Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Good point. Not being on the clock is certainly a benefit.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
OR.. just start at 6:30 they clearly wanted to begin those sets earlier and nobody took the hint.
It doesn't matter the venue. I will never not be excited when they play Boston.
If you bought the Boston shirt at the last Fenway show with most/all of the Boston venues that Pearl Jam has played thus far, what venue in the area would you like to add to that list that Pearl Jam has not played yet?
1) The Wang Center
2) Harborlights (I think it is called Blue Hills Bank Pavilion now)
3) Tanglewood (not Boston but Mass)
Also curious to know what the planned Fenway Music Hall they are building will be like.
I think it's easier for everyone involved (band and crew) when they do stadiums. I've seen all 5 Wrigley shows and the excitement has kind of worn off. 2016 my reserved seats for both nights were so far back and to the side both nights I almost wish I had only gone one night and given someone else the opportunity to have them the second night. The thrill of stadiums for me has passed. It would have to be the right date and day of the week to go for me but I wouldn't go out of my way to go.
Just curious on why you think it's easier for everyone involved (band and crew) when they do stadiums? Im'm not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand why they would prefer stadium venues. Thank you in advance.
They set up for 4 days; do a couple shows potentially with a day off in between. And only need to do it 4 or 5 locations. It's less work.
Not to mention ticket sales: 2 nights at Fenway is about 70K +/- tickets, whereas an average arena is 16-18K. They would have to play 4 arenas in at least 2 cities, (which involves breaking down the stage, traveling with stage & crew to another city and then another setup - that's a lot more overhead) to sell that many tickets.... that factor alone is probably enough for them to keep playing stadiums if they're selling them out... it's a no brainer from a business standpoint.
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Their setup and teardown time is days for stadiums. Their crew was at Fenway 5 days minimum in 2018 for 2 shows. Its hours not days to do this at msg
Compared to MSG, 2 shows priced fairly will bring in more capacity than 1 show at Fenway and will not be subject to potential weather delays.
A fair average arena price is probably double the stadium price. Imo one MSG show could easily match the gross of one Fenway show
If pink could ave. gross $2.4 in an arena certainly the most difficult ticket in rock should easily top that
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Agreed, they were good shows, but they definitely fell short of 2016. I was expecting a lot more from the last two shows of the tour.
It doesn't matter the venue. I will never not be excited when they play Boston.
If you bought the Boston shirt at the last Fenway show with most/all of the Boston venues that Pearl Jam has played thus far, what venue in the area would you like to add to that list that Pearl Jam has not played yet?
1) The Wang Center
2) Harborlights (I think it is called Blue Hills Bank Pavilion now)
3) Tanglewood (not Boston but Mass)
Also curious to know what the planned Fenway Music Hall they are building will be like.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
OR.. just start at 6:30 they clearly wanted to begin those sets earlier and nobody took the hint.
Yeah, I don't think anyone actually expected the show to start at 6:30....but once it started creeping past 7:15 and then 7:30, the crowd was definitely getting a little annoyed since everyone was aware of the 10:30 stop time. In the end, I think I remember them coming on just before 8.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
OR.. just start at 6:30 they clearly wanted to begin those sets earlier and nobody took the hint.
Yeah, I don't think anyone actually expected the show to start at 6:30....but once it started creeping past 7:15 and then 7:30, the crowd was definitely getting a little annoyed since everyone was aware of the 10:30 stop time. In the end, I think I remember them coming on just before 8.
Yup... off the top of my head, I think the show lengths were about 2:30 to 2:40 each.
Not short shows by any stretch, but not the 32-34 (or more) song setlists we had been getting in other years. Granted, Mike was sick the second night, but still... overall those two shows were definitely a step back from the 2016 shows.
If I'm reading the poll correctly, which is certainly not a given...
Excited categories losing to not excited for stadiums by 47 to 53% margin. On the fan club forum. Someone want to IM Ed with that result?
I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% of the Not Excited would buy tickets anyway
Probably right. But I'm definitely in the 25%. I passed on the home shows right in my town w/ no travel. I have zero desire to see any band in a ballpark or stadium.
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My wife texted me if I was ready for Wrigley next summer. She actually got me to think about it, albeit briefly. So why I might immediately be excited if they were to announce another stadium tour, after a few minutes I will come to my senses. I'm not doing it again for several years if ever. There are so many other places to visit on vacation instead of the same cities over and over.
We'll see. With Fenway specifically it's interesting that some artists play there fairly regularly. Billy Joel has done it 6 or 7 years. Zac Brown Band 5. James Taylor will be doing his 4th or 5th.
It would be a mixed bag for me if Pearl Jam goes this route. I much prefer arenas, but if it means Boston is a regular stop then what the hell I guess.
We'll see. With Fenway specifically it's interesting that some artists play there fairly regularly. Billy Joel has done it 6 or 7 years. Zac Brown Band 5. James Taylor will be doing his 4th or 5th.
It would be a mixed bag for me if Pearl Jam goes this route. I much prefer arenas, but if it means Boston is a regular stop then what the hell I guess.
I think it really just comes down to capacity. These acts couldn't sell out Gillette, but have outgrown the Garden.
We'll see. With Fenway specifically it's interesting that some artists play there fairly regularly. Billy Joel has done it 6 or 7 years. Zac Brown Band 5. James Taylor will be doing his 4th or 5th.
It would be a mixed bag for me if Pearl Jam goes this route. I much prefer arenas, but if it means Boston is a regular stop then what the hell I guess.
I think it really just comes down to capacity. These acts couldn't sell out Gillette, but have outgrown the Garden.
It would be interesting to see how Fenway sells if it was part of a more normal-ish tour schedule. Sold it out in '16 even with 2 NY and 2 Philly shows. Ballpark novelty or pure demand?
We'll see. With Fenway specifically it's interesting that some artists play there fairly regularly. Billy Joel has done it 6 or 7 years. Zac Brown Band 5. James Taylor will be doing his 4th or 5th.
It would be a mixed bag for me if Pearl Jam goes this route. I much prefer arenas, but if it means Boston is a regular stop then what the hell I guess.
I think it really just comes down to capacity. These acts couldn't sell out Gillette, but have outgrown the Garden.
It would be interesting to see how Fenway sells if it was part of a more normal-ish tour schedule. Sold it out in '16 even with 2 NY and 2 Philly shows. Ballpark novelty or pure demand?
But those NY & Philly shows were in late April / early May. I drove to Philly for those two shows, and I’m sure plenty of people who were at those drove up to Boston in August.
I think the novelty had a lot to do with it, but the timing contributed as well. If they tried to fit Fenway in for a run through the Northeast, I can’t imagine they would try for two nights. Come to think of it, they only played one Boston show in 2010... I wonder if they could even sell out a single night at Fenway if they had other northeast dates around it.
We'll see. With Fenway specifically it's interesting that some artists play there fairly regularly. Billy Joel has done it 6 or 7 years. Zac Brown Band 5. James Taylor will be doing his 4th or 5th.
It would be a mixed bag for me if Pearl Jam goes this route. I much prefer arenas, but if it means Boston is a regular stop then what the hell I guess.
I think it really just comes down to capacity. These acts couldn't sell out Gillette, but have outgrown the Garden.
It would be interesting to see how Fenway sells if it was part of a more normal-ish tour schedule. Sold it out in '16 even with 2 NY and 2 Philly shows. Ballpark novelty or pure demand?
But those NY & Philly shows were in late April / early May. I drove to Philly for those two shows, and I’m sure plenty of people who were at those drove up to Boston in August.
I think the novelty had a lot to do with it, but the timing contributed as well. If they tried to fit Fenway in for a run through the Northeast, I can’t imagine they would try for two nights. Come to think of it, they only played one Boston show in 2010... I wonder if they could even sell out a single night at Fenway if they had other northeast dates around it.
Yeah, that's true. A few variables, I guess. My instinct is to agree with you, though.
I think it comes down to how long of a break they want to take after Europe.I think if there are ball park holds for mid/late August and Sept, we'll hear leaks soon enough. If they wait to go out in Oct/Nov (ala 2013) maybe it's not til Jan/Feb.
When do NHL/NBA schedules usually come out? That would be who they have to work around if they tour in Oct/Nov
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Orrrrr go on earlier?
Yeah N1 in Boston last year was way too late. It was around 8:15 when they took the stage. I’d really like to travel to some new cities or cities I haven’t been to in a while to see them play. Boston was a great trip in 2018, but I don’t want to do the same thing over and over every time they play, especially for stadiums. Let’s get arenas in every part of the country in 2020. Do it PJ.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Orrrrr go on earlier?
This.
Tickets said 6:30 for a reason. Bands that play Fenway often start earlier than they do in other venues. PJ has struggled with that.
unless it's a stadium in Winnipeg or Minneapolis, not happening for me.
I'd drive to Target Field and stay at the Embassy just a skip away. They have a hella good breakfast there. Plus, all the wine and beer you can drink included I think starting at 5 pm? Saves money on booze at the show.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
I feel completely the opposite. I am excited when a show ends on the early side. I am old and don't feel the need to be up until 12 or 1 anymore every weekend. The great thing about starting and ending early is that people who still want to party can hit the bars after the show and talk about it. People who are spent can go home and hit the pillow. I might even be one of those people at the bar after, but it's great to have that choice. I really hope they don't have opening bands for the U.S. shows. They almost always are bands I don't give a fart about.
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Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Orrrrr go on earlier?
This.
Tickets said 6:30 for a reason. Bands that play Fenway often start earlier than they do in other venues. PJ has struggled with that.
Guess what asshole was in their seat at 7 thinking they were coming on early?
I feel like the last few years of stadiums has tainted how I feel about the level of interest in seeing the band and that makes me sad. I used to be of the “just play anywhere” group and I went and I traveled to Chicago and Boston, multiple times, and the experience has just felt different the passion has subsided after seeing them for 20 years. All the merch, and the far away seats, and the crowds, and the Kevin youkillis, and the baseball jerseys, just all of it feels well, not like it used to.
Not sure I've seen this mentioned, but even though Fenway was enjoyable last year, the curfew really took away from both shows. The encores felt rushed and 3-4 songs got scratched each night. Once we got past 10pm you could see Ed checking the clock on the side of the stage. I'd much rather see them in an arena where there isn't a hard 10:30 curfew.
Orrrrr go on earlier?
This.
Tickets said 6:30 for a reason. Bands that play Fenway often start earlier than they do in other venues. PJ has struggled with that.
Guess what asshole was in their seat at 7 thinking they were coming on early?
THIS GUY!!! lol
I hear you! 4 Fenway shows, four nights watching the clock knowing curfew was closer every second. Still... WHAT IF THEY COME OUT EARLY AND WE MISS IT?!?! They get me everytime. :-)
I feel like the last few years of stadiums has tainted how I feel about the level of interest in seeing the band and that makes me sad. I used to be of the “just play anywhere” group and I went and I traveled to Chicago and Boston, multiple times, and the experience has just felt different the passion has subsided after seeing them for 20 years. All the merch, and the far away seats, and the crowds, and the Kevin youkillis, and the baseball jerseys, just all of it feels well, not like it used to.
I agree with this. Even though my wife and I live about two hours north on Boston we didn't even bother put in for Fenway the second time around because of the venue.
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Their setup and teardown time is days for stadiums. Their crew was at Fenway 5 days minimum in 2018 for 2 shows. Its hours not days to do this at msg
Compared to MSG, 2 shows priced fairly will bring in more capacity than 1 show at Fenway and will not be subject to potential weather delays.
A fair average arena price is probably double the stadium price. Imo one MSG show could easily match the gross of one Fenway show
If pink could ave. gross $2.4 in an arena certainly the most difficult ticket in rock should easily top that
Agreed, they were good shows, but they definitely fell short of 2016. I was expecting a lot more from the last two shows of the tour.
Yup... off the top of my head, I think the show lengths were about 2:30 to 2:40 each.
Not short shows by any stretch, but not the 32-34 (or more) song setlists we had been getting in other years. Granted, Mike was sick the second night, but still... overall those two shows were definitely a step back from the 2016 shows.
Who is wrong and who’s right
It would be a mixed bag for me if Pearl Jam goes this route. I much prefer arenas, but if it means Boston is a regular stop then what the hell I guess.
I think it really just comes down to capacity. These acts couldn't sell out Gillette, but have outgrown the Garden.
I think the novelty had a lot to do with it, but the timing contributed as well. If they tried to fit Fenway in for a run through the Northeast, I can’t imagine they would try for two nights. Come to think of it, they only played one Boston show in 2010... I wonder if they could even sell out a single night at Fenway if they had other northeast dates around it.
When do NHL/NBA schedules usually come out? That would be who they have to work around if they tour in Oct/Nov
Tickets said 6:30 for a reason. Bands that play Fenway often start earlier than they do in other venues. PJ has struggled with that.
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