis NOT allow for a longer gap . Now its proven. Believe what you like. People can believe what they like but science is factMeltdown99 said:
No it’s not.lastexitlondon said:
The manufacturers did not test a longer gap but we the UK have in real time and its conclusive.Meltdown99 said:
It’s always best to follow the manufacturers instructions...PJNB said:I would also say that it makes sense in a dense population that is overrun by the virus and they need some kind of protection with limited supplies of the vaccine to space it out to get some relief. Not for a province that is regarded as one of the best places to be in NA during this virus (largely based on small population). Protect all of the vulnerable with the recommended dose. 16 weeks spaced out imo will lead a lot more people to say fuck it i do not need the second dose in the summer when things are way more calmed down.
They are spreading the dose out so the prime minister and some premiers can save face...And really, I’m not surprised...our health care is rationed at the best of times.Do you ever post facts and links...or do you just believe anything lying corrupt politicians tell-you? All sides. It’s doubtful.
I don't troll you. I have you on ignore. I only see your posts if someone else quotes it. try again. I only checked this post because I knew it would be some bitter post about me.
I believe science. that's it. SCIENCE.
oh, and it's "you're".
you are (is that better...) like most Canadians will waste your vote on either liberal of con...same old.I am at least willing to give SINGH A chance? Maybe he will make an effort to get clean drinking water to ALL Canadians...
your such an arrogant person...go troll someone else.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
U.S. Health Officials Question AstraZeneca Vaccine Trial Results
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/23/business/astrazeneca-vaccine-questions.amp.html%3f0p19G=6214
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