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*** GUNS N' ROSES ***

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,574
    edited July 28
    Zod said:
    It did feel like GNR has their demand stuck between arenas and stadiums.  They can easily sell out an arena, but they're leaving money on floor. On the flip side if they play a stadium outside the biggest cities, they don't sell out.  What do you do when your demand is 30000 or 40000 tickets.  10000 or 20000 bigger than an arena but 10 or 20000 less than a smaller stadium.

    I kind of like that GNR went for some stadiums.  No issue getting tickets.

    I do agree it'll be tough to keep that up at the priced they were charging.   Probably settle into a hybrid model of Arenas with some stadiums mixed in for the super big US cities.

    I do wonder if they'll ever put out new music.  As fun as the shows are Axl doesn't really sound like his AFD or UYI self.  I am curious if they can pull it off.
    play multiple nights. 

    I've read they've been writing. but that was pre-pandemic and we all know what a perfectionist Axl is, and how long CD took to release. hopefully being in collaboration again would change that. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • ZodZod Posts: 7,794
    Zod said:
    It did feel like GNR has their demand stuck between arenas and stadiums.  They can easily sell out an arena, but they're leaving money on floor. On the flip side if they play a stadium outside the biggest cities, they don't sell out.  What do you do when your demand is 30000 or 40000 tickets.  10000 or 20000 bigger than an arena but 10 or 20000 less than a smaller stadium.

    I kind of like that GNR went for some stadiums.  No issue getting tickets.

    I do agree it'll be tough to keep that up at the priced they were charging.   Probably settle into a hybrid model of Arenas with some stadiums mixed in for the super big US cities.

    I do wonder if they'll ever put out new music.  As fun as the shows are Axl doesn't really sound like his AFD or UYI self.  I am curious if they can pull it off.
    play multiple nights. 

    I've read they've been writing. but that was pre-pandemic and we all know what a perfectionist Axl is, and how long CD took to release. hopefully being in collaboration again would change that. 

    lol.. these bands aren't getting any younger, and Axl's voice can already be a struggle.  I find the "more nights" argument to not always be a great one.  Mostly because I don't think the solution for most older bands is to spend more time on the road.  As they get older it becomes... how can be we play in front of as many fans as possible with the least amount of dates...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,574
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    It did feel like GNR has their demand stuck between arenas and stadiums.  They can easily sell out an arena, but they're leaving money on floor. On the flip side if they play a stadium outside the biggest cities, they don't sell out.  What do you do when your demand is 30000 or 40000 tickets.  10000 or 20000 bigger than an arena but 10 or 20000 less than a smaller stadium.

    I kind of like that GNR went for some stadiums.  No issue getting tickets.

    I do agree it'll be tough to keep that up at the priced they were charging.   Probably settle into a hybrid model of Arenas with some stadiums mixed in for the super big US cities.

    I do wonder if they'll ever put out new music.  As fun as the shows are Axl doesn't really sound like his AFD or UYI self.  I am curious if they can pull it off.
    play multiple nights. 

    I've read they've been writing. but that was pre-pandemic and we all know what a perfectionist Axl is, and how long CD took to release. hopefully being in collaboration again would change that. 

    lol.. these bands aren't getting any younger, and Axl's voice can already be a struggle.  I find the "more nights" argument to not always be a great one.  Mostly because I don't think the solution for most older bands is to spend more time on the road.  As they get older it becomes... how can be we play in front of as many fans as possible with the least amount of dates...
    yeah I suppose you're right. his rendition of Black Hole Sun was proof enough of that. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 15,246
    Yep. I've seen Slash a few times with Myles Kennedy singing. I know the GN'R tunes with Axl aren't going to sound as good. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    It did feel like GNR has their demand stuck between arenas and stadiums.  They can easily sell out an arena, but they're leaving money on floor. On the flip side if they play a stadium outside the biggest cities, they don't sell out.  What do you do when your demand is 30000 or 40000 tickets.  10000 or 20000 bigger than an arena but 10 or 20000 less than a smaller stadium.

    I kind of like that GNR went for some stadiums.  No issue getting tickets.

    I do agree it'll be tough to keep that up at the priced they were charging.   Probably settle into a hybrid model of Arenas with some stadiums mixed in for the super big US cities.

    I do wonder if they'll ever put out new music.  As fun as the shows are Axl doesn't really sound like his AFD or UYI self.  I am curious if they can pull it off.
    play multiple nights. 

    I've read they've been writing. but that was pre-pandemic and we all know what a perfectionist Axl is, and how long CD took to release. hopefully being in collaboration again would change that. 

    lol.. these bands aren't getting any younger, and Axl's voice can already be a struggle.  I find the "more nights" argument to not always be a great one.  Mostly because I don't think the solution for most older bands is to spend more time on the road.  As they get older it becomes... how can be we play in front of as many fans as possible with the least amount of dates...
    Gosh, do you have any examples of that, where we can all identify?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    I hate stadium shows.  Unfortunately that's how it works with some bands.  The Stones are a great example.  90% of seats in a stadium are worse than the worst arena seat. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,574
    mrussel1 said:
    I hate stadium shows.  Unfortunately that's how it works with some bands.  The Stones are a great example.  90% of seats in a stadium are worse than the worst arena seat. 
    a buddy from Vancouver was here on vacation and he was at one of the Seattle home shows. he said he literally couldn't even see the band (without help of the big screens) on stage he was so far away. what's the point?
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    mrussel1 said:
    I hate stadium shows.  Unfortunately that's how it works with some bands.  The Stones are a great example.  90% of seats in a stadium are worse than the worst arena seat. 
    a buddy from Vancouver was here on vacation and he was at one of the Seattle home shows. he said he literally couldn't even see the band (without help of the big screens) on stage he was so far away. what's the point?
    I'm with you.  I was lucky enough to be in the pit both nights in Seattle and at Missoula.  I would not have made the trip if I was in any of the seats.  I don't mind ampitheaters, but I love arena shows.  They are the best and it's not close for me. 
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 18,404
    So they played a new song at Fenway?
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,574
    dankind said:
    So they played a new song at Fenway?
    if you are referring to Absurd, it's not technically new. they haven't played it in 20 years, and it used to be knows as Silkworms
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 18,404
    dankind said:
    So they played a new song at Fenway?
    if you are referring to Absurd, it's not technically new. they haven't played it in 20 years, and it used to be knows as Silkworms
    Ah. Saw a bad headline. 

    More big whoop. 
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 23,932
    edited August 6
    Formlerly known as Silkworms. Played in 2001.

    Studio version of the new version with the new name:


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 18,404
    Formlerly known as Silkworms. Played in 2001.

    Studio version of the new version with the new name:


    dankind said:

     big whoop. 

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    Yeah, play It's So Easy twice instead.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,574
    tough crowd
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,933
    Love the riff....vocal style doesn't work for me.  Could have been a much better song overall
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 23,932
    Weird hearing Axl try a british accent (?). Guess The Prodigy was a big influence in the end of the 90s for him...

    Sounds like he tries to sing it Firestarter-style. 

    I dig the aggressive sound of it though.

    But they should have released Hard Skool instead. They have been soundchecking that one also, at all the three shows of their tour.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 15,246
    It seems like at this point they would be better off reworking something to be slower and softer. Try to accommodate Axl's voice as best they can. No rocker from 20 years ago is going to sound great today given the limitations. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,437
    show day!!!!!
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 23,932
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    HOPING

    FOR 

    HARD SKOOL.


    For not being able to sing anymore, It's cool to see in closeups Axl actually giving it all with his limitations. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    Where is it?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 23,932
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    Where is it?
    Detroit
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    Where is it?
    Detroit
    Nice.  I saw them at the Silverdome with Metallica and Faith. You probably weren't born,  lucky bastard.
  • ZodZod Posts: 7,794
    mrussel1 said:
    I hate stadium shows.  Unfortunately that's how it works with some bands.  The Stones are a great example.  90% of seats in a stadium are worse than the worst arena seat. 

    Stadium shows are great if you're up front, and yes they kind of suck when you're sitting very very far away :(  We generally have a get good tickets or bust mantra on stadium shows...
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 23,932
    ABSURD or OLÉ

    Which one is the best?
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  • BIGDaddyWilBIGDaddyWil MichiganPosts: 2,689
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    Where is it?
    Detroit
    Nice.  I saw them at the Silverdome with Metallica and Faith. You probably weren't born,  lucky bastard.
    I was at that Silverdome show as well! Still have the ticket stub somewhere.  I hardly remember the show, smoked too much of the Devil's lettuce.  The only thing I recall was that there was a super long break between Metallica and GNR's set.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    Where is it?
    Detroit
    Nice.  I saw them at the Silverdome with Metallica and Faith. You probably weren't born,  lucky bastard.
    I was at that Silverdome show as well! Still have the ticket stub somewhere.  I hardly remember the show, smoked too much of the Devil's lettuce.  The only thing I recall was that there was a super long break between Metallica and GNR's set.
    Yeah there was.  It was also weird that Metallica played during the daylight so the whole dome was bright. It was kind of strange, almost like an outdoor show.  If I remember, that was a show where the guitar tech had to play for Hetfield because of the burned arm.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,437
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    show day!!!!!
    Where is it?

    Comerica Park
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,437
    edited August 8

    Post edited by mickeyrat on
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,529
    Nice!  Enjoy the show!
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