California to ban suspensions for disruptive students
mace1229
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This bill is a great example why our schools continue to fail. No longer hold kids accountable. If the governor signs this bill, kids will not be allowed to be suspended for willful disobedience. They can be as defiant and disruptive as they want, and as long as they are not violent they can’t be suspended. But hey, who cares about the other 30-40 kids in the room and their right to learn.
I hope someone uses the parents of the disruptive kids for the cost of a private education. Maybe they’ll learn the .
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article234448652.html
I hope someone uses the parents of the disruptive kids for the cost of a private education. Maybe they’ll learn the .
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article234448652.html
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Well California just said "Hold my beer."
I don't see the logic in this and all I can get out of t is that you(kids) can do whatever you want and it will be ok.
Am I reading this right? Am I missing something?
Teachers retain the ability to suspend for disruptive behavior and they are encouraging alternate discipline and behavior modification techniques. When implemented by LA Unified School District suspensions went down and graduation rates went up.
And with full suspensions being under the microscope, districts will be less willing to even do that.
The alternative methods suggested are things like Restorative Justice, which essentially boils down to having a conversation and asking the student why he feels the need to throw scissors and ask the teacher what can he do to make kids not feel the need to throw scissors. In my opinion it is a joke for any real discipline problems.
I don't understand what there is to garumph about in this, I can't help but feel like it's a classic "just read the headline, getoffa my lawn" scenario.
And I worked in LA school district for 4 years. I learned you can’t rely on graduation data. They fudge numbers and it’s easy to make it look a lot higher than it is.
"provide alternatives to suspension or expulsion, using a research-based framework with strategies that improve behavioral and academic outcomes, that are age appropriate and designed to address and correct the pupil’s specific misbehavior,”
There isn't any alternatives put in place as of yet so it forces whom, teachers or admins, to come up with these alternatives?
We want an all inclusive world but in reality that doesn't always work. Some people can't be taught and others are just dicks. Now the school(s) need to focus a lot of resources and money towards solving something else?
I don't know man. Not liking the taste of this kool-aid.
I'm all for reducing out of school suspensions. I do think removing a kid from the classroom and having an in-school suspension should be an alternative. You need to be able to remove a distraction from the classroom that while may not affect graduation rates, is affecting the ability of other kids to achieve to their highest potential.
I'm curious to see how our more prestigious universities look in 10 years or so. My prediction would be that Asians and Europeans comprise more of their student populations than Americans as our public school administrations continue to throw things at the blackboard to see what sticks.
I wouldn't really care if I didn't have kids of my own in the system. I have no sense of pride in my country or anything like that. The smarter kids should get into the best schools. And it ain't going to be my kids with the way things are going. I've thought about quitting my job and homeschooling them, but I don't really think that I possess the patience to do so.
Knowing the US, though, we'll likely apply affirmative action type policies to get our adorable little American doofuses into the good schools so that we can add more to our student loan debt problem.
-EV 8/14/93
So I moved near Denver where after some strikes they have decent pay. But I found out last week my district does not suspend for behavior problems.
I was told by the admin they were threatened with lawsuits by the ACLU because the district is primarily minorities, and so suspensions were seen as us being racist. I started to question if I made the right decision to move, because after a student was defiant, refused to sit in his seat, threw paper towels at another student, threw scissors in the room all in 1 day, I was told beyond calling home there wasn't really anything else to be done. We are teaching these kids they don't have to obey authority or follow rules. No wonder when I go to McDonald's down the street it is not uncommon to see some new-hire talk back to the manager in front of the customers. That is what we are teaching them to do. The ACLU is threatening a lawsuit for the rights of the 1 disruptive kid, but then they ignore the rights of the other 30 in the class. How is that fair? Like I said before I would love to see a lawsuit against the parents of the disruptive kid for infringing on the education rights of the other 30 in class. I know that would never happen, but it would make me smile if I saw it.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Have you stepped into an inner-city school? Do you know what goes on there?
Maybe this could have been in the California thread, but in my opinion most of the country is heading this way. And is a sign of how bad our education system is. To me that is very important, who would fake outrage over what is being tolerated in schools today?
La, Chicago, Denver, Baltimore and many more cities are suffering from the same problem. And instead of dealing with it, they just turn away.
I went down a rabbit hole and found myself on a website called "Queerty" reading the comments about the comedy special. Most people reacted to one part of the show and not the context of the whole show.
Off topic, sorry...
some kids will be a lost cause. I don't know what the answer is for those kids. But the vast majority I'm sure can be helped and educated successfully.
-EV 8/14/93
It's not fake outrage, dignin. It's another move that makes being a teacher a harder job and being a parent a less responsible job. Yes, on paper, teachers can still suspend up to 2 days but the intent of the bill is to make it harder for teachers to deal with kids who have been screwed up by shitty parenting. How much time and under what circumstances have you worked in public schools? If you have, and it went well, you are in a small minority.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"