The coronavirus

Poncier

That pizza balloon is awesome.

JeBurkhardt

I work at a State correctional facility. We got notice that vaccines will be offered at our facility in the first or second week of January. 

cutz

static111 said:

Bernie filibustering to try to get Americans $2000 relief checks.  Says senate won’t go home and military budget won’t be passed until there is a vote.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1343974983291318278

static111

cutz said:

static111 said:

Bernie filibustering to try to get Americans $2000 relief checks.  Says senate won’t go home and military budget won’t be passed until there is a vote.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1343974983291318278

Bernie and Markey are still planning on holding up the defense bill
until the $2000 is brought to the floor for a vote.  If it comes to the floor I have a feeling a lot of the No votes will not stay in office their next election cycle.  If it doesn’t come to the floor it looks bad for the Rs in Georgia.

Bentleyspop

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

lastexitlondon

Oxford astrazeneca is now approved.  Game changer . Non profit

HughFreakingDillon

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

Bentleyspop

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

Idiocy?
Stupidity?
Ignorance?
Fear?
E. All of the above

F Me In The Brain

They (CDC) now say it can help the person wearing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

The relationship between source control and personal protection is likely complementary and possibly synergistic14, so that individual benefit increases with increasing community mask use.

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism could be dismissed as partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask with contracting the disease, which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

Aren't there studies that show masks are very effective when both parties are wearing them? 

IDK, according to a report I just read, the guy held *some* maskless rallies / campaign events... I think the criticism of him for not wearing a mask is warranted. Set the example for everyone. 

F Me In The Brain

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask with contracting the disease, which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

That is not what the CDC now says.

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask with contracting the disease, which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

I'd guess it's an indicator that he also attends events with others not wearing masks as well. Since he's going to political events, etc. maskless, I'd have to guess masklessness is part of the culture and that the masklessness of others could be what got him. (And then he, of course, spread it after he contracted it.).  I suppose that, as it's written, it can be inferred that we're blaming his not wearing a mask directly even though it's probably a bit more indirect and more of an indicator of his general attitude and behavior.

Additionally I would not say that it "contradicts the science." The mask, while primarily protecting others, also can help with the wearer...particularly when both parties are wearing them. Not wearing a mask increased his own risk, though I'd suspect that being around other maskless people at indoor crowded events was the lion's share of his increased risk.

I'd also add that there's probably hesitancy to come down on a guy that just died but he almost certainly spread the disease after contraction and to many more people than he would have had he been wearing a mask. That's a part of the story, even if people are hesitant to talk about it.  To me it's a very simple concept; if everyone acts like they could have it, we all reduce the risk for each other. But that seems to be a bit to nuanced for people who "don't feel sick."

HughFreakingDillon

F Me In The Brain said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask with contracting the disease, which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

That is not what the CDC now says.

well that's good to know. I don't know why I hadn't heard that yet. 

OnWis97

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

Aren't there studies that show masks are very effective when both parties are wearing them? 

IDK, according to a report I just read, the guy held *some* maskless rallies / campaign events... I think the criticism of him for not wearing a mask is warranted. Set the example for everyone. 

I can't vouch for this graphic, but I've seen several like it. 

https://media.gvwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/30123631/Exposure-Masking-Infographic_FNL-A.jpg

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

Aren't there studies that show masks are very effective when both parties are wearing them? 

IDK, according to a report I just read, the guy held *some* maskless rallies / campaign events... I think the criticism of him for not wearing a mask is warranted. Set the example for everyone. 

i know what the criticism should be, which is what you wrote, but that's not the criticism i've seen. 

however, I gotta get the fuck off twitter. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

Aren't there studies that show masks are very effective when both parties are wearing them? 

IDK, according to a report I just read, the guy held *some* maskless rallies / campaign events... I think the criticism of him for not wearing a mask is warranted. Set the example for everyone. 

i know what the criticism should be, which is what you wrote, but that's not the criticism i've seen. 

however, I gotta get the fuck off twitter. 

Gotcha... & yeah, Twitter's a cesspool - I've done well in recent months moderating my TL & ignoring bs, but it's hard. 

HughFreakingDillon

I'll post this here and in the GOP thread. I gotta say, I agree with pretty much everything Republican Senator Pat Toomey says here:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/29/trump-death-wish-tweet-republicans-stimulus-lead-vpx.cnn

Poncier

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow dead from COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113.html

k, been reading about this on regular media and social media. hear me out: I keep seeing people posting about how this guy never wore a mask....but we are consistently told that wearing a mask doesn't help the wearer, it protects those around the wearer, so why, when someone on the right dies or gets sick from covid, do people keep harping on the no mask thing as the reason these people got covid?

I started a thread on this, as I found the circumstances worth discussing... 41YO w/ no underlying health conditions... it's scary. 

Regarding the mask thing, a lot of the criticism is partisan bullshit, sure; but it's not entirely unfair either considering how much the GOP has politicized mask wearing.

Not wearing a mask is a sign of ignorance or simply not giving a f about anyone else, and one could argue that politicians who behave this way are postponing the country's recovery from the pandemic / making it more difficult... I'm surprised you don't understand the anger, TBH. 

but that's not what I'm talking about. Sure, it annoys the fuck out of me when people don't wear masks. and yes the right has politicized the hell out of it, which disgusts me. 

but if the mask has little to no bearing on whether someone contracts the disease (as opposed to spreading it), people are conflating him not wearing a mask with contracting the disease, which contradicts the science, which I thought we on the left were supposed to be all about?

One possibility: He didn't wear one and the people at his rallies/fundraisers etc. didn't wear them, following his lead. So possible that one of those folks who chose not to wear one following his lead gave it to him.