The coronavirus

Halifax2TheMax

Speaking of which, do you think A, that any Tricky Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat family members or administration officials listen to or have ever been to a PJ concert or B, anyone of them listen to music, of any genre/group, etc.?

Spiritual_Chaos

Poncier said:

cutz said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-admits-coronavirus-strategy-underestimated-strenght-virus-lofven-stefan-2020-12

Sweden's prime minister admits the country got its coronavirus strategy wrong

Sweden's prime minister has admitted that the country misjudged its response to the second coronavirus surge, as intensive-care units in the capital Stockholm become overwhelmed with patients.

Sweden recorded 8,088 deaths from all causes last month, the country's statistics agency announced on Monday. That was the country's second-highest number of monthly deaths on record, surpassed only by the country's worst month of the 1918 influenza pandemic.

"I think that most people in the profession didn't see such a wave in front of them — they talked about different clusters," Prime Minister Stefan Lofven told the newspaper Aftonbladet.

"It was not like we were not prepared for something to happen again, but no one could predict that it would be with this strength," he said.

"It is proof that it is a virus that we did not know about before and that behaves in a way many would not have thought."

Lofven acknowledged the government had made mistakes.

"Some conclusions about where we could have been better have already been drawn," he said. "Take, for example, elderly care. There we need to do more, and there we increase in the next budget."

The prime minister's interview came as an independent report into Sweden's pandemic response by scientists and crisis-management experts in the country concluded that his government had failed to sufficiently protect the country's older population.

The commission said the Swedish government and its predecessors were ultimately to blame for the failure to protect older people, The Guardian reported.

Lofven's government is gradually shifting away from its resistance to lockdown restrictions and has already imposed a ban on the sale of alcohol after 10 p.m. and has prohibited public gatherings of more than eight people.

High schools have also been closed for the rest of the term, and the government is drafting emergency legislation that could allow the imposition of lockdowns and business closings, The New York Times reports.

"We need a few weeks of lockdown to get the numbers down," Tove Fall, a professor in molecular epidemiology at Sweden's Uppsala University, told The Times.

"Other countries are taking much higher precautions at lower transmission levels."

The shift toward a more restrictive approach comes after the country's predictions that it would avoid a so-called second wave of the virus were proved wrong.

Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist behind Sweden's no-lockdown approach, said earlier this year that opting against a strict lockdown would help Sweden build up its population's immunity and lessen the chances of a fall or winter surge in cases.

Sweden, however, has since been hit by a much larger resurgence of the virus than its neighbors.

Sweden had recorded 7,667 deaths as a result of the coronavirus as of Wednesday morning, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, far more than any of its neighbors.

Hospitals in Sweden's cities are now struggling to cope with a sharp rise in the number of new cases, with officials in its capital, Stockholm, warning that intensive-care units were already beyond capacity.

"We are far beyond 100% of capacity in intensive care. We are approaching almost double the number of available spaces," Bjorn Eriksson, a regional health director in Stockholm, said on Tuesday, The Times reported.

As a result, Sweden's neighbors, which have all imposed much stricter restrictions on their populations, this week offered emergency medical assistance to the country to help it cope with the surge in hospitalizations.

Chaos

Spiritual_Chaos

King Carl XVI Gustaf describes 2020 as a terrible year and says that Sweden's attempt to save lives during the pandemic has failed.

- I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died and it is terrible, he says in SVT's "The year with the royal family".

He further says that "the Swedish people have suffered enormously in difficult conditions" and that he thinks of all those who have not been able to say goodbye to their loved ones.

F Me In The Brain

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i don't trust nor distrust them. they are regular people to me. just a different job with wildly different social events. except when you have 8 million followers to my 97, you tend to have more ears than i do. 

feigned altruism? does living in LA cause that level of cynicism? (serious question)

I lived in LA a good chunk of my life. It’s funny, people who are are into it can spot celebrities often. I couldn’t care less, most of the time when I was with friends and they pointed someone out I didn’t even know who it was. I generally stayed away from those hot spots because everything is overpriced, but when I was in my 20s that’s where coworkers and friends want to go for happy hour.
But what makes me mad is how much money they make, and really shows our level of worship. Not just Hollywood, but sports too. NFL minimum is $600,000. Even  practice squad makes $150-$200,000 for 17 weeks of practice. When you think about it and the best teacher in the country who literally turns lives around makes about 1/10 what the worst NFL player in the country makes who never even made it off the bench. To me that shows where our priorities are and our level of worship on sports and Hollywood. Like anyone would say “no thanks, I’ll go back to working at Best Buy” if the standard for salaries, TV or sports, were 1/5 what they are now. They’d still very well off financially.

Glad you are not a math teacher.  

Entertainers get paid what the market will bear

Not their problem we underpay teachers in many parts of the country.

Weston1283

Poncier said:

lastexitlondon said:

Weston1283 said:

At the 14 hour mark I’m getting some pretty bad chills and a mild temperature but no other symptoms.  Felt good most of the day though.  

I’m 28, active and healthy, no medications or medical conditions 

This is a totally normal immune response and not unexpected.  If anything, it’s proving to me that I’d never want to get the actual virus itself and reaffirming my decision to get vaccinated 

How did you get the vaccine. Are you a health care worker?

Either that or a 4 digit 10 club number.

Hahah I wish that was the case

but yes I’m a resident at a hospital outside of Boston

24 hour update, the chills went away after about 4 hours, but still having a good amount of fatigue today.  Kind of the classic “feels like you got hit by a truck” statement.

oftenreading

Weston1283 said:

Poncier said:

lastexitlondon said:

Weston1283 said:

At the 14 hour mark I’m getting some pretty bad chills and a mild temperature but no other symptoms.  Felt good most of the day though.  

I’m 28, active and healthy, no medications or medical conditions 

This is a totally normal immune response and not unexpected.  If anything, it’s proving to me that I’d never want to get the actual virus itself and reaffirming my decision to get vaccinated 

How did you get the vaccine. Are you a health care worker?

Either that or a 4 digit 10 club number.

Hahah I wish that was the case

but yes I’m a resident at a hospital outside of Boston

24 hour update, the chills went away after about 4 hours, but still having a good amount of fatigue today.  Kind of the classic “feels like you got hit by a truck” statement.

I hope you either have a day off today, or a light day at work. Residency is tough. Hoping you're not on call today! 

Thanks for the updates. 

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think what what dreams is suggesting is a bad idea. no, most of US don't follow what celebrities do, but a pretty significant section of the globe actually does. the more people with massive platforms show that they are getting it, that it's trust worthy, the better. politicians, famous scholars, athletes, musicians; all of em. 

and especially: REPUBLICANS

although, people will still come up with "yeah, i bet they just got an injection of saline", but I think it would still be a net positive. 

I always heard celebrities aren't looked on as highly in other countries? That's why a lot will live in Europe or move back to Australia or whatever, because they are more normal there and not semi-gods that people here treat them like. 
Either way, the fact anyone does something, good or bad, because a celebrity told them to and not because its the smart thing to do, is still an idiot. I like my idea of creating penalties for not following through with the second vaccine and charging them for the first if they don't get the full treatment. 

If an idiot gets the vaccine because a celebrity told them too, isn't that still a good thing though? I mean... we're all in agreement that everyone should get vaccinated, right? 

Again, I fail to see the problem with celebrities promoting the vaccine. 

Idiots live among us, there's no getting around that fact... just look at all the people who think the election was rigged. 

Yes I agree we should be vaccinated and someone getting it because a celebrity told them is still a good thing.
I just think more people are tired of listening to celebrities and seeing their out of touch comments than there are people who are on the fence but because Kim Kardashian says to do it finally gets pushed to getting one. 

At the end of the day I doubt it makes a big difference either way, so I prefer to stop worshiping celebrities and giving them the spotlight. We spend way too much money and focus on people who aren’t really that important to our existence.

Yeah, celebrities & Hollywood = bad, got it. 

300k+ dead Americans and CA reporting 50k+ new cases yesterday is also bad. 

Celebrities getting vaccinated & potentially motivating some fans to do the same = good

I get the disdain for celebrities, and share in it. I can also set it aside and accept that celebrities getting publicly vaccinated is a good thing, regardless of their motivation. I fail to see the problem here and think complaints about it are incredibly short sighted. 

hedonist

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think what what dreams is suggesting is a bad idea. no, most of US don't follow what celebrities do, but a pretty significant section of the globe actually does. the more people with massive platforms show that they are getting it, that it's trust worthy, the better. politicians, famous scholars, athletes, musicians; all of em. 

and especially: REPUBLICANS

although, people will still come up with "yeah, i bet they just got an injection of saline", but I think it would still be a net positive. 

I always heard celebrities aren't looked on as highly in other countries? That's why a lot will live in Europe or move back to Australia or whatever, because they are more normal there and not semi-gods that people here treat them like. 
Either way, the fact anyone does something, good or bad, because a celebrity told them to and not because its the smart thing to do, is still an idiot. I like my idea of creating penalties for not following through with the second vaccine and charging them for the first if they don't get the full treatment. 

If an idiot gets the vaccine because a celebrity told them too, isn't that still a good thing though? I mean... we're all in agreement that everyone should get vaccinated, right? 

Again, I fail to see the problem with celebrities promoting the vaccine. 

Idiots live among us, there's no getting around that fact... just look at all the people who think the election was rigged. 

Yes I agree we should be vaccinated and someone getting it because a celebrity told them is still a good thing.
I just think more people are tired of listening to celebrities and seeing their out of touch comments than there are people who are on the fence but because Kim Kardashian says to do it finally gets pushed to getting one. 

At the end of the day I doubt it makes a big difference either way, so I prefer to stop worshiping celebrities and giving them the spotlight. We spend way too much money and focus on people who aren’t really that important to our existence.

Yeah, celebrities & Hollywood = bad, got it. 

300k+ dead Americans and CA reporting 50k+ new cases yesterday is also bad. 

Celebrities getting vaccinated & potentially motivating some fans to do the same = good

I get the disdain for celebrities, and share in it. I can also set it aside and accept that celebrities getting publicly vaccinated is a good thing, regardless of their motivation. I fail to see the problem here and think complaints about it are incredibly short sighted. 

You know, I have to change my stance and agree with you (not that I don’t wish effective vaccinations for ALL), in that in this case, the ends do justify the means. 

I just abhor the means...the meaners?

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i don't trust nor distrust them. they are regular people to me. just a different job with wildly different social events. except when you have 8 million followers to my 97, you tend to have more ears than i do. 

feigned altruism? does living in LA cause that level of cynicism? (serious question)

I lived in LA a good chunk of my life. It’s funny, people who are are into it can spot celebrities often. I couldn’t care less, most of the time when I was with friends and they pointed someone out I didn’t even know who it was. I generally stayed away from those hot spots because everything is overpriced, but when I was in my 20s that’s where coworkers and friends want to go for happy hour.
But what makes me mad is how much money they make, and really shows our level of worship. Not just Hollywood, but sports too. NFL minimum is $600,000. Even  practice squad makes $150-$200,000 for 17 weeks of practice. When you think about it and the best teacher in the country who literally turns lives around makes about 1/10 what the worst NFL player in the country makes who never even made it off the bench. To me that shows where our priorities are and our level of worship on sports and Hollywood. Like anyone would say “no thanks, I’ll go back to working at Best Buy” if the standard for salaries, TV or sports, were 1/5 what they are now. They’d still very well off financially.

i get what you are saying. but the movie and sports industry owners make a shit ton just by the nature of their business. should those "playing" for the camera not get a piece of that pie? for decades they didn't. 

funny you mention the NFL. that's why the CFL has such difficulty attracting american talent. top salaries for starting QB's in the CFL are often just barely comparable to players who never see a play. the only ones that jump ship are the ones that are aware they'll never see a down and just want to play. 

I can't imagine giving up $300K US to do nothing to make $60K CDN to ruin your body. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Attacking celebrities on the internet, let me guess - right wingers?

gimmesometruth27

Weston1283 said:

Poncier said:

lastexitlondon said:

Weston1283 said:

At the 14 hour mark I’m getting some pretty bad chills and a mild temperature but no other symptoms.  Felt good most of the day though.  

I’m 28, active and healthy, no medications or medical conditions 

This is a totally normal immune response and not unexpected.  If anything, it’s proving to me that I’d never want to get the actual virus itself and reaffirming my decision to get vaccinated 

How did you get the vaccine. Are you a health care worker?

Either that or a 4 digit 10 club number.

Hahah I wish that was the case

but yes I’m a resident at a hospital outside of Boston

24 hour update, the chills went away after about 4 hours, but still having a good amount of fatigue today.  Kind of the classic “feels like you got hit by a truck” statement.

thanks for the updates. i am in surgery sales so in and out of a lot of ORs and surgery centers. no word on when i can potentially get it. it is good to know some things we can expect to experience. a friend of mine was vaccinated yesterday. she was advised to take the day after vaccination off of work. hopefully she is doing ok.

hope you feel better soon!

Poncier

Weston1283 said:

Poncier said:

lastexitlondon said:

Weston1283 said:

At the 14 hour mark I’m getting some pretty bad chills and a mild temperature but no other symptoms.  Felt good most of the day though.  

I’m 28, active and healthy, no medications or medical conditions 

This is a totally normal immune response and not unexpected.  If anything, it’s proving to me that I’d never want to get the actual virus itself and reaffirming my decision to get vaccinated 

How did you get the vaccine. Are you a health care worker?

Either that or a 4 digit 10 club number.

Hahah I wish that was the case

but yes I’m a resident at a hospital outside of Boston

24 hour update, the chills went away after about 4 hours, but still having a good amount of fatigue today.  Kind of the classic “feels like you got hit by a truck” statement.

Hope you don't have to shovel today.
Feel better.

hedonist

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Attacking celebrities on the internet, let me guess - right wingers?

Oh please. Stop trying to fan imaginary flames. 

GlowGirl

Weston1283 said:

Poncier said:

lastexitlondon said:

Weston1283 said:

At the 14 hour mark I’m getting some pretty bad chills and a mild temperature but no other symptoms.  Felt good most of the day though.  

I’m 28, active and healthy, no medications or medical conditions 

This is a totally normal immune response and not unexpected.  If anything, it’s proving to me that I’d never want to get the actual virus itself and reaffirming my decision to get vaccinated 

How did you get the vaccine. Are you a health care worker?

Either that or a 4 digit 10 club number.

Hahah I wish that was the case

but yes I’m a resident at a hospital outside of Boston

24 hour update, the chills went away after about 4 hours, but still having a good amount of fatigue today.  Kind of the classic “feels like you got hit by a truck” statement.

I am glad you are feeling better. I assume you didn't have Covid in the past. I wonder what the side effects of the vaccine will be for those of us who have already had a mild case of Covid. For example, I had a mild case in March with fatigue and loss of smell and taste. I did not have a fever or chills, or a cough. I wonder if the vaccine will have different side effects (or none at all) for those who already have antibodies. Does anyone know anything about this?

mace1229

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i don't trust nor distrust them. they are regular people to me. just a different job with wildly different social events. except when you have 8 million followers to my 97, you tend to have more ears than i do. 

feigned altruism? does living in LA cause that level of cynicism? (serious question)

I lived in LA a good chunk of my life. It’s funny, people who are are into it can spot celebrities often. I couldn’t care less, most of the time when I was with friends and they pointed someone out I didn’t even know who it was. I generally stayed away from those hot spots because everything is overpriced, but when I was in my 20s that’s where coworkers and friends want to go for happy hour.
But what makes me mad is how much money they make, and really shows our level of worship. Not just Hollywood, but sports too. NFL minimum is $600,000. Even  practice squad makes $150-$200,000 for 17 weeks of practice. When you think about it and the best teacher in the country who literally turns lives around makes about 1/10 what the worst NFL player in the country makes who never even made it off the bench. To me that shows where our priorities are and our level of worship on sports and Hollywood. Like anyone would say “no thanks, I’ll go back to working at Best Buy” if the standard for salaries, TV or sports, were 1/5 what they are now. They’d still very well off financially.

Glad you are not a math teacher.  

Entertainers get paid what the market will bear

Not their problem we underpay teachers in many parts of the country.

What does the market have to do with teaching math?
Obviously they get paid what the market allows, never said it didn't. The market allows it because people are willing to pay $100 a ticket and $12 a beer to watch an NFL game, so the owners can afford to pay the worst player in the league 600k. Not sure what any of that has to do with teaching math. If anything, teaching economics, but I didn't dispute any of that. It just shows the level of devotion we have. Same applies with TV and movies. 40 years ago movie stars and athletes didn't make anything close compared to what they do today, even considering inflation. 

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think what what dreams is suggesting is a bad idea. no, most of US don't follow what celebrities do, but a pretty significant section of the globe actually does. the more people with massive platforms show that they are getting it, that it's trust worthy, the better. politicians, famous scholars, athletes, musicians; all of em. 

and especially: REPUBLICANS

although, people will still come up with "yeah, i bet they just got an injection of saline", but I think it would still be a net positive. 

I always heard celebrities aren't looked on as highly in other countries? That's why a lot will live in Europe or move back to Australia or whatever, because they are more normal there and not semi-gods that people here treat them like. 
Either way, the fact anyone does something, good or bad, because a celebrity told them to and not because its the smart thing to do, is still an idiot. I like my idea of creating penalties for not following through with the second vaccine and charging them for the first if they don't get the full treatment. 

If an idiot gets the vaccine because a celebrity told them too, isn't that still a good thing though? I mean... we're all in agreement that everyone should get vaccinated, right? 

Again, I fail to see the problem with celebrities promoting the vaccine. 

Idiots live among us, there's no getting around that fact... just look at all the people who think the election was rigged. 

Yes I agree we should be vaccinated and someone getting it because a celebrity told them is still a good thing.
I just think more people are tired of listening to celebrities and seeing their out of touch comments than there are people who are on the fence but because Kim Kardashian says to do it finally gets pushed to getting one. 

At the end of the day I doubt it makes a big difference either way, so I prefer to stop worshiping celebrities and giving them the spotlight. We spend way too much money and focus on people who aren’t really that important to our existence.

Yeah, celebrities & Hollywood = bad, got it. 

300k+ dead Americans and CA reporting 50k+ new cases yesterday is also bad. 

Celebrities getting vaccinated & potentially motivating some fans to do the same = good

I get the disdain for celebrities, and share in it. I can also set it aside and accept that celebrities getting publicly vaccinated is a good thing, regardless of their motivation. I fail to see the problem here and think complaints about it are incredibly short sighted. 

Never said they were bad. I just think they are grossly overpaid. There is a huge difference between being bad and being over paid, not nearly the same thing. 
You think a college football coach deserves to be paid 10 times what the state governor does? I don't. I don't care how good of a coach you are, the governor of the state should make more than the coach of a public university, but a winning coach can make millions a year. A governor does a great job, he might get relected. 
Anyway, this topic came up because someone said more celebrities should encourage people to take the vaccine. My comment was that's sad, we already worship them enough. Why lift them up more as being the angels from God saying take this vaccine. I guess if it works its a good thing, I just don't see that many people really deciding to take a vaccine or not because they saw some YouTube star do it who wasn't already going to. 
I guess that makes me a bad math teacher according to F-Me

what dreams

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think what what dreams is suggesting is a bad idea. no, most of US don't follow what celebrities do, but a pretty significant section of the globe actually does. the more people with massive platforms show that they are getting it, that it's trust worthy, the better. politicians, famous scholars, athletes, musicians; all of em. 

and especially: REPUBLICANS

although, people will still come up with "yeah, i bet they just got an injection of saline", but I think it would still be a net positive. 

That means one would have to trust most of those people. I do not. Not when it comes to my own life decisions - which this is. 

Okay, let me change "celebrity" to "people who promote positive behavior to the public." Sheesh -- you don't have to do things because celebrities do. Not my point.  My point is that a lot of people are going to skip the second dose. Doctors know this. Life fucking happens. People may forget. People may not be educated about the importance of it. People may not like the side effects the first time around. Not every body is as perfect like the members of this forum.

I'm just wondering what the messaging is going to be to stress the importance of the second dose. Is there is going to be any tracking to know how much is being wasted and how much we achieve the 70% goal? 

I'm beginning to sense that a lot of people's nerves are completely shot. Take good care of yourself folks. 

what dreams

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think what what dreams is suggesting is a bad idea. no, most of US don't follow what celebrities do, but a pretty significant section of the globe actually does. the more people with massive platforms show that they are getting it, that it's trust worthy, the better. politicians, famous scholars, athletes, musicians; all of em. 

and especially: REPUBLICANS

although, people will still come up with "yeah, i bet they just got an injection of saline", but I think it would still be a net positive. 

I always heard celebrities aren't looked on as highly in other countries? That's why a lot will live in Europe or move back to Australia or whatever, because they are more normal there and not semi-gods that people here treat them like. 
Either way, the fact anyone does something, good or bad, because a celebrity told them to and not because its the smart thing to do, is still an idiot. I like my idea of creating penalties for not following through with the second vaccine and charging them for the first if they don't get the full treatment. 

If an idiot gets the vaccine because a celebrity told them too, isn't that still a good thing though? I mean... we're all in agreement that everyone should get vaccinated, right? 

Again, I fail to see the problem with celebrities promoting the vaccine. 

Idiots live among us, there's no getting around that fact... just look at all the people who think the election was rigged. 

Yes I agree we should be vaccinated and someone getting it because a celebrity told them is still a good thing.
I just think more people are tired of listening to celebrities and seeing their out of touch comments than there are people who are on the fence but because Kim Kardashian says to do it finally gets pushed to getting one. 

At the end of the day I doubt it makes a big difference either way, so I prefer to stop worshiping celebrities and giving them the spotlight. We spend way too much money and focus on people who aren’t really that important to our existence.

Yeah, celebrities & Hollywood = bad, got it. 

300k+ dead Americans and CA reporting 50k+ new cases yesterday is also bad. 

Celebrities getting vaccinated & potentially motivating some fans to do the same = good

I get the disdain for celebrities, and share in it. I can also set it aside and accept that celebrities getting publicly vaccinated is a good thing, regardless of their motivation. I fail to see the problem here and think complaints about it are incredibly short sighted. 

Never said they were bad. I just think they are grossly overpaid. There is a huge difference between being bad and being over paid, not nearly the same thing. 
You think a college football coach deserves to be paid 10 times what the state governor does? I don't. I don't care how good of a coach you are, the governor of the state should make more than the coach of a public university, but a winning coach can make millions a year. A governor does a great job, he might get relected. 
Anyway, this topic came up because someone said more celebrities should encourage people to take the vaccine. My comment was that's sad, we already worship them enough. Why lift them up more as being the angels from God saying take this vaccine. I guess if it works its a good thing, I just don't see that many people really deciding to take a vaccine or not because they saw some YouTube star do it who wasn't already going to. 
I guess that makes me a bad math teacher according to F-Me

Bolded part -- no that's not what I said. That's how it was interpreted. I suggested that the celebrities -- i.e, people like Obama who plan to get their vaccine on television -- should show us getting the second dose to remind everyone to get their second dose. How about all the feel-good coverage of "the first nurse to get the vaccine"? Let's see the first nurse in 21 days getting her second dose. People need to be reminded that it's part of the deal -- not because they're idiots, but because they're humans with flaws that deserve some forgiveness. And I don't want to see any of this vaccine wasted!
 

Spunkie

You raised a good point, dreamer. I guess because the first available doses are mostly for health workers, politicians, and high risk elders that there will be better follow up than what we will see for the remainder of the population. Perhaps immunization card benefits could also increase 2nd dose compliance.

hedonist

what dreams said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think what what dreams is suggesting is a bad idea. no, most of US don't follow what celebrities do, but a pretty significant section of the globe actually does. the more people with massive platforms show that they are getting it, that it's trust worthy, the better. politicians, famous scholars, athletes, musicians; all of em. 

and especially: REPUBLICANS

although, people will still come up with "yeah, i bet they just got an injection of saline", but I think it would still be a net positive. 

That means one would have to trust most of those people. I do not. Not when it comes to my own life decisions - which this is. 

Okay, let me change "celebrity" to "people who promote positive behavior to the public." Sheesh -- you don't have to do things because celebrities do. Not my point.  My point is that a lot of people are going to skip the second dose. Doctors know this. Life fucking happens. People may forget. People may not be educated about the importance of it. People may not like the side effects the first time around. Not every body is as perfect like the members of this forum.

I'm just wondering what the messaging is going to be to stress the importance of the second dose. Is there is going to be any tracking to know how much is being wasted and how much we achieve the 70% goal? 

I'm beginning to sense that a lot of people's nerves are completely shot. Take good care of yourself folks. 

Whoa whoa...my nerves aren’t yet frayed, considering. And many who “promote” are indeed full of shit. Not all of course, but many.

Also, you may have missed my earlier post. 

mace, public servants should not be paid more than X, Y or Z. I don’t think they’re meant to live high on the hog, on our dime.