The coronavirus

Meltdown99

We are doing GREAT in Canada with vaccines...2.4% of the population has received a dose and a whopping 1/2 % have received  2 doses...

We cracked the top 50 in the world on vaccines...

Our great PM is doing a bang up job getting us vaccines...lol

cincybearcat

Meltdown99 said:

Ontario plans to cancel March Break or postpone to stop the spread.  The schools here were closed 2 weeks before Xmas and just re-opened this week...

Gotta love government logic...close the schools to stop the spread, cancel March Break to stop the spread...my thinking is they are just fucking with the teachers...teachers and school staff need a break.  It’s not like teachers were not teaching...they were teaching online.

I work in schools.  Schools are not safe.  27 kids piled into classrooms that were meant for 20 is not SAFE.

The only reason they push to keep schools open is to continue the baby sitter services that parents have become dependent upon.
 

If schools are open, then small business can operate...

I was listening to Morning Joe today.  I hadn't verified but most health officials say that kids should be in school now.

As I have said all along, my daughter is in person learning in school since august.  <2% of positive cases of kids have been due to in school transmission.  The protocols are working.  And in fact, where they had in school transmission it was a special needs class where masks weren't required and it was early on.  

HughFreakingDillon

My grade 6er has been in full time school all year. my grade 9er is half days. confirmed transmission in schools is super low. and the benefits far outweigh the risks. to call it babysitting is an insult to teachers. 

Meltdown99

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ontario plans to cancel March Break or postpone to stop the spread.  The schools here were closed 2 weeks before Xmas and just re-opened this week...

Gotta love government logic...close the schools to stop the spread, cancel March Break to stop the spread...my thinking is they are just fucking with the teachers...teachers and school staff need a break.  It’s not like teachers were not teaching...they were teaching online.

I work in schools.  Schools are not safe.  27 kids piled into classrooms that were meant for 20 is not SAFE.

The only reason they push to keep schools open is to continue the baby sitter services that parents have become dependent upon.
 

If schools are open, then small business can operate...

I was listening to Morning Joe today.  I hadn't verified but most health officials say that kids should be in school now.

As I have said all along, my daughter is in person learning in school since august.  <2% of positive cases of kids have been due to in school transmission.  The protocols are working.  And in fact, where they had in school transmission it was a special needs class where masks weren't required and it was early on.  

Give me a break.  So it’s all right to put school staff at risk?  Schooling is a big part of society, but it also can be done much safer online...and these kids will survive.   If my grandfather (ww1) and uncles can go off to war at 18 and then lead very productive lives?  Are these the same health officials that keep Big box stores open, but advise to close small business?  Are these the same health officials who sat with their thumb up their ass for the last 20 years while millions have died or become addicted to opioids?  Why did they not speak up?  We are raising a generation of pussies...

a small business can manage Covid rules better than big box stores...and it’s not even close.

I can’t go out for dinner with my Dad...but 27 kids eating in a class meant for 20...lol

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

My grade 6er has been in full time school all year. my grade 9er is half days. confirmed transmission in schools is super low. and the benefits far outweigh the risks. to call it babysitting is an insult to teachers. 

Agree.  Though I hope he was simply being derogatory towards the parents with that remark.

I'll tell you this, my daughter being able to be in school safely during this pandemic has been amazing for her.  She has maintained and built social relationships and had the ever important face to face (eye to eye?) instructor time.  It has taught her to respect risks, plan for them and follow-through (mask usage, distancing, etc) without needing to just be scared.  I'm not always a fan of the schools, but my local one has earned itself a ton of leeway with me moving forward.  How they have handled it and what it has taught the kids that go there is a tremendous value.

lastexitlondon

My mum  has had the Pfizer  first dose.
67 years old. So uk has already gone on to the 5th group of people a week ahead of schedule.  I must say its rolling  out. 13.5 million in a country  of 52 million  people  of vaccine  age. 
Lots of volunteers . I think 50% of all the  people at the sites are volunteers.  Without  them it is not at all possible!

dankind

My children have been hybrid (two half-days in school/other half remote after lunch at home, and three full days remote) since October, and while they are doing just fine academically, they are coming apart at the seams as far as their mental/behavioral health goes.

I don't think that they are "pussies."

dignin

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

My grade 6er has been in full time school all year. my grade 9er is half days. confirmed transmission in schools is super low. and the benefits far outweigh the risks. to call it babysitting is an insult to teachers. 

Agree.  Though I hope he was simply being derogatory towards the parents with that remark.

I'll tell you this, my daughter being able to be in school safely during this pandemic has been amazing for her.  She has maintained and built social relationships and had the ever important face to face (eye to eye?) instructor time.  It has taught her to respect risks, plan for them and follow-through (mask usage, distancing, etc) without needing to just be scared.  I'm not always a fan of the schools, but my local one has earned itself a ton of leeway with me moving forward.  How they have handled it and what it has taught the kids that go there is a tremendous value.

100%

lastexitlondon

They have said on  bbc news that using dextramethasone and a rheumatoid arthritis  drug together  on the  sickest patients  cuts deaths  in half. Thats good news for once.

Meltdown99

lastexitlondon said:I

They have said on  bbc news that using dextramethasone and a rheumatoid arthritis  drug together  on the  sickest patients  cuts deaths  in half. Thats good news for once.

Yes, that is very good news...

Meltdown99

Do these health official know what the health of folks and children will be like years down the road if they are asymptomatic?  Of course they don’t.   Has any of these politicians and health officials ever been in an elementary school when schools on...

The schools I work in are on the older side mostly...these classrooms were not meant to house 27 kids in good times...but not with this virus.

I realize some of you might have great modern schools...but that’s not the case here in the schools I work.

HughFreakingDillon

dankind said:

My children have been hybrid (two half-days in school/other half remote after lunch at home, and three full days remote) since October, and while they are doing just fine academically, they are coming apart at the seams as far as their mental/behavioral health goes.

I don't think that they are "pussies."

Last spring after in person learning was cancelled for the remainder of the school year, my oldest (grade 8 then) was in tears and very depressed a lot of the time. she missed being with her friends at school. the social element of school is just as big if not bigger than the academic portion is for some. she excels at school with very little effort, in person or not. but she really needs that social element as well. and i think that's true for many. 

and i agree with the last statement. 

from my conversations with teachers, they are happiest being at the school as long as the proper protocols are in place. which, in my region, they are. 

Meltdown99

In Ontario the upgraded filtration system consist of portable units with hepa filters that never get changed...

But the the politicians and health fail to mention this?

and these units even with proper filter change are not meant for classrooms with 27 kids.

cincybearcat

Meltdown99 said:

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ontario plans to cancel March Break or postpone to stop the spread.  The schools here were closed 2 weeks before Xmas and just re-opened this week...

Gotta love government logic...close the schools to stop the spread, cancel March Break to stop the spread...my thinking is they are just fucking with the teachers...teachers and school staff need a break.  It’s not like teachers were not teaching...they were teaching online.

I work in schools.  Schools are not safe.  27 kids piled into classrooms that were meant for 20 is not SAFE.

The only reason they push to keep schools open is to continue the baby sitter services that parents have become dependent upon.
 

If schools are open, then small business can operate...

I was listening to Morning Joe today.  I hadn't verified but most health officials say that kids should be in school now.

As I have said all along, my daughter is in person learning in school since august.  <2% of positive cases of kids have been due to in school transmission.  The protocols are working.  And in fact, where they had in school transmission it was a special needs class where masks weren't required and it was early on.  

Give me a break.  So it’s all right to put school staff at risk?  Schooling is a big part of society, but it also can be done much safer online...and these kids will survive.   If my grandfather (ww1) and uncles can go off to war at 18 and then lead very productive lives?  Are these the same health officials that keep Big box stores open, but advise to close small business?  Are these the same health officials who sat with their thumb up their ass for the last 20 years while millions have died or become addicted to opioids?  Why did they not speak up?  We are raising a generation of pussies...

a small business can manage Covid rules better than big box stores...and it’s not even close.

I can’t go out for dinner with my Dad...but 27 kids eating in a class meant for 20...lol

School staff at risk?  NO what I'm saying is school staff are not getting it at school for the most part.

Why are schools different than all the shit your order from amazon...or the groceries you get delivered to protect yourself.  Plenty of operations going forward with protocols in place and avoiding spread.

cincybearcat

dankind said:

My children have been hybrid (two half-days in school/other half remote after lunch at home, and three full days remote) since October, and while they are doing just fine academically, they are coming apart at the seams as far as their mental/behavioral health goes.

I don't think that they are "pussies."

Did someone say that?  Use that term?

Bentleyspop

Texas Texas Texas...

The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired.
 https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-had-used-used-fired-131136912.html

Spunkie

cincybearcat said:

dankind said:

My children have been hybrid (two half-days in school/other half remote after lunch at home, and three full days remote) since October, and while they are doing just fine academically, they are coming apart at the seams as far as their mental/behavioral health goes.

I don't think that they are "pussies."

Did someone say that?  Use that term?

Yup.

I agree with you, cincy, Dk, and hu.

I put mine in a school that didn't even spend money on a portable HEPA air purifier. They didn't lessen class sizes. They don't have to wear masks. All they did was face desks forward (not enough space to separate them so most have elbow buddies) and grouped them in cohorts under 60 people so we could contact trace when needed. 

Her school has gotten lucky and no cases so far. 

But I get what ya mean about  - why allow this but not that, roosterdude! Mind you, I'm in my fourth month of not being allowed any social visits, indoors or out, outside of my household.

oftenreading

A few thoughts on the points made above.

First, it's a pandemic, so nothing is no risk; it's a matter of (1) doing what we can to mitigate risk, and (2) balancing competing risks. Online school has clear and measurable risks. So far right across Canada the school system has done a good job and has kept kids safely in school, such that they reap the benefits of school while reducing - not eliminating - risks due to covid.

Second, whether or not our grandparents went to war at 18+ is both irrelevant to the discussion of whether kids between the ages of 5 and 18 should be in school, and also a pretty low bar. It's odd that anyone would argue that those who survived going to war ended up in tip-top mental and physical health.

Third, not clear on the relevance of restaurants to schools, but if we were voting I'd vote for schools to remain open and restaurants to close, especially since we have pretty good data as to risk of viral transmission in restaurants. 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

dankind said:

My children have been hybrid (two half-days in school/other half remote after lunch at home, and three full days remote) since October, and while they are doing just fine academically, they are coming apart at the seams as far as their mental/behavioral health goes.

I don't think that they are "pussies."

Did someone say that?  Use that term?

responding to you, actually. 

mace1229

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ontario plans to cancel March Break or postpone to stop the spread.  The schools here were closed 2 weeks before Xmas and just re-opened this week...

Gotta love government logic...close the schools to stop the spread, cancel March Break to stop the spread...my thinking is they are just fucking with the teachers...teachers and school staff need a break.  It’s not like teachers were not teaching...they were teaching online.

I work in schools.  Schools are not safe.  27 kids piled into classrooms that were meant for 20 is not SAFE.

The only reason they push to keep schools open is to continue the baby sitter services that parents have become dependent upon.
 

If schools are open, then small business can operate...

I was listening to Morning Joe today.  I hadn't verified but most health officials say that kids should be in school now.

As I have said all along, my daughter is in person learning in school since august.  <2% of positive cases of kids have been due to in school transmission.  The protocols are working.  And in fact, where they had in school transmission it was a special needs class where masks weren't required and it was early on.  

I think it depends on a lot of factors people outside the building never see. We've been hybrid most of the year, we went full remote for about 4 or 5 weeks from Thanksgiving - January. But we've had days without any security because they are all quarantined, days without counselors and office staff, without admin, etc because they are all quarantined. We're missing about 10-20% of our students because they are quarantined. So the measures we take to make this in person happen do take a toll. 
And I think just now people are really realizing what crowded schools do and how nice low class sizes are. That has been ignored for years. I've been at schools where classes were in the 40s, I even had a class of 56 kids one year, in a room built for about 32. We've let education get so out of control with ventilation, class sizes, old buildings, overcrowded lunch rooms and everything else. We start school in early August and many of our older schools still don't have AC. If I was returning to an outdated building with 40 kids, I'd probably be kicking up a fuss about it too.  It takes a pandemic for the state and federal government to care.