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  • Researchers at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond found nearly 75,000 more people may have died from the pandemic than what was recorded in March to July, according to the report published Monday in the peer-reviewed journal JAMA.

    By looking at death certificates, the study found more than 150,000 deaths were officially attributed to COVID-19 during that period. However, researchers determined nearly 75,000 additional deaths were indirectly caused by the pandemic – bringing the total number of deaths for those four months to more than 225,000.

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  • that's already been debunked, to my knowledge. 
    Im not sure the truth is available to us. 
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  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 921
    brianlux said:
    JT167846 said:
    Was able to do this in Wellington yesterday-NZ vs Australia. Staying vigilant but happy to have eliminated community transmission a second time. Great to have international rugby back.



    Fun for some, no doubt, but I would find it scary. 
    No masks?  Weird.
    Good luck.
    They dont need masks because  their  country didnt fuck this up like mine and yours bri.
    This sight  scares me now. But in my heart i long for these days back for my family and kids sanity.  Its too  late for me but for them we need this here. It wont come though not for a long long time. I sadly  have been caught up in it too much as a health anxiety sufferer it really has finished me. 
    Enjoy the  rugby.football. golf whatever it is that takes you away for 2 hours or so. Love to NZ and AUS.  Good people great places. 
    Yesh there were no community cases for 15 days which as we know is more than one incubation period. Before that Wellington had been at the lowest level for two weeks like the rest of the country. We were still wearing masks up until then on public transport as it was mandatory and a fair few people are still wearing them now. We still all contact trace by signing in and given the most recent outbreak we'll be a lot more vigilant. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,932
    There is NO cornonavirus in NZ?  Really?  WOW!  I hope it stays that way. 
    None? Really?  I'm dumbfounded.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,932
    What about Fiji?  I have a friend who lives there and my wife has visited there?
    (I'm looking for a good hide out :lol:)
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  • brianlux said:
    What about Fiji?  I have a friend who lives there and my wife has visited there?
    (I'm looking for a good hide out :lol:)
    Me too . I need a sanctuary 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    edited October 2020
    You can come to my apartment and spin some Crazy Nights. When my coughing goes away.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Deal
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  • brianlux said:
    There is NO cornonavirus in NZ?  Really?  WOW!  I hope it stays that way. 
    None? Really?  I'm dumbfounded.
    yeah, it's their second "victory". they were virus free some months back, but then had a few cases popped up, but they took care of it. 
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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Posts: 1,024
    edited October 2020
    brianlux said:
    There is NO cornonavirus in NZ?  Really?  WOW!  I hope it stays that way. 
    None? Really?  I'm dumbfounded.
    That's not quite true. They have no community spread, but they do have imported cases, meaning people traveling into NZ have tested positive. Per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/   they have 39 active cases at the moment. They have done a great job though. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,071
    brianlux said:
    There is NO cornonavirus in NZ?  Really?  WOW!  I hope it stays that way. 
    None? Really?  I'm dumbfounded.
    That's not quite true. They have no community spread, but they do have imported cases, meaning people traveling into NZ have tested positive. Per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/   they have 39 active cases at the moment. They have done a great job though. 
    But they're really nipping that shit in the bud.  Impressive. 
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    What did NZ do differently? Can we learn from any of the actions they’ve taken?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,423
    hedonist said:
    What did NZ do differently? Can we learn from any of the actions they’ve taken?
    Step 1:
    Make your country an island

    ;)


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,423
    hedonist said:
    What did NZ do differently? Can we learn from any of the actions they’ve taken?
    From the 1st time they got to 0:

    https://www.dw.com/en/jacinda-ardern-leadership-in-coronavirus-response/a-53733397


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  • They aren't filled with dickheads who value their opinion (verified as legitimate by FaceFuck posts) over public health.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist said:
    What did NZ do differently? Can we learn from any of the actions they’ve taken?
    Step 1:
    Make your country an island

    ;)


    :lol:

    She deserves kudos, for sure. 

    As Bret and Jemaine would say (or was it Murray?), New Zealand ROCKS!
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,761
    Trump would have fucked up NZ. His stupid anit-mask and play it down approach would have destroyed that little country. Leaders and their ability to lead make a big difference. We just have a bat shit idiot being followed by a cult of crazies.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • They closed borders. Some eastern countries did as well and have controlled it.
    We are an island and failed 
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,821
    hedonist said:
    What did NZ do differently? Can we learn from any of the actions they’ve taken?
    Step 1:
    Make your country an island

    ;)


    HAHA, but it sure helps. 

    It also helps they have a population of around 5 Million. 

    But, give them credit for doing a great job.
  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 921
    We went hard and went early. Due to the exponential nature of the spread an effective elimination strategy will always look like a massive overreaction. But you will see the spread grow which is always worrying-the thing is hard and early measures result in linear growth and then a couple of weeks later people recover. The numbers start to gradually drop but people are still wearing masks and socially distancing which definitely reduces chance of a rogue case or two getting out. Sucked for Auckland to lock down for two weeks but was the right thing to do as they have test match rugby this weekend. Trump pissed us off by having a crack at the second wave we got-people must have been shoving our response in his face while criticising his response-Ardern did pretty well to not bite. But the success against the second outbreak will hopefully mean it is shoved in his face again. That will teach him for claiming the US split the atom ha!
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  • JT167846 said:
    We went hard and went early. Due to the exponential nature of the spread an effective elimination strategy will always look like a massive overreaction. But you will see the spread grow which is always worrying-the thing is hard and early measures result in linear growth and then a couple of weeks later people recover. The numbers start to gradually drop but people are still wearing masks and socially distancing which definitely reduces chance of a rogue case or two getting out. Sucked for Auckland to lock down for two weeks but was the right thing to do as they have test match rugby this weekend. Trump pissed us off by having a crack at the second wave we got-people must have been shoving our response in his face while criticising his response-Ardern did pretty well to not bite. But the success against the second outbreak will hopefully mean it is shoved in his face again. That will teach him for claiming the US split the atom ha!
    he simply isn't worth anyone's time. I'm glad, for the most part, my PM doesn't respond to questions about him. it's nothing but bait and everyone knows he's just a jackass that has very few brain cells. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,011
    JT167846 said:
    We went hard and went early. Due to the exponential nature of the spread an effective elimination strategy will always look like a massive overreaction. But you will see the spread grow which is always worrying-the thing is hard and early measures result in linear growth and then a couple of weeks later people recover. The numbers start to gradually drop but people are still wearing masks and socially distancing which definitely reduces chance of a rogue case or two getting out. Sucked for Auckland to lock down for two weeks but was the right thing to do as they have test match rugby this weekend. Trump pissed us off by having a crack at the second wave we got-people must have been shoving our response in his face while criticising his response-Ardern did pretty well to not bite. But the success against the second outbreak will hopefully mean it is shoved in his face again. That will teach him for claiming the US split the atom ha!
    I remember Fauci saying something to the effect that "if we do things right we will look back and think we overreacted".....tRump is too stupid to understand that statement.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    hedonist said:
    What did NZ do differently? Can we learn from any of the actions they’ve taken?
    They have an advantage being an island and a small population...

    or at least that what read.  I definitely think the small pop is big in fighting COVID.

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  • JT167846 said:
    We went hard and went early. Due to the exponential nature of the spread an effective elimination strategy will always look like a massive overreaction. But you will see the spread grow which is always worrying-the thing is hard and early measures result in linear growth and then a couple of weeks later people recover. The numbers start to gradually drop but people are still wearing masks and socially distancing which definitely reduces chance of a rogue case or two getting out. Sucked for Auckland to lock down for two weeks but was the right thing to do as they have test match rugby this weekend. Trump pissed us off by having a crack at the second wave we got-people must have been shoving our response in his face while criticising his response-Ardern did pretty well to not bite. But the success against the second outbreak will hopefully mean it is shoved in his face again. That will teach him for claiming the US split the atom ha!
    I remember Fauci saying something to the effect that "if we do things right we will look back and think we overreacted".....tRump is too stupid to understand that statement.
    funny. I said the exact same thing to multiple people back in march when everyone was freaking out over everything closing. and I'm not even an epidemiologist. or any kind of -ologist, for that matter. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,761
    JT167846 said:
    We went hard and went early. Due to the exponential nature of the spread an effective elimination strategy will always look like a massive overreaction. But you will see the spread grow which is always worrying-the thing is hard and early measures result in linear growth and then a couple of weeks later people recover. The numbers start to gradually drop but people are still wearing masks and socially distancing which definitely reduces chance of a rogue case or two getting out. Sucked for Auckland to lock down for two weeks but was the right thing to do as they have test match rugby this weekend. Trump pissed us off by having a crack at the second wave we got-people must have been shoving our response in his face while criticising his response-Ardern did pretty well to not bite. But the success against the second outbreak will hopefully mean it is shoved in his face again. That will teach him for claiming the US split the atom ha!
    I remember Fauci saying something to the effect that "if we do things right we will look back and think we overreacted".....tRump is too stupid to understand that statement.
    funny. I said the exact same thing to multiple people back in march when everyone was freaking out over everything closing. and I'm not even an epidemiologist. or any kind of -ologist, for that matter. 
    You're too modest. You must be at least a Vitalogist ;)
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 921
    JT167846 said:
    We went hard and went early. Due to the exponential nature of the spread an effective elimination strategy will always look like a massive overreaction. But you will see the spread grow which is always worrying-the thing is hard and early measures result in linear growth and then a couple of weeks later people recover. The numbers start to gradually drop but people are still wearing masks and socially distancing which definitely reduces chance of a rogue case or two getting out. Sucked for Auckland to lock down for two weeks but was the right thing to do as they have test match rugby this weekend. Trump pissed us off by having a crack at the second wave we got-people must have been shoving our response in his face while criticising his response-Ardern did pretty well to not bite. But the success against the second outbreak will hopefully mean it is shoved in his face again. That will teach him for claiming the US split the atom ha!
    I remember Fauci saying something to the effect that "if we do things right we will look back and think we overreacted".....tRump is too stupid to understand that statement.
    funny. I said the exact same thing to multiple people back in march when everyone was freaking out over everything closing. and I'm not even an epidemiologist. or any kind of -ologist, for that matter. 
    Yeah man, it seems like common sense to me. Like masks helping. Everyone wears them it's a lot of help.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/sorry-sunshine-wrong-place-winston-peters-shuts-down-american-covid-19-denier-campaign-event

    Had a good laugh at this today. We do have advantages but they could have been negated with a careless approach. There are I'm sure places with similar population density that have gone the other way. Just takes one asymptomatic super spreader and we're screwed. But we know the drill now. That's very important in case we get more community cases. Which is always possible as this thing is so contagious. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,604
    JT167846 said:
    brianlux said:
    JT167846 said:
    Was able to do this in Wellington yesterday-NZ vs Australia. Staying vigilant but happy to have eliminated community transmission a second time. Great to have international rugby back.



    Fun for some, no doubt, but I would find it scary. 
    No masks?  Weird.
    Good luck.
    They dont need masks because  their  country didnt fuck this up like mine and yours bri.
    This sight  scares me now. But in my heart i long for these days back for my family and kids sanity.  Its too  late for me but for them we need this here. It wont come though not for a long long time. I sadly  have been caught up in it too much as a health anxiety sufferer it really has finished me. 
    Enjoy the  rugby.football. golf whatever it is that takes you away for 2 hours or so. Love to NZ and AUS.  Good people great places. 
    Yesh there were no community cases for 15 days which as we know is more than one incubation period. Before that Wellington had been at the lowest level for two weeks like the rest of the country. We were still wearing masks up until then on public transport as it was mandatory and a fair few people are still wearing them now. We still all contact trace by signing in and given the most recent outbreak we'll be a lot more vigilant. 


    That’s nothing trivial.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,604

    ROME (AP) — Europe’s second wave of coronavirus infections has struck well before flu season even started, with intensive care wards filling up again and bars shutting down. Making matters worse, authorities say, is a widespread case of “COVID-fatigue.”

    Record high daily infections in several eastern European countries and sharp rebounds in the hard-hit west have made clear that Europe never really crushed the COVID-19 curve as hoped, after springtime lockdowns.

    Spain this week declared a state of emergency for Madrid amid increasing tensions between local and national authorities over virus containment measures. Germany offered up soldiers to help with contact tracing in newly flaring hotspots. Italy mandated masks outdoors and warned that for the first time since the country became the European epicenter of the pandemic, the health system was facing “significant critical issues” as hospitals fill up.


    Experts say Europe’s high infection rate is due in large part to expanded testing that is turning up far more asymptomatic positives than during the first wave, when only the sick could get a test.

    But the trend is nevertheless alarming, given the flu season hasn’t even begun, schools are open for in-person learning and the cold weather hasn’t yet driven Europeans indoors, where infection can spread more easily.

    “We’re seeing 98,000 cases reported in the last 24 hours. That’s a new regional record. That’s very alarming,” said Robb Butler, executive director of the WHO’s Europe regional office. While part of that is due to increased testing, “It’s also worrisome in terms of virus resurgence.”

    It’s also worrisome given many countries still lack the testing, tracing and treating capacity to deal with a second wave of pandemic when the first wave never really ended, said Dr. Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

    https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-pandemics-italy-madrid-eastern-europe-159a68a460337948d25281c153994c70






    unfortunately UKs hospitalization rate is also increasing.
  • fuck. my province is now testing at over 4%. this isn't good. our chief medical officer is basically sounding the alarm that people aren't listening to direction. wonder if cases will go through the roof in a week or so after t-giving. 
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