Fans are spending hundreds on hotels, thousands on airfare and somehow PJ is charging too much for the shows.
The show is the reason for the economic activity. Yes fans are multitasking but with no show these ancillary purchases would not exist in the current format.
A PJ concert is similar to a playoff sporting event or championship game. By definition it's a premium event.
Does the airline have an online forum with 100,600 comments on its front porch?
The crux is, people aren't buying music via traditional means anymore. Pearl Jam will release it's new album in the coming months, and a good proportion won't buy it, instead choosing to listen via their preferred streaming service. I really don't mind paying £80+ for a show as I know they put their heart and soul into a show. What boils my piss is the price of merch. A €40 t-shirt plus ridiculous postage which costs €2/3 to produce, and I'm not convinced the band has a lot of input in. But, the band and others have to make money somehow. It's going to be expensive tickets, merch and special uber limited edition and deluxe versions of albums.
Man i do agree on merch. The tshirt that was £30 at ev wembley was so poor the print wasnt even central. Its such poor quality and way over priced i wont buy anymore and someone. I guess this mrtsurt guy should be responsible.
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As far as ticket prices . Its the same old thing. Buy them if you can. Dont if you cant. I cannot this time so im out and its upsetting but that's my issue not pj s. As stated before other bands are higher some lower. If you love your live music which we all do here. You will have the experience of a lifetime i have many times and i am grateful for that.
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Pearl Jam is entertainment, provided by private individuals (the band).
Entertainment is not a basic human "right" such as food, shelter, or health care,
which should be subsidized by a government. Entertainment is not a civil right like
the "right" to vote or "right" to freedom of speech. When fans talk
about their "right" to see a concert, it comes off as
entitlement. I've been a fan of this band since it started, but this
band owes me nothing. If anything, I owe this band, for all that its
music has gotten me through, and all the entertainment it has provided to me free of charge on platforms like youtube.
To say that anyone who likes the music should be able to see their
concerts, regardless of their ability to pay, is idealistic, but wrong. Principles of supply and demand apply. As others
have stated, the band is already making concessions on the price of
these tickets, leaving money out there that they could be collecting (as
other big bands do). As a thought experiment: Do Pearl Jam fans in developing countries (in for example, Africa or Asia) have the "right" to see the band's concerts? No one can force the band to tour developing countries, and no one can force the band to price tickets at
1/10 of what they could get in the US or Europe, just so the people
there who have the "right" to go a Pearl Jam concert are served.
Pearl Jam is entertainment, provided by private individuals (the band).
Entertainment is not a basic human "right" such as food, shelter, or health care,
which should be subsidized by a government. Entertainment is not a civil right like
the "right" to vote or "right" to freedom of speech. When fans talk
about their "right" to see a concert, it comes off as
entitlement. I've been a fan of this band since it started, but this
band owes me nothing. If anything, I owe this band, for all that its
music has gotten me through, and all the entertainment it has provided to me free of charge on platforms like youtube.
To say that anyone who likes the music should be able to see their
concerts, regardless of their ability to pay, is idealistic, but wrong. Principles of supply and demand apply. As others
have stated, the band is already making concessions on the price of
these tickets, leaving money out there that they could be collecting (as
other big bands do). As a thought experiment: Do Pearl Jam fans in developing countries (in for example, Africa or Asia) have the "right" to see the band's concerts? No one can force the band to tour developing countries, and no one can force the band to price tickets at
1/10 of what they could get in the US or Europe, just so the people
there who have the "right" to go a Pearl Jam concert are served.
I agree on a very basic level and on a higher spirit of the music and energetic economy level not so much...analogous to a nights shelter should be equal to a few hours of spectacular entertainment...whatever your expectation hence your ability to pay ...80 bucks for shelter...80 bucks for the gig assuming you need lodging...if a city cant provide you that doubtful one could afford much more for a ticket...plus plus plus...so thereby eliminating the therapeutic experience of pearl jam en masse...can you get it from a 20 dollar album?? Sure...but for me it is what mecca is to prayer...lucky are those who can get close to the mount...blessed are those who can move the mountain of there soul without ever having bèen there...
Ive been following this band since the start but I genuinely think that its a lot of money for even a 3 hour show. I would also say that about other shows as well even if these are less.
Might be hard for US folks to imagine but I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe. You could stop 100 people in the street and be lucky to find a single person who has heard of them or knows any of their songs.
Ive been following this band since the start but I genuinely think that its a lot of money for even a 3 hour show. I would also say that about other shows as well even if these are less.
Might be hard for US folks to imagine but I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe. You could stop 100 people in the street and be lucky to find a single person who has heard of them or knows any of their songs.
“ I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe”
That does seem to be the case but the band doesn’t seem to care to match shows to fans demand for shows. They play where they want to go.
its certainly a lot of money but comparatively it’s less than what most top bands charge
I am more hung up on their continuing policy to pretend front row seats should cost the same as obstructed view nosebleeds. That’s insulting .
Ive been following this band since the start but I genuinely think that its a lot of money for even a 3 hour show. I would also say that about other shows as well even if these are less.
Might be hard for US folks to imagine but I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe. You could stop 100 people in the street and be lucky to find a single person who has heard of them or knows any of their songs.
“ I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe”
That does seem to be the case but the band doesn’t seem to care to match shows to fans demand for shows. They play where they want to go.
its certainly a lot of money but comparatively it’s less than what most top bands charge
I am more hung up on their continuing policy to pretend front row seats should cost the same as obstructed view nosebleeds. That’s insulting .
They may not be widely known in the general public but they have a strong and loyal following in Europe.
They can sell out arenas in minutes across Holland, UK etc, sell out big stadiums like San Siro in Italy, and they're in demand as headliners for our biggest festivals. So there is certainly demand from people in Europe to see them. It's obviously not as simple as 'they'll play where they want', it also has to financially stack up.
I also generally agree PJ on their policy on ticket pricing, the front rows of any show shouldn't be just for the wealthiest few. Their prices are generally lower than equivalent acts, although they could adjust their pricing when playing places like Hungary for example.
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Pearl Jam is entertainment, provided by private individuals (the band).
Entertainment is not a basic human "right" such as food, shelter, or health care,
which should be subsidized by a government. Entertainment is not a civil right like
the "right" to vote or "right" to freedom of speech. When fans talk
about their "right" to see a concert, it comes off as
entitlement. I've been a fan of this band since it started, but this
band owes me nothing. If anything, I owe this band, for all that its
music has gotten me through, and all the entertainment it has provided to me free of charge on platforms like youtube.
To say that anyone who likes the music should be able to see their
concerts, regardless of their ability to pay, is idealistic, but wrong. Principles of supply and demand apply. As others
have stated, the band is already making concessions on the price of
these tickets, leaving money out there that they could be collecting (as
other big bands do). As a thought experiment: Do Pearl Jam fans in developing countries (in for example, Africa or Asia) have the "right" to see the band's concerts? No one can force the band to tour developing countries, and no one can force the band to price tickets at
1/10 of what they could get in the US or Europe, just so the people
there who have the "right" to go a Pearl Jam concert are served.
I agree on a very basic level and on a higher spirit of the music and energetic economy level not so much...analogous to a nights shelter should be equal to a few hours of spectacular entertainment...whatever your expectation hence your ability to pay ...80 bucks for shelter...80 bucks for the gig assuming you need lodging...if a city cant provide you that doubtful one could afford much more for a ticket...plus plus plus...so thereby eliminating the therapeutic experience of pearl jam en masse...can you get it from a 20 dollar album?? Sure...but for me it is what mecca is to prayer...lucky are those who can get close to the mount...blessed are those who can move the mountain of there soul without ever having bèen there...
There are plenty of bands one can see for a fraction of what you're quoting. That sort of uplift is widely available at a reasonable price. If someone is insistent on seeing certain bands like Pearl Jam, the Stones, or U2, those are luxury items.
I think, considering ticket prices today, that 130€ for a golden circle ticket to see one of your favourite bands play for nearly 3 hours is good value. Bands don't sell millions of records anymore, so concerts and merch are their main income. For example, take a look at the tremendous amount of shit on merch tables today...merch business is huge today and a good income for bands.
Pearl Jam is entertainment, provided by private individuals (the band).
Entertainment is not a basic human "right" such as food, shelter, or health care,
which should be subsidized by a government. Entertainment is not a civil right like
the "right" to vote or "right" to freedom of speech. When fans talk
about their "right" to see a concert, it comes off as
entitlement. I've been a fan of this band since it started, but this
band owes me nothing. If anything, I owe this band, for all that its
music has gotten me through, and all the entertainment it has provided to me free of charge on platforms like youtube.
To say that anyone who likes the music should be able to see their
concerts, regardless of their ability to pay, is idealistic, but wrong. Principles of supply and demand apply. As others
have stated, the band is already making concessions on the price of
these tickets, leaving money out there that they could be collecting (as
other big bands do). As a thought experiment: Do Pearl Jam fans in developing countries (in for example, Africa or Asia) have the "right" to see the band's concerts? No one can force the band to tour developing countries, and no one can force the band to price tickets at
1/10 of what they could get in the US or Europe, just so the people
there who have the "right" to go a Pearl Jam concert are served.
I agree on a very basic level and on a higher spirit of the music and energetic economy level not so much...analogous to a nights shelter should be equal to a few hours of spectacular entertainment...whatever your expectation hence your ability to pay ...80 bucks for shelter...80 bucks for the gig assuming you need lodging...if a city cant provide you that doubtful one could afford much more for a ticket...plus plus plus...so thereby eliminating the therapeutic experience of pearl jam en masse...can you get it from a 20 dollar album?? Sure...but for me it is what mecca is to prayer...lucky are those who can get close to the mount...blessed are those who can move the mountain of there soul without ever having bèen there...
There are plenty of bands one can see for a fraction of what you're quoting. That sort of uplift is widely available at a reasonable price. If someone is insistent on seeing certain bands like Pearl Jam, the Stones, or U2, those are luxury items.
Don’t the Stones and U2 charge considerably more than Pearl Jam?
Pearl Jam is entertainment, provided by private individuals (the band).
Entertainment is not a basic human "right" such as food, shelter, or health care,
which should be subsidized by a government. Entertainment is not a civil right like
the "right" to vote or "right" to freedom of speech. When fans talk
about their "right" to see a concert, it comes off as
entitlement. I've been a fan of this band since it started, but this
band owes me nothing. If anything, I owe this band, for all that its
music has gotten me through, and all the entertainment it has provided to me free of charge on platforms like youtube.
To say that anyone who likes the music should be able to see their
concerts, regardless of their ability to pay, is idealistic, but wrong. Principles of supply and demand apply. As others
have stated, the band is already making concessions on the price of
these tickets, leaving money out there that they could be collecting (as
other big bands do). As a thought experiment: Do Pearl Jam fans in developing countries (in for example, Africa or Asia) have the "right" to see the band's concerts? No one can force the band to tour developing countries, and no one can force the band to price tickets at
1/10 of what they could get in the US or Europe, just so the people
there who have the "right" to go a Pearl Jam concert are served.
I agree on a very basic level and on a higher spirit of the music and energetic economy level not so much...analogous to a nights shelter should be equal to a few hours of spectacular entertainment...whatever your expectation hence your ability to pay ...80 bucks for shelter...80 bucks for the gig assuming you need lodging...if a city cant provide you that doubtful one could afford much more for a ticket...plus plus plus...so thereby eliminating the therapeutic experience of pearl jam en masse...can you get it from a 20 dollar album?? Sure...but for me it is what mecca is to prayer...lucky are those who can get close to the mount...blessed are those who can move the mountain of there soul without ever having bèen there...
There are plenty of bands one can see for a fraction of what you're quoting. That sort of uplift is widely available at a reasonable price. If someone is insistent on seeing certain bands like Pearl Jam, the Stones, or U2, those are luxury items.
Don’t the Stones and U2 charge considerably more than Pearl Jam?
I think, considering ticket prices today, that 130€ for a golden circle ticket to see one of your favourite bands play for nearly 3 hours is good value. Bands don't sell millions of records anymore, so concerts and merch are their main income. For example, take a look at the tremendous amount of shit on merch tables today...merch business is huge today and a good income for bands.
Well, there is no golden circle with Pearl Jam in Ziggodome and with a pre-show it will only be like 2 hours.
And it’s not that they are poor.
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The show is the reason for the economic activity. Yes fans are multitasking but with no show these ancillary purchases would not exist in the current format.
A PJ concert is similar to a playoff sporting event or championship game. By definition it's a premium event.
Does the airline have an online forum with 100,600 comments on its front porch?
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albany 06
hartford 06
reading 06
barcelona 06
paris 06
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this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
As stated before other bands are higher some lower. If you love your live music which we all do here. You will have the experience of a lifetime i have many times and i am grateful for that.
astoria 06
albany 06
hartford 06
reading 06
barcelona 06
paris 06
wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
Might be hard for US folks to imagine but I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe. You could stop 100 people in the street and be lucky to find a single person who has heard of them or knows any of their songs.
“ I wouldnt even say Pearl Jam are even that big here in the UK or Europe”
That does seem to be the case but the band doesn’t seem to care to match shows to fans demand for shows. They play where they want to go.
its certainly a lot of money but comparatively it’s less than what most top bands charge
I am more hung up on their continuing policy to pretend front row seats should cost the same as obstructed view nosebleeds. That’s insulting .
They can sell out arenas in minutes across Holland, UK etc, sell out big stadiums like San Siro in Italy, and they're in demand as headliners for our biggest festivals. So there is certainly demand from people in Europe to see them. It's obviously not as simple as 'they'll play where they want', it also has to financially stack up.
I also generally agree PJ on their policy on ticket pricing, the front rows of any show shouldn't be just for the wealthiest few. Their prices are generally lower than equivalent acts, although they could adjust their pricing when playing places like Hungary for example.
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