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  • now its not care home residents because of the freezing temp of vaccine. Carers can go to the centres to get it. Residents cant. Long time until normal folk get anywhere near
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    JW269453 said:
    It is probably safe to assume many politicians, celebrities and professional athletes will somehow be included in 1A.

    "A catastrophic loss in biodiversity, reckless destruction of wildland and warming temperatures have allowed disease to explode. Ignoring the connection between climate change and pandemics would be “dangerous delusion,” one scientist said."

    Add to that the declining health of oceans and loss of marine life and what we have here, in a nutshell, is the whole making of a potential endgame scenario.  Our attention is so often drawn to specific situations:  a pandemic, a major flood, a catastrophic hurricane, and other big news items.  Of course those are important, but they are all symptoms of a much bigger picture- the decline of ocean health, global warming, and loss of biodiversity and wildlife habitat.  Until we make these the major focus in headlines, research, and action, we will only continue down a road to demise. 

    And I'm not saying any of this because I think I'm smarter than anyone else or have all the answers or am any kind of expert on any of this.  I'm just stating simple facts.  And we keep going down the road to ruin. 

    Thank goodness for love, music, humor, and whatever makes you feel good, or we would be totally fucked.

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    Ex-Presidents fill leadership vacuum as Trump ignores worsening pandemic

    This is what presidential leadership looks like.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/trump-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html
  • The more things change......


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  • The more they stay the same!


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  • I will never wrap my head around the selfish pieces of shit that continue to downplay everything. a fucking kid under 10 died the other day in Manitoba. two people, in their 30's and 40's, the other day. and all the poor people in the care homes that are dying off at an alarming rate. it's insane how so many millions care only about themselves and their fucking freedom. 

    I feel for the business owners. 100%. but if you had a fucking leader worth a shit they'd have been taken care of. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    edited December 2020
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    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    both the Ontario and Manitoba premiers are lying pos.

    they are throwing people out of work with no supports in place other than EI.   
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  • BF89905BF89905 Posts: 1,416
    It's disgusting and frustrating how the premier in Ontario is placing $ over people's health; ignoring and spinning medical evidence to suit their $ agenda.

    Local and federal governments should be supporting small business owners and others with immediate and continuous money, but they're really not. We are certainly not all in this together.

    It's also sad and asinine to expect politicians to be able to successfully navigate a pandemic when they don't have the skills or knowledge to do so. I hope everyone is doing their true best to stick to their immediate families.

    The media news outlets here in the GTA have been pushing this vaccine narrative all week. Call me a cynic, but I have little faith in this PC government's ability to handle a vaccine roll-out for our vulnerable populations considering how badly it has mishandled this second wave despite all the clear medical evidence being shared by seemingly every qualified person not on their medical table.

    Stay safe good people 
  • More people i actually  know died. This vaccine  talk in my country is making hope too high too soon. Long. Long way to go
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435
    More people i actually  know died. This vaccine  talk in my country is making hope too high too soon. Long. Long way to go
    So sorry to hear that. Everyone needs to be patient and diligent with the safety measures.
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  • So are there any countries out there where the vaccine won't be free?
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    according to dr. Fauci the UK just took the data from Pfizer and approved the vaccine without scrutinizing the data.  He later apologized.  Interesting 
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,779
    edited December 2020
    according to dr. Fauci the UK just took the data from Pfizer and approved the vaccine without scrutinizing the data.  He later apologized.  Interesting 
    I think he is a touch jealous 
     The uk has some if the best regulators in the world  .  Its clearly  a good vaccine 
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    mace1229 said:
    Our local school district just announce despite a peak in cases, we will be returning to in person in January. At the same time they removed all covid data from their website, the data they used to determine if they remained open or not and they data that said to finally close 2 weeks ago. Seems a little shady to make this announcement and at the exact same time remove all data they have using to make decisions. 
    You can still find the data on the county website, but they've been bragging about transparency since July since this was about the only district that did open, and focused on a few key points rather than a sea of numbers. 
    Yes, it's shady. The lack of transparency breeds mistrust in the community and keeps parents from making informed choices. It's just not right. I hope you stay healthy.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    My new job is at a huge facility making things that keep our modern lifestyle growing. I’m a 3rd party QC. The word is that the facility owner will likely pay for its employees, contractors and subcontractors to get the vaccine once available, as a requirement to continue employment obvious medical exceptions would apply. Despite this many people not most, but many are complaining about over reach, bill gates, loss of privacy, the virus isn’t really that big of a deal etc.  by the time we get it enough people will have had it to find out if there are any adverse side effects.  I can’t understand not wanting to get the inoculation that can get everyone’s lives back to normal.
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  • I understand wanting to understand how it all works but I also support a business owners ability to make that decision.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited December 2020
    I’m up for receiving it when all or the majority of ifs are clarified. Not gonna blindly stick my arm out though.

    One’s business, their rules, in terms of requirements. 

    What are the Bill Gates arguments for not getting it?
  • From the NYT email blast:

    How to manage your virus risk

    The most effective public health messages don’t merely tell people what not to do. They also tell people what they can do with only a small amount of risk.
    This sometimes feels counterintuitive, because it gives people permission to take some risks, rather than urging maximum safety all the time. In the long run, though, a more realistic approach is actually the safer one, many experts say.

    Human beings are social creatures. Most aren’t going to sit inside their houses for months on end. And pretending otherwise tends to backfire. It leads people to ignore public health advice and take needlessly big risks. “We need different, more nuanced, and more practical messaging about coronavirus safety,” Sarit Golub, a psychology professor at Hunter College, has written.

    (Federal officials took a step in this direction this week by shortening the recommended quarantine period after virus exposure.)

    Today, I want to give you a three-step guide to risk minimization. It’s based on a Times survey of 700 epidemiologists as well as my conversations with experts and colleagues, like Donald G. McNeil Jr.
    1. There is one behavior you should try to eliminate, without exception: Spending time in a confined space (outside your household) where anyone is unmasked.

    Don’t eat indoors at a restaurant or friend’s house. Don’t have close, unmasked conversations anywhere, even outdoors. If you must fly, try to not to eat or drink on the plane. If you’re going to work, don’t have lunch in the same room as colleagues. Group lunches have led to outbreaks at hospitals and elsewhere.
    2. This next set of behaviors is best to minimize if you can’t avoid it: Spending extended time in indoor spaces, even with universal masking.

    Masks aren’t perfect. If you can work out at home rather than at a gym — or do your job or attend religious services remotely — you’re reducing your risk.
    3. Now the better news: Several activities are less risky than some people fear.

    You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”

    You can also feel OK about doing many errands. About 90 percent of the epidemiologists in our survey have recently visited a grocery store, a pharmacy or another store. Just wear a mask, stay distant from others and wash your hands afterward.

    The big picture: I find it helpful to think about the notion of a personal risk budget. I don’t spend any of my risk budget on supermarket shopping, because grocery delivery works well for my family. But I do take occasional unmasked, distant walks with one or two friends. They help keep me sane as we head into a long, very hard winter.

    For more: The survey of epidemiologists — done by Margot Sanger-Katz, Claire Cain Miller and Quoctrung Bui of The Times — has much more, including how they’re thinking about a vaccine.


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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    hedonist said:
    I’m up for receiving it when all or the majority of ifs are clarified. Not gonna blindly stick my arm out though.

    One’s business, their rules, in terms of requirements. 

    What are the Bill Gates arguments for not getting it?
    Lol micro chipping, mind control 5G transgender bats...I’m with you and f me...I’m not blindly getting it, but when full trial info is out and all first responders etc have safely gotten it. I will get it as soon after as I can 
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,652
    From the NYT email blast:

    How to manage your virus risk

    The most effective public health messages don’t merely tell people what not to do. They also tell people what they can do with only a small amount of risk.
    This sometimes feels counterintuitive, because it gives people permission to take some risks, rather than urging maximum safety all the time. In the long run, though, a more realistic approach is actually the safer one, many experts say.

    Human beings are social creatures. Most aren’t going to sit inside their houses for months on end. And pretending otherwise tends to backfire. It leads people to ignore public health advice and take needlessly big risks. “We need different, more nuanced, and more practical messaging about coronavirus safety,” Sarit Golub, a psychology professor at Hunter College, has written.

    (Federal officials took a step in this direction this week by shortening the recommended quarantine period after virus exposure.)

    Today, I want to give you a three-step guide to risk minimization. It’s based on a Times survey of 700 epidemiologists as well as my conversations with experts and colleagues, like Donald G. McNeil Jr.
    1. There is one behavior you should try to eliminate, without exception: Spending time in a confined space (outside your household) where anyone is unmasked.

    Don’t eat indoors at a restaurant or friend’s house. Don’t have close, unmasked conversations anywhere, even outdoors. If you must fly, try to not to eat or drink on the plane. If you’re going to work, don’t have lunch in the same room as colleagues. Group lunches have led to outbreaks at hospitals and elsewhere.
    2. This next set of behaviors is best to minimize if you can’t avoid it: Spending extended time in indoor spaces, even with universal masking.

    Masks aren’t perfect. If you can work out at home rather than at a gym — or do your job or attend religious services remotely — you’re reducing your risk.
    3. Now the better news: Several activities are less risky than some people fear.

    You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”

    You can also feel OK about doing many errands. About 90 percent of the epidemiologists in our survey have recently visited a grocery store, a pharmacy or another store. Just wear a mask, stay distant from others and wash your hands afterward.

    The big picture: I find it helpful to think about the notion of a personal risk budget. I don’t spend any of my risk budget on supermarket shopping, because grocery delivery works well for my family. But I do take occasional unmasked, distant walks with one or two friends. They help keep me sane as we head into a long, very hard winter.

    For more: The survey of epidemiologists — done by Margot Sanger-Katz, Claire Cain Miller and Quoctrung Bui of The Times — has much more, including how they’re thinking about a vaccine.


    That's a helpful reminder. I needed to hear the outdoor masking bit, especially.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,450
    https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1335214358800920577?s=21
    Damn 10K dead Americans! In just 4 days by months end another 40k I’m shocked..
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    at this point it’s called “natural selection”...if you need a politician to tell you what to do...
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    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,225
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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