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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited February 2021
    I couldn't find the exact number in the few moments I have left, but its been reported many times that an overwhelming majority of cases are from indoor private gatherings.  This has nothing to do with going to the zoo. 500,000 people aren't dead because people were enjoying outside and looking at giraffes. Something like 40% of deaths are in nursing homes, pretty sure they're not going to going to outdoor sporting events and the zoo. Anyone who choses to believe that being outside is dangerous is choosing to not follow the science and data.
    Outdoors is fine, as long as you still practice safety procedures. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mace1229 said:
    I couldn't find the exact number in the few moments I have left, but its been reported many times that an overwhelming majority of cases are from indoor private gatherings.  This has nothing to do with going to the zoo. 500,000 people aren't dead because people were enjoying outside and looking at giraffes. Something like 40% of deaths are in nursing homes, pretty sure they're not going to going to outdoor sporting events and the zoo. Anyone who choses to believe that being outside is dangerous is choosing to not follow the science and data.
    Outdoors is fine, as long as you still practice safety procedures. 
    Exactly what I thought...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2021
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    Show me data that says gyms and restaurants that enforce face masks and social distancing are causing huge infection numbers.  I’m not talking about bars, but restaurants where they have people spaced out.
    As far as I am aware, most spread was due to family and friends getting together in households for extended periods of time, not wearing masks, etc...
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    Show me data that says gyms and restaurants that enforce face masks and social distancing are causing huge infection numbers.  
    What capacity are you guys at in Texas? Nj just raised indoor dining to 35% capacity.  I m not sure about gyms.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    Show me data that says gyms and restaurants that enforce face masks and social distancing are causing huge infection numbers.  
    What capacity are you guys at in Texas? Nj just raised indoor dining to 35% capacity.  I m not sure about gyms.  
    In my city specifically they just started allowing them to operate at 75% capacity.  Not sure about gyms...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    how is this an example of "reading is hard"? outdoor zoos are not the same, obviously, as indoor gyms or dining. 

    maybe comprehension is hard?
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    how is this an example of "reading is hard"? outdoor zoos are not the same, obviously, as indoor gyms or dining. 

    maybe comprehension is hard?
    I guess you suffer from both then. Keep your chin up, with HARD work and perseverance I believe you will get a handle on all this complicated stuff. I'm rooting for you.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    Exactly. The majority died from being in a nursing home or hanging out in someone else’s house, not their own house, or zoos, or gyms, or restaurants. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    how is this an example of "reading is hard"? outdoor zoos are not the same, obviously, as indoor gyms or dining. 

    maybe comprehension is hard?
    I guess you suffer from both then. Keep your chin up, with HARD work and perseverance I believe you will get a handle on all this complicated stuff. I'm rooting for you.
    Yeah all those >55 year olds getting covid at the gym really tipped the scales.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    Why is everything black or white? Why is it stay home and do nothing or don’t even wear a mask at the store?

    Neither side listening to the medical professionals and science. Very sad.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    how is this an example of "reading is hard"? outdoor zoos are not the same, obviously, as indoor gyms or dining. 

    maybe comprehension is hard?
    I guess you suffer from both then. Keep your chin up, with HARD work and perseverance I believe you will get a handle on all this complicated stuff. I'm rooting for you.
    Yeah all those >55 year olds getting covid at the gym really tipped the scales.
    How did those old people get the virus? Or was it just old people getting it and spreading it to old people?

    Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.

    Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    cincybearcat said:
    Why is everything black or white? Why is it stay home and do nothing or don’t even wear a mask at the store?

    Neither side listening to the medical professionals and science. Very sad.
    Where did I say any of that? 

    And if you paid any attention you would know I'm a big proponent of kids in school during this pandemic. 

    But if anyone is going to take what the US has done during this pandemic as some kind of positive, I'm going to call that out. You guys blew it. The numbers don't lie. That was my point in my initial comment.


  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..

    Even though schools are not that safe.  They are just a babysitting service anymore...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    dignin said:
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    how is this an example of "reading is hard"? outdoor zoos are not the same, obviously, as indoor gyms or dining. 

    maybe comprehension is hard?
    I guess you suffer from both then. Keep your chin up, with HARD work and perseverance I believe you will get a handle on all this complicated stuff. I'm rooting for you.
    Yeah all those >55 year olds getting covid at the gym really tipped the scales.
    How did those old people get the virus? Or was it just old people getting it and spreading it to old people?

    Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.

    Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".
    None of this is saying it’s just the flu. Good god why are people so purposely obtuse.

    Yes restaurants have worried me all along. When distanced and decent ventilation they have proven to not be as dangerous as I thought.  Problem was people and places haven’t done that consistently. 

    I’ll agree that my statement didn’t include all the info so not a great statement.

     But the science shows masks and distancing makes places quite safe. So why are people ignoring that? 
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  • cincybearcat
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    Meltdown99 said:
    If the schools are safe to open...so are small business and gyms..

    Even though schools are not that safe.  They are just a babysitting service anymore...
    Can be and have proven to be pretty damn safe when the protocols are used. But you continue to ignore it 
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  • cincybearcat
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    edited February 2021
    dignin said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Why is everything black or white? Why is it stay home and do nothing or don’t even wear a mask at the store?

    Neither side listening to the medical professionals and science. Very sad.
    Where did I say any of that? 

    And if you paid any attention you would know I'm a big proponent of kids in school during this pandemic. 

    But if anyone is going to take what the US has done during this pandemic as some kind of positive, I'm going to call that out. You guys blew it. The numbers don't lie. That was my point in my initial comment.


    Black and white again huh? So if you think some things can be safe (because, you know, the science says it is), then you are saying the US did a good job? Hell no, We screwed the pooch. Mostly cause we ignored the need for masks and distancing by way too many people 
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  • mace1229
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    dignin said:
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    Back on some positive news. UK just had a major announcement and I hope NA follows suit with a similar positive announcement. This is how you roll out how to reopen. Not the trickles of negative news we have been getting the last couple of months even with vaccines rolling out and numbers dropping off. 

    May be an image of text that says COVID-1 RESPONSE SPRING The Roadmap steps Step 1 Figure 9 Step 1 STEP 1 8 March Schools and colleges are open students Practical Higher Education Courses Recreation or exercise outdoors household other person No household mixing indoors Wraparound childcare Stay at home Funerals 30 wakes and weddings 6 29 March Rule of6 two households outdoors household mixing indoors Outdoor sport leisure facilities Organised outdoor sport allowed children and adults Minimise travel No holidays Outdoor parent child groups up 5 parents

    May be an image of text that says Step 2 Figure 10 Step 2 STEP 2 At least five weeks after Step no earlier than April Indoor leisure including open individually within household groups Rule of6 or two households outdoors No household mixing indoors Outdoor attractions such theme parks and drive-in cinemas Libraries and community centres FEES Personal care premises All retail Outdoor hospitality All childrens activities indoor parent child groups up 15 parents Domestic overnight stays household only Self-contained accommodation household only Funerals 30 wakes weddings receptions 15 TICKET Minimise travel international holidays Event pilots begin

    May be an image of text that says Step 3 Figure 11 Step 3 STEP 3 At least five weeks after Step earlier than 17 May Indoor entertainment and attractions 30 person limit outdoors Rule of6 two households indoors subjecto review Domestic overnight stays Organised indoor adult sport Most significant life events 30 Remaining outdoor entertainment including performances Remaining accommodation Some large events except pilots capacity limits apply Indoor events 1000 50 Outdoor other events 4000 50 Outdoor seated events 10000 25 International travel subject review

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events 
    That’s interesting.  Many areas in the US have been allowing outdoor sports and places like zoos to be open for a while now.  We actually went to our local zoo over this past weekend.  Gyms, restaurants, etc have been open for a long time with face mask regulations.  Drive in cinemas never closed and was an easy outlet for entertainment during all of this...
    I guess all you guys skipped over this part of the comment. 

    Reading is HARD.

    And 500,000 people didn't die from hanging out in their house for a year.
    how is this an example of "reading is hard"? outdoor zoos are not the same, obviously, as indoor gyms or dining. 

    maybe comprehension is hard?
    I guess you suffer from both then. Keep your chin up, with HARD work and perseverance I believe you will get a handle on all this complicated stuff. I'm rooting for you.
    Yeah all those >55 year olds getting covid at the gym really tipped the scales.
    How did those old people get the virus? Or was it just old people getting it and spreading it to old people?

    Maybe people under 55 can't spread the virus? Must have missed that scientific paper.

    Judging by the responses here I can see why 500,000 have died in a year. Might as well just revert back to "it's just the flu".
    So are you not accepting the fact that the vast majority catch it from private gatherings, and not restaurants or outside activities? Businesses that follow social distancing and other guidelines only account for a small percent of all cases. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    So maybe we are just confusing a few things.
    1) The US really messed this up by not having national standards and not enforcing standards and generally individuals not following proper protocol.  

    2) Separate from that - there seem to be a lot of data to show how to operate in a safe manner in this environment.  

    My question remains - for those that were pissed off at trump and the US response to ignore science...do you know want to follow the science which talks about open schools, opening businesses, how outdoor activities are safe (distancing the key), etc now?  And if not, why?


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