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cincybearcat said:So maybe we are just confusing a few things.
1) The US really messed this up by not having national standards and not enforcing standards and generally individuals not following proper protocol.
2) Separate from that - there seem to be a lot of data to show how to operate in a safe manner in this environment.
My question remains - for those that were pissed off at trump and the US response to ignore science...do you know want to follow the science which talks about open schools, opening businesses, how outdoor activities are safe (distancing the key), etc now? And if not, why?I'm not really your target audience here because I do want to listen to the science (as I've gleefully pointed out, I don't have to worry about the school stuff). I spent March-November biking/running outslide along the Mississippi River and it was not free of others by a long shot. I actually did put my mask over my chin and would pull it up when I got near people but most did not do any such thing. I also did some outdoor brewery sessions. I appreciated those that would schedule appointments for set lengths of time to limit bunching of people.All that said, I can take a shot at where some are coming from. Anything aside from staying home has some risk. And it's difficult to draw a line for where "you can't live like a shut-in" vs. "that's just not safe." And I think if the US and its population had been more risk-averse, we'd be in far better position right now. (Of course, if we'd stop being babies and start understanding the value of masks and distancing, we might be able to feel better about doing stuff, too...)The science is about mitigating, not eliminating, danger. I say this with no commentary about where we should draw that line (since I have no idea where that is).1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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cincybearcat said:Meltdown99 said:If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..
Even though schools are not that safe. They are just a babysitting service anymore...
Schools were not designed for social distancing...
By the way many teachers and support know the kids usually are asymptomatic but the can be little spreaders.
schools are a baby sitting service more than anything these day. Teachers say that, my sister who is a teacher says that all the time..WhT I am ignoring is a bunch of dumb politicians who are deliberately deceiving school board staff...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
Hey all, remember me?! The "freedumb", clown post guy that gets all his news from twitter. Yep, that's me!
I am really glad a lot of people are getting vaccinated, honest to goodness, I am happy for those who are getting vaccinated and feeling the sense of relief. Be advised though, the vaccine does not make you safe.
A simple question, what is the purpose of the vaccine again?
To quote from the post above:
"My question remains - for those that were pissed off at trump and the US response to ignore science...do you know want to follow the science which talks about open schools, opening businesses, how outdoor activities are safe (distancing the key), etc now? And if not, why?"
This has ALWAYS been about the political science, nothing more. Deep down I think most on this forum would admit that. See the latest tweet from above. Remember when "two weeks to flatten the curve" became "wear one mask and distance, no make that two masks" became "we need the vaccines to return to normal" became "even if you have the vaccines, continue to wear masks and distance"? Because I do.
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F Me In The Brain said:Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
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Meltdown99 said:cincybearcat said:Meltdown99 said:If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..
Even though schools are not that safe. They are just a babysitting service anymore...
Schools were not designed for social distancing...
By the way many teachers and support know the kids usually are asymptomatic but the can be little spreaders.
schools are a baby sitting service more than anything these day. Teachers say that, my sister who is a teacher says that all the time..WhT I am ignoring is a bunch of dumb politicians who are deliberately deceiving school board staff...I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
@gvn2fly1421 I thought the reason to still socially distance and masking up after getting the vaccine is the worry that you could be a silent spreader still and could be helping in keeping it circulating in your community that the majority has yet to be vaccinated. Unless I missed it there is no data out there that says being vaccinated stops you from being a spreader but does stop you from getting sick enough to be hospitalized or die.
Hearing Fauci say the US will have to keep wearing masks until 2022 is frustrating to see. If makes no sense if the US has herd immunity as they are projecting way before then.Post edited by PJNB on0 -
dankind said:Meltdown99 said:cincybearcat said:Meltdown99 said:If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..
Even though schools are not that safe. They are just a babysitting service anymore...
Schools were not designed for social distancing...
By the way many teachers and support know the kids usually are asymptomatic but the can be little spreaders.
schools are a baby sitting service more than anything these day. Teachers say that, my sister who is a teacher says that all the time..WhT I am ignoring is a bunch of dumb politicians who are deliberately deceiving school board staff...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:dankind said:Meltdown99 said:cincybearcat said:Meltdown99 said:If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..
Even though schools are not that safe. They are just a babysitting service anymore...
Schools were not designed for social distancing...
By the way many teachers and support know the kids usually are asymptomatic but the can be little spreaders.
schools are a baby sitting service more than anything these day. Teachers say that, my sister who is a teacher says that all the time..WhT I am ignoring is a bunch of dumb politicians who are deliberately deceiving school board staff...
Did she express her concerns to people who could actually make a difference, or did she she gripe to her brother?
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Meltdown99 said:dankind said:Meltdown99 said:cincybearcat said:Meltdown99 said:If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..
Even though schools are not that safe. They are just a babysitting service anymore...
Schools were not designed for social distancing...
By the way many teachers and support know the kids usually are asymptomatic but the can be little spreaders.
schools are a baby sitting service more than anything these day. Teachers say that, my sister who is a teacher says that all the time..WhT I am ignoring is a bunch of dumb politicians who are deliberately deceiving school board staff...
Yes we need kids to be looked after if mom and dad are both working. Yes school is free (minus the taxes we pay for it to run) and is the better "babysitting" option if that is how you want to look at it financially. Again though to ignore the importance of the education that is provided is a fault in your argument that is is a baby sitting service.0 -
F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/andrew-cuomo-private-household-gatherings-driving-mew-york-state-spread-of-covid-19/71-ea875293-1ea0-446b-a9a2-eb3ae1fe6dbd
This is just New York, but its not that drastically different if you find nationwide data. I didnt post a source because I haven't heard anyone claim anything but household gatherings as the primary source, I thought it was common knowledge at this point that they were the primary spreader.
1. Private gatherings - 74%
2. Health care delivery - 8%
3. Higher ed student - 2%
Restaurants and gyms are not in the top 3, leaving them below 2%. Gyms were actually listed as 0.06%, but that probably isnt accurate since most have been closed.
All restaurant dining is usually listed around 1-2%. Making outside dining alone very small. Which is why so many find the forced shutdowns completely uneccesarry for small business, when they aren't the ones spreading the virus. In some cases you couldn't eat outside with a near-zero chance of spreading the virus, but no one was stopping you from having a birthdya party at your house.
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mace1229 said:F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/andrew-cuomo-private-household-gatherings-driving-mew-york-state-spread-of-covid-19/71-ea875293-1ea0-446b-a9a2-eb3ae1fe6dbd
This is just New York, but its not that drastically different if you find nationwide data. I didnt post a source because I haven't heard anyone claim anything but household gatherings as the primary source, I thought it was common knowledge at this point that they were the primary spreader.
1. Private gatherings - 74%
2. Health care delivery - 8%
3. Higher ed student - 2%
Restaurants and gyms are not in the top 3, leaving them below 2%. Gyms were actually listed as 0.06%, but that probably isnt accurate since most have been closed.
All restaurant dining is usually listed around 1-2%. Making outside dining alone very small. Which is why so many find the forced shutdowns completely uneccesarry for small business, when they aren't the ones spreading the virus. In some cases you couldn't eat outside with a near-zero chance of spreading the virus, but no one was stopping you from having a birthdya party at your house.
then this data came out...still not comfortable, but the data shows it’s low risk. I guess we all draw our own lineshippiemom = goodness0 -
Hey, well, this is odd. Me again, after I said I would be gone I am back to drop another story about following the money (political science) during this pandemic, not the science.
Edited to Add.... This is a nice bi-partisan piece, something that should anger all of us.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/91307Op-Ed: Vivek Murthy's Multimillion Dollar Conflicts Are Cause for Concern
— The Surgeon General nominee will only treat corporate America's woes
Over the weekend, Dan Diamond for the Washington Post reported that Vivek Murthy, MD, nominated for Surgeon General and to help the Biden COVID-19 response, received 2.6 million dollars in pandemic consulting fees and speaking engagements since January 2020. Murthy received $400,000 from Carnival cruise lines for consulting, over $400,000 in cash and another $400,000 worth of stock from Airbnb, nearly $300,000 from Estee Lauder, and $600,000 from Netflix. The article notes, "most of Murthy's consulting work came after Biden effectively cinched the Democratic nomination in April 2020, after rival Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the race, and he was sometimes touted in speeches as a Biden adviser."What's the problem?
These payments are a serious conflict of interest, and an example of the swamp that Americans want to drain. These companies aren't paying exorbitant fees for advice or services provided. Sars-Cov-2 is a great threat, but no one has two million dollars of special advice. Most experts know that distancing, ventilation, hand hygiene, cleaning, and masking are key. As for Carnival cruise lines, my advice would be simple: don't run cruises. That advice is free, by the way.
If these payments cannot be for services rendered, what are they for? They are payments for influence. All of these companies have pending issues right now with the Biden transition and administration. For example, Carnival wants to reopen their cruise ships, so they want Federal exemptions, and attainable ventilation standards; Airbnb wants to use Murthy's name and title to assure customers it's safe to stay; Netflix has a dual interest: they want customers to purchase their services, making lockdowns good for business, but they simultaneously must produce shows, so exemptions for filming would be great; the list goes on.
Murthy is actively shaping decisions that impact these company's profits. If someone gave me $400,000, I would hate to anger them. Payments of this magnitude inherently compromise Murthy's ability to think only about what is best for the public. These conflicts should disqualify him from the post of Surgeon General.
What is financial conflict of interest?
If a company profits from certain activities but not others, and you take money from that company, a conflict has been created. If Pfizer pays a doctor $200,000 in speaking fees, that doctor has a conflict any time they talk about or prescribe Pfizer drugs or any other drug that could be used in conjunction with or in lieu of Pfizer drugs. If Pfizer gives the money to a cancer patient advocacy organization who then gives it to the researcher, the conflict still exists, particularly if the source of funding is obvious to all involved.
Murthy received over $150,000 for a book. To me, this isn't a conflict. For example, someone could write an argument for or against saturated fats. That person doesn't have a conflict when they say it a second time because they were free to choose initially. In contrast, if pharmaceutical company Celgene pays you, then the direction of bias was always towards promotion of their drugs.
Personal payments -- those that Netflix and Carnival gave directly to Murthy -- are more problematic than research payments, where a company gives money to a university to run a study.
Finally, small donors do not concern me. If a politician raises money five dollars at a time, as some do, that's not a conflict. Getting $5,000,000 from Chevron is. Philanthropic and non-profit research funding is a conflict if the funder has skin in the game -- for example, their finances are tied to a research conclusion. However, if they are not in that market, no conflict exists.
I am concerned when there is a revolving door between government and industry. Previously, Jeff Bien, now a Stanford fellow, and I studied the relationship between U.S. FDA reviewers and pharma. We found the single most common job for someone who left the FDA was pharma. Can someone regulate forcefully if they know they may someday work on the other side of the table?The silence is deafening
Conflict of interest is problematic whether the person is on your "team" or not. Yet, many have been silent about Murthy. Elizabeth Warren famously criticized then FDA commissioner nominee Dr. Scott Gottlieb for financial conflicts -- and I was sympathetic to that criticism -- but here, "Warren's office did not respond to repeated requests for comment about Murthy's financial disclosures."
In May of 2020, Buzzfeed broke the story that the former CEO of JetBlue donated $5,000 to help fund the Santa Clara seroprevalence study. This money was not paid to the researchers personally, but a pooled research fund. Many academics on Twitter were harshly critical of the conflict. In Murthy's case, the sum of money is 400 times larger, and was paid to the nominee directly. Yet, Twitter has been quiet.
Of course, Twitter leans towards democrats and Dr. Gottlieb and JetBlue are perceived as being from the other team, while Murthy is perceived as being on our side. Standards of conflict of interest should not be selectively applied based on political affiliation. Every person critical of Gottlieb who is not critical of Murthy is engaged in hypocrisy.
Conflict is a serious issue
I have a disclosure. I am the author of at least 14 peer reviewed papers exploring financial conflict of interest, and I think a lot about it. For example, I have lectured at major pharmaceutical companies and declined all payment, room and board, and travel. I even packed my own thermos of coffee and ate nothing. I did this because I believe -- and the evidence shows -- that these conflicts affect the writing, thinking, and practice of medicine. I also wanted to show junior folks that it is possible to avoid personal ties to biopharmaceutical companies, and interact productively with them.
Yet, the message of the surgeon general nominee is the opposite. The nomination says it's absolutely fine to accept lavish sums of money for "advice," and then accept a position that allows for decisions that might be interpreted as "paying them back." Young people have lost a role model.
What if he didn't know he was going back into public service?
Some ask if these payments are problematic if Murthy did not think he would return to government service. Or alternatively, shouldn't Murthy be paid for advice?
Again, it's disingenuous to pretend the size of these payments is for advice. Even without a future position, these companies likely believe Murthy has significant influence in the democratic machine. He may know the Biden administration's plans for occupational standards, and shape them. If he thinks favorably about these companies, he may influence policy to their benefit.
Pandemic profiteers
There is a broader ethical issue: profiteering from a pandemic is offensive. Americans have lost jobs in record number and many are scrambling just to get enough food. At the same time, some are enriching themselves by consulting for teachers' unions, state and local governments, and businesses. If you are making money from suggesting restrictions, you might not be in the best position to tell society when restrictions should end. This problem extends beyond Murthy.
Government is a swamp
There is an old saying that politicians go to Washington to do good but stay to do well. This reflects the growing American sentiment that government is a swamp. The folks who work to promote the public interest quickly join the companies they used to regulate. They regulate favorably while in office, and afterwards, help companies find the loopholes. Americans are frustrated by this phenomenon. Although the last administration claimed to want to drain the swamp, it enlarged it instead. The Surgeon General nominee's conflicts of interest make that swamp larger.
We must call out conflict of interest regardless of political party or whether or not we like Murthy. There are tens of thousands of public health experts who have received zero dollars for giving COVID-19 advice -- we must pick our advisors from this set. We need a political party willing to cut the ties of corporate interests from the work of public servants. The Surgeon General used to be "America's doctor," but now he appears to look more like Netflix's and Carnival's doctor. Faith in public institutions is at stake at Thursday's confirmation vote.
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cincybearcat said:mace1229 said:F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/andrew-cuomo-private-household-gatherings-driving-mew-york-state-spread-of-covid-19/71-ea875293-1ea0-446b-a9a2-eb3ae1fe6dbd
This is just New York, but its not that drastically different if you find nationwide data. I didnt post a source because I haven't heard anyone claim anything but household gatherings as the primary source, I thought it was common knowledge at this point that they were the primary spreader.
1. Private gatherings - 74%
2. Health care delivery - 8%
3. Higher ed student - 2%
Restaurants and gyms are not in the top 3, leaving them below 2%. Gyms were actually listed as 0.06%, but that probably isnt accurate since most have been closed.
All restaurant dining is usually listed around 1-2%. Making outside dining alone very small. Which is why so many find the forced shutdowns completely uneccesarry for small business, when they aren't the ones spreading the virus. In some cases you couldn't eat outside with a near-zero chance of spreading the virus, but no one was stopping you from having a birthdya party at your house.
then this data came out...still not comfortable, but the data shows it’s low risk. I guess we all draw our own lines
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mace1229 said:cincybearcat said:mace1229 said:F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/andrew-cuomo-private-household-gatherings-driving-mew-york-state-spread-of-covid-19/71-ea875293-1ea0-446b-a9a2-eb3ae1fe6dbd
This is just New York, but its not that drastically different if you find nationwide data. I didnt post a source because I haven't heard anyone claim anything but household gatherings as the primary source, I thought it was common knowledge at this point that they were the primary spreader.
1. Private gatherings - 74%
2. Health care delivery - 8%
3. Higher ed student - 2%
Restaurants and gyms are not in the top 3, leaving them below 2%. Gyms were actually listed as 0.06%, but that probably isnt accurate since most have been closed.
All restaurant dining is usually listed around 1-2%. Making outside dining alone very small. Which is why so many find the forced shutdowns completely uneccesarry for small business, when they aren't the ones spreading the virus. In some cases you couldn't eat outside with a near-zero chance of spreading the virus, but no one was stopping you from having a birthdya party at your house.
then this data came out...still not comfortable, but the data shows it’s low risk. I guess we all draw our own lines0 -
mace1229 said:cincybearcat said:mace1229 said:F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/andrew-cuomo-private-household-gatherings-driving-mew-york-state-spread-of-covid-19/71-ea875293-1ea0-446b-a9a2-eb3ae1fe6dbd
This is just New York, but its not that drastically different if you find nationwide data. I didnt post a source because I haven't heard anyone claim anything but household gatherings as the primary source, I thought it was common knowledge at this point that they were the primary spreader.
1. Private gatherings - 74%
2. Health care delivery - 8%
3. Higher ed student - 2%
Restaurants and gyms are not in the top 3, leaving them below 2%. Gyms were actually listed as 0.06%, but that probably isnt accurate since most have been closed.
All restaurant dining is usually listed around 1-2%. Making outside dining alone very small. Which is why so many find the forced shutdowns completely uneccesarry for small business, when they aren't the ones spreading the virus. In some cases you couldn't eat outside with a near-zero chance of spreading the virus, but no one was stopping you from having a birthdya party at your house.
then this data came out...still not comfortable, but the data shows it’s low risk. I guess we all draw our own lineshippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat said:mace1229 said:cincybearcat said:mace1229 said:F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:dignin said:cincybearcat said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:PJPOWER said:PJNB said:Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off.
Reading is HARD.
And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
maybe comprehension is hard?
Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.
Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".Do we have facts to support this? 1) That the vast majority catch COVID-10 from private gatherings?2) Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent(age) of all cases?It is stated as factual, was curious if we have reference sources on this?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/andrew-cuomo-private-household-gatherings-driving-mew-york-state-spread-of-covid-19/71-ea875293-1ea0-446b-a9a2-eb3ae1fe6dbd
This is just New York, but its not that drastically different if you find nationwide data. I didnt post a source because I haven't heard anyone claim anything but household gatherings as the primary source, I thought it was common knowledge at this point that they were the primary spreader.
1. Private gatherings - 74%
2. Health care delivery - 8%
3. Higher ed student - 2%
Restaurants and gyms are not in the top 3, leaving them below 2%. Gyms were actually listed as 0.06%, but that probably isnt accurate since most have been closed.
All restaurant dining is usually listed around 1-2%. Making outside dining alone very small. Which is why so many find the forced shutdowns completely uneccesarry for small business, when they aren't the ones spreading the virus. In some cases you couldn't eat outside with a near-zero chance of spreading the virus, but no one was stopping you from having a birthdya party at your house.
then this data came out...still not comfortable, but the data shows it’s low risk. I guess we all draw our own lines0 -
Just found out that my wife and I get our first Pfizer vaccination shot this Thursday!I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:Just found out that my wife and I get our first Pfizer vaccination shot this Thursday!
Good news!
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F Me In The Brain said:mcgruff10 said:Just found out that my wife and I get our first Pfizer vaccination shot this Thursday!
Good news!
I'm in NJ and my 82 year old Mom hasn't got her first shot. I signed her up about 2 weeks ago, after trying for 3 weeks or so. Seems to be no rhyme or reason how this is getting done? A friend of mine who's 81 , and retired, has already got both his shots. A friends-Friend , who is 66, and retired, got both of his shots too.0
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