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Get_Right

Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?

Sheets Of Clay

Get_Right said:

Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?

2011

dimitrispearljam

100 Pacer said:

Indifference said:

pjl44 said:

100 Pacer said:

pjl44 said:

100 Pacer said:

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bgirl59 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Lerxst1992 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Brisk. said:

how sure are we NYC is getting a show on 3/30?

I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently

.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.

NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably  for Baltimore 

A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available  as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.

Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows

  Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...

My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ. 

Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.

If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)

tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.

There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers 

Yes there are.

Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.

I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.

I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.

Here is an article citing @200K in 2013.  

https://www.inc.com/3-superfan-strategies-from-pearl-jam.html

Nice find - that’s the article I was thinking of. I was close.

 I remember the one u taking about. He was talkig about how  we don't see ten club member as a number and active member are around 250k

My guess now is there are around 300k now active members 

dimitrispearljam

Get_Right said:

Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?

2011, Jimmy fallow show. Played first time ever ole, first time ever cover pink Floyd mother and played all night. I was at the studio 

gotthebottle

dimitrispearljam said:

Let's do this 


https://youtu.be/eIixVZ1y2zo

One of my favorite shows that I've been to (so everyone don't attack and say it's not as great as (blank) or (blank) was better set list.)
Remember...THE BEST SHOW IS THE ONE YOU'RE AT!!

Get_Right

dimitrispearljam said:

Get_Right said:

Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?

2011, Jimmy fallow show. Played first time ever ole, first time ever cover pink Floyd mother and played all night. I was at the studio 

Remember that for sure.  Could not forget you in the stands!  So hopefully that is not the plan for 2020.

incidental immortality

Lerxst1992 said:

bgirl59 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Lerxst1992 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Brisk. said:

how sure are we NYC is getting a show on 3/30?

I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently

.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.

NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably  for Baltimore 

A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available  as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.

Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows

  Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...

My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ. 

Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.

If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)

tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.

I'm not sure how many members truly understand what the odds tool tells you.  It gives a good indication on the demand for a specific show but it really doesn't give you an accurate idea of your likelihood of winning tickets.  This is because the odds only compare the number of total entries for a show versus the number of tickets available.  

If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%.  Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool.  But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).  

For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show.  The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools.  That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets.  The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%.  But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.  

pjl44

Indifference said:

pjl44 said:

100 Pacer said:

pjl44 said:

100 Pacer said:

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bgirl59 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Lerxst1992 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Brisk. said:

how sure are we NYC is getting a show on 3/30?

I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently

.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.

NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably  for Baltimore 

A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available  as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.

Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows

  Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...

My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ. 

Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.

If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)

tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.

There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers 

Yes there are.

Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.

I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.

I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.

Here is an article citing @200K in 2013.  

https://www.inc.com/3-superfan-strategies-from-pearl-jam.html

Interesting! I stand corrected.

dimitrispearljam

Get_Right said:

dimitrispearljam said:

Get_Right said:

Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?

2011, Jimmy fallow show. Played first time ever ole, first time ever cover pink Floyd mother and played all night. I was at the studio 

Remember that for sure.  Could not forget you in the stands!  So hopefully that is not the plan for 2020.

It's not the plan, no

gotthebottle

incidental immortality said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bgirl59 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Lerxst1992 said:

SpinTheLastExit said:

Brisk. said:

how sure are we NYC is getting a show on 3/30?

I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently

.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.

NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably  for Baltimore 

A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available  as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.

Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows

  Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...

My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ. 

Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.

If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)

tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.

I'm not sure how many members truly understand what the odds tool tells you.  It gives a good indication on the demand for a specific show but it really doesn't give you an accurate idea of your likelihood of winning tickets.  This is because the odds only compare the number of total entries for a show versus the number of tickets available.  

If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%.  Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool.  But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).  

For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show.  The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools.  That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets.  The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%.  But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.  

YES!! That's why I keep telling people...If you REALLY want a show in a hard to get city,  put it as your first choice and don't worry about the others just yet. 

Get_Right

dimitrispearljam said:

Get_Right said:

dimitrispearljam said:

Get_Right said:

Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?

2011, Jimmy fallow show. Played first time ever ole, first time ever cover pink Floyd mother and played all night. I was at the studio 

Remember that for sure.  Could not forget you in the stands!  So hopefully that is not the plan for 2020.

It's not the plan, no

Thank you my good man! You coming to the states?

Weston1283

If things wind up as rumored, I’ll be putting in for Baltimore #1 and then plan on attending Nashville, StLouis, Ottawa and Quebec City as well

mcgruff10

Bentleyspop said:

Lost In Ohio said:

given2fly23 said:

gotthebottle said:

It's sad how many people can't read the directions and make mistakes and get things they didn't want....

And screw over fans who desperately wanted those tickets.

Exactly. You know it's gonna happen within 24 hours of the lotto window closing:

"Help! I didn't want both LA nights and the San Diego night! My boss says I can't take that much time off work...I thought I could only win one night. If I email 10C, do you think they could help??"

Meanwhile, 15 threads: "ISO SD GA or seats."

Don't forget all the song request threads

Hey those already started!!

Bunting10

dimitrispearljam said:

Let's do this 


https://youtu.be/eIixVZ1y2zo

The second OK hint.  The missing city is Oklahoma City or Tulsa is my guess.

Weston1283

Bunting10 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

Let's do this 


https://youtu.be/eIixVZ1y2zo

The second OK hint.  The missing city is Oklahoma City or Tulsa is my guess.

I’d say no on Tulsa.  That arena was the emptiest I’ve seen a PJ show in my 37 shows.  Don’t think they’d return that soon after that kind of turnout 

erebus

Dimi had a bunch of “U”’s highlighted in a post the other day.... could it be a hint for Utah?

Bunting10

Weston1283 said:

Bunting10 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

Let's do this 


https://youtu.be/eIixVZ1y2zo

The second OK hint.  The missing city is Oklahoma City or Tulsa is my guess.

I’d say no on Tulsa.  That arena was the emptiest I’ve seen a PJ show in my 37 shows.  Don’t think they’d return that soon after that kind of turnout 

Or it’s just a Let’s Go because an announcement is coming and that clip was from Toronto.  The other OK hint probably wasn’t one, when I look back at it.

Weston1283

Texas and Utah were ruled out.  It’s likely not Oklahoma.

Missing city has to be Albuquerque or Vegas.  Not sure which other cities could be in play with the 2 above states ruled out.

jets521

where can one find Dimi's hints/rumored dates without sifting through 170 pages of this thread?

Weston1283

jets521 said:

where can one find Dimi's hints/rumored dates without sifting through 170 pages of this thread?

Toronto 3/18
Ottawa/QBC 3/20
Ottawa/QBC 3/22
Hamilton 3/24
Baltimore 3/28
NYC 3/30

Nashville 4/2
St. Louis 4/4

Denver 4/6

Phoenix - date unknown 

SD 4/13

LA 4/15 - not confirmed
LA 4/16 - not confirmed 
Oakland 4/18 - not confirmed 
Oakland 4/19 - not confirmed