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  • kotton_crown
    kotton_crown Posts: 214
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.
    Pearl Jam's also the band that from 1994-2002 made the records they wanted, regardless if they might alienate fans that wanted to put them in a box as the answer to whimpy bands on FM radio, or whatever nonsense that is.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,523
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.
    I can understand anyone not liking any song for any reason. I can't understand harping on it, or being a dick about it, or arguing with people who do like it.
  • H.Chinaski
    H.Chinaski Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,600
    Honestly was on the fence after the first few listens but after hearing it at work today at the FULL ALBUM listening party on an amazing full on concert level PA... I'm on board. Bravo guys, the whole album is amazing!
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    The first time I heard the song, I thought of something Ed said about pop music in an RS interview awhile back. I dug it up to refresh my memory.  https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-eddie-vedder-on-pearl-jams-new-lp-and-hate-watching-the-vmas-106359/.
    I do like that it's danceable. It will be a fun song to hear live.  Everyone keeps speaking of influences. I hear Duran Duran. I was totally into Duran Duran in middle school.

  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    The Juggler said:
    23scidoo said:
    The Juggler said:
    My friend sent me a screen shot of apple lyrics with it saying "fire things" instead of "file things." Has this been updated?
    Still hear ''file things''..
    Me too. I think file things makes more sense than fire things at this point too. Girls are dancing away the problem, men are being assholes, putting a band aid on it and filing it away to deal with it down the road...

    Fire sounds cooler though
    “Fire things”, like guns and rockets, makes far more sense than “file things”. Nobody wants to file things. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    oftenreading said:
    The Juggler said:
    23scidoo said:
    The Juggler said:
    My friend sent me a screen shot of apple lyrics with it saying "fire things" instead of "file things." Has this been updated?
    Still hear ''file things''..
    Me too. I think file things makes more sense than fire things at this point too. Girls are dancing away the problem, men are being assholes, putting a band aid on it and filing it away to deal with it down the road...

    Fire sounds cooler though
    “Fire things”, like guns and rockets, makes far more sense than “file things”. Nobody wants to file things. 
    “Finer things” works better than either
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,458
    DewieCox said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
    DId they settle up with Oasis?

    https://youtu.be/5_jtN9iK6NM
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pledgeagrievance
    pledgeagrievance Posts: 2,874
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.
    I can understand anyone not liking any song for any reason. I can't understand harping on it, or being a dick about it, or arguing with people who do like it.
    This. Seems the ppl who like it post once or so. The ppl who don’t like it make it a point to keep railing against it and argue 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,844
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.
    I can understand anyone not liking any song for any reason. I can't understand harping on it, or being a dick about it, or arguing with people who do like it.

    You know that’s an insulting word to some? It is to me, but I respect your right to use it and Ed’s right to sing it. But please respect my right to speak out against that vocal in response to repeated comments of praise. We all have opinions, that’s the point of us wanting to engage with each other. Please enjoy the song more.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,844
    pledgeagrievance said:
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.
    I can understand anyone not liking any song for any reason. I can't understand harping on it, or being a dick about it, or arguing with people who do like it.
    This. Seems the ppl who like it post once or so. The ppl who don’t like it make it a point to keep railing against it and argue 

    So if you like it, it’s praise, and if you don’t, it’s arguing? Is there any bias to that?

    Do we need separate opinion threads, one pro one con? I get it, a topic featuring those that prefer Pearl Jam further exploring their strengths like Tool, would drop off page one instantly.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
    DId they settle up with Oasis?

    https://youtu.be/5_jtN9iK6NM
    Why would they? I don’t hear anything close to a PJ song. T
  • herogroundzero
    herogroundzero Posts: 366
    BennyLaRue said:
    Cropduster wasn't for me. I moved on.
    i am still obsessed with this song and my opinion is always right because it's mine.
  • BennyLaRue
    BennyLaRue Posts: 751
    DewieCox said:

    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.

    I don't think the bass lines are really that close. Going by memory and not tabs, Cannonball is a alternating pattern of 2 different notes, each repeated 5 times after an open string. DotC is a pattern of 3 different notes, each repeated 6 times after an open string.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    kotton_crown said:
    molecule said:
    What songs from Talking Heads and Bowie do people hear or relate to? Would like to check them out.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bjnRrvx88Y

    This is a great place to start for the Talking Heads.
    Considered to be one of the best concert films of all time.
    Wow this is really really awesome.  I never liked Talking Heads but I am totally digging this. Thanks for posting this.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,458
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
    DId they settle up with Oasis?

    https://youtu.be/5_jtN9iK6NM
    Why would they? I don’t hear anything close to a PJ song. T
    https://youtu.be/lzBqGk7l4A8
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pledgeagrievance
    pledgeagrievance Posts: 2,874
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pledgeagrievance said:
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.
    I can understand anyone not liking any song for any reason. I can't understand harping on it, or being a dick about it, or arguing with people who do like it.
    This. Seems the ppl who like it post once or so. The ppl who don’t like it make it a point to keep railing against it and argue 

    So if you like it, it’s praise, and if you don’t, it’s arguing? Is there any bias to that?

    Do we need separate opinion threads, one pro one con? I get it, a topic featuring those that prefer Pearl Jam further exploring their strengths like Tool, would drop off page one instantly.
    Yes
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
    DId they settle up with Oasis?

    https://youtu.be/5_jtN9iK6NM
    Why would they? I don’t hear anything close to a PJ song. T
    https://youtu.be/lzBqGk7l4A8
    I don’t hear anything nearly as close as DOTC/Cannoball and Oasis probably don’t want their song compared to Ole. 
  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    edited January 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
    DId they settle up with Oasis?

    https://youtu.be/5_jtN9iK6NM
    Did Oasis settle up with Creedence Clearwater Revival? 

    You can’t really trademark a two chord progression.   The DotC bass intro has very little in common with Cannonball either.  It’s just the way Stone slides up the fretboard that gives that impression.   Radioactive by Kings of Leon crossed my mind for the same reason.   
    Post edited by False_Belief on

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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    False_Belief said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DL136722 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DL136722 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    TR136913 said:
    PJ is taking itself too seriously. I'm guessing they listened to the Beatle's White album, dropped some acid and then wrote and performed this song. It is self indulgent and over produced. Go back to the basics boys. That is what got you here. All of the PJ fans falling all over themselves is to be expected. But what do you expect from a bunch of lemmings. Let's hope the rest of the album does not follow suit with the waste of time that is DofC. 
    Aww, someone didn't get tickets :(
    Seems odd to me that people can express how much they like DofC but get scrutinized and ridiculed for not liking it. Personally, I think it's ok, not bad, not great, just an avg song. I'll admit, after this much time off between albums and everything that's happened between then and now, I was expecting something better, my fault I guess. Personally, I think some people on here are just hyped up for something new, just because it's new doesn't mean it has to be awesome but to each their own. 
    and you expressed your opinion respectfully. some people are just dicks about it. that's the difference. no one is getting ridiculed for not liking it, they are getting ridiculed for how they express it. 
    I guess but I've read some stuff on here, basically people ripping people for merely disagreeing with them and because some, not all, again, not all but there are a good amount on here that are loyal to a fault that you can't even have a conversation to agree to disagree
    I haven't really seen that. The people being ridiculed are either being jerks about it or are crusading against it with post after post. If someone posts a thoughtful critique, they're not going to get jumped on.

    Can you understand the strong dislike? Pearl Jam was a bold answer to ALOT of this type of music that polluted FM radio in the 80s.

    If you wanted guitar rock, what was the choice. REM? U2? Fine bands but not really much on the power chord.

    Even metal bands were whimpy in the 80s. Except Metallica. But they really weren’t on the radio in the 80s.

    Ah Bowie just came on the radio. Sounds nothing like DotC. Sarcastic comment deleted.

    They were never a response to new wave or 80s alternative. Somewhat similar influences have been popping up in bits for most of their career now and they were tagging and covering a lot of these artists that are being mentioned very early. 

    Another influence I haven’t really seen mentioned...Peter Gabriel solo is all over the outro. 


    The song had grown on me a bit. Still think the synth sound and riff is weak and the outro is both too long and needs more fleshed out. 


    Does anybody think they’ll have to settle up with the Breeders? The bass riff is really close and the drums have a similar feel.
    DId they settle up with Oasis?

    https://youtu.be/5_jtN9iK6NM
    Did Oasis settle up with Creedence Clearwater Revival? 

    The DotC bass intro has very little in common with Cannonball either.  It’s just the way Stone slides up the fretboard that gives that impression.   
    No, they’re pretty similar.

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