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The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,786
    brianlux said:
    As per the above last few posts, at what point do we say, "Enough! , from now on I'm voting for the strong environmental candidates?  (In other words, Green Party or similar candidates.)

    I know, a lot of people are going to say, "But why do that?  Why throw your vote away on a candidate that is going to lose anyway?"  
    Perhaps the response to that could be, "Yes, true, as long as people keep voting for candidates that are not truly committed to improving environment, Green Party candidates and the like will lose and so will the environment, and so will we.  You get what you vote for."

    And then the day will come when more and more people are dying due to extreme weather events, and when suburbs become unsustainable, and more and more parts of the oceans experience ecological collapse, and when food becomes more and more scarce, and when clean water becomes more difficult to obtain.  How far off is all that?  And will we wait until all that happens and then say, "Ah fuck!  Why didn't we vote in candidates that are strong on environmental protection?"

    What are we waiting for?
    you know what Brian? you're right. I'll check out the platform of my green party and see what my options are for the upcoming federal election. 

    :plus_one:             

    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,076
    A massive cat 4 hurricane with gusts up to 180 mph slams into New Orleans and reports are tragic that six lives were lost.


    the storm travels 1200 miles over land, “weakens” and  gets downgraded to a tropical depression, but intensifies as it reaches the northeast in an unprecedented manner, and 43 lives are lost in the NYC region.

    this seems impossible. Out of curiosity I checked the ocean temp near where Ida was able to pull in ocean moisture in Cape May, NJ during the storm…nearly 80 degrees, almost five degrees greater than the average water temp for 9/2 over the past ten years. Ida got close to the ocean in NJ and fell in love with her tropical waters. NJ, the new Caribbean destination.

    two record breaking rain events for NY metro in a week. Yet we will hear the senate tell us later this month climate change is science fiction.




    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi06bLj6uHyAhWAF1kFHXl3BxQQxfQBMAJ6BAgJEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Fus-news%2Flive-blog%2Fhurricane-ida-live-updates-8-31-n1278111&usg=AOvVaw0r1gX50fEexrl2DWOLZl5j


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjzrszA6-HyAhXmYN8KHRooC64QxfQBMAB6BAgLEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Flive%2F2021%2F09%2F02%2Fnyregion%2Fnyc-storm&usg=AOvVaw2LR1Uvi-kHXmXtaXhRuyfq
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,786
    edited September 3
    A massive cat 4 hurricane with gusts up to 180 mph slams into New Orleans and reports are tragic that six lives were lost.


    the storm travels 1200 miles over land, “weakens” and  gets downgraded to a tropical depression, but intensifies as it reaches the northeast in an unprecedented manner, and 43 lives are lost in the NYC region.

    this seems impossible. Out of curiosity I checked the ocean temp near where Ida was able to pull in ocean moisture in Cape May, NJ during the storm…nearly 80 degrees, almost five degrees greater than the average water temp for 9/2 over the past ten years. Ida got close to the ocean in NJ and fell in love with her tropical waters. NJ, the new Caribbean destination.

    two record breaking rain events for NY metro in a week. Yet we will hear the senate tell us later this month climate change is science fiction.




    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi06bLj6uHyAhWAF1kFHXl3BxQQxfQBMAJ6BAgJEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Fus-news%2Flive-blog%2Fhurricane-ida-live-updates-8-31-n1278111&usg=AOvVaw0r1gX50fEexrl2DWOLZl5j


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjzrszA6-HyAhXmYN8KHRooC64QxfQBMAB6BAgLEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Flive%2F2021%2F09%2F02%2Fnyregion%2Fnyc-storm&usg=AOvVaw2LR1Uvi-kHXmXtaXhRuyfq

    "Yet we will hear the senate tell us later this month climate change is science fiction." 
    That's crazy!  Someone in the Senate believes this?  If you have them, could you provide some links on this*.  I'd like to know who in the Senate is that far out to lunch.
    We've talked about this before so I'm sure we all know that local weather is not the same as global climate.  So when we take into account all the extreme weather related incidents across the planet, including the huge amount of ice loss, I'm not sure how anyone could deny climate change at this point unless they are simply crazy or trolling the world.
    *Edit, even better, if you can, maybe just copy and paste some of the info.  Thanks!
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 28,135
    So we have had two torrential down pours here in NY this summer.  The city and it's surrounding are just not made to withstand 5" or more of rain.  

    If you've ever lived in the desert and saw a storm happen there then that is what is happening here.  Too much water too fast with nowhere to go.  The streets become small rivers, low lying areas become lakes and the subways become the drain in a bath tub.

    Mind you I spent the last few years installing things around the city to prevent the subways from flooding but the city has yet to deploy them.
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,748
    I have been through three 100 to 1000 year events in the past five years.  I should play the lottery. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,786
    I have been through three 100 to 1000 year events in the past five years.  I should play the lottery. 

    And win so you can go somewhere safe!
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,425
     By Ian Livingston

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/09/03/hurricane-ida-numbers-surge-wind-pressure-damage/



     Ida’s impact from the Gulf Coast to Northeast — by the numbers
    By Ian Livingston
    September 03 at 11:17 AM ET
    Hurricane Ida made landfall near Port Fourchon, La., as a strengthening Category 4 storm with maximum sustained winds of 150 mph. Just shy of a Category 5, Ida delivered a disastrous blow on arrival, coinciding with the 16-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
    But Ida held its most devastating punch for its departure, triggering one of the worst urban flood disasters in U.S. history in the Northeast.
    The storm and its remnants have caused almost four dozen confirmed fatalities, the majority due to flooding in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Connecticut. This death toll is expected to rise.
    The name Ida will almost surely be retired due to its costs to life and property. It was the sixth named storm to make landfall in the United States during the 2021 season, which is still approaching its peak.
    [In the history of hurricane names, ‘I’ stands for infamous]
    Below, we’ve compiled Ida’s key stats to date.
    First (tied) — Ida’s rank in Louisiana’s hurricane history for winds
    With sustained winds of 150 mph at landfall, Ida tied the Last Island Hurricane in 1856 and Hurricane Laura in 2020 as the strongest to strike Louisiana, based on wind speed. The sequence of Laura and Ida marked the first time any state has seen two 150 mph hurricane landfalls in consecutive years.
    Ida also tied as the fifth-strongest storm to make landfall anywhere in the United States, based on wind speed.
    Ida’s registered a peak wind gust of 172 mph, near the landfall point in Port Fourchon.
    [Before and after images show the devastation from Hurricane Ida]
    3 days — Ida went from a mass of showers to a strong Category 4 hurricane
    In a warming world, it is expected that more tropical systems will feed off warmer water to undergo rapid intensification, defined as at least a 35 mph gain over 24 hours. Ida turned from showers to a monster 150 mph hurricane in three days. In its final day over water, Ida gained 65 mph, tying it with Humberto in 2007 for the most significant intensification burst into landfall, according to the Associated Press.
    [How climate change helped make Hurricane Ida one of Louisiana’s worst]
    Six — Number of states where tornadoes touched down
    Tornadoes are a typical aspect of tropical systems, especially when storms come out of the Gulf of Mexico and meander over land afterward. At least six states, stretching from the Mississippi coast to Cape Cod in Massachusetts, saw tornado touchdowns. Several people were injured in Alabama shortly after landfall.
    [New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland slammed by tornadoes from Ida’s remnants]
    On Sept. 1, Ida’s remnants delivered a regional tornado outbreak to the northern Mid-Atlantic. Several tornadoes in this part of the event were unusually strong for tropical remnants, probably in part due to the storm transitioning to an extratropical system featuring a warm front and a cold front.
    Among the tornadoes assessed thus far, the one that passed through Mullica Hill, N.J., about 10 miles south of Philadelphia, received an EF3 rating on the 0 to 5 scale for intensity, the strongest to hit the state in 31 years. Farther south, an EF2 struck portions of Annapolis, the capital of Maryland.
    [Inside the Annapolis tornado: How Ida powered this destructive storm]
    Seven — Number of major hurricanes that have hit the Lower 48 and Puerto Rico since 2017
    Between Hurricane Wilma in late 2005 and Hurricane Harvey in 2017, no hurricanes higher than a Category 2 hit the United States or Puerto Rico. But including Harvey, there have been seven Category 3-plus “major” hurricane strikes since. In addition to the rare Category 5 in Michael, Ida was the fifth Category 4 of the bunch to make landfall; four of them came ashore along the Gulf Coast.
    2020 marked a record-breaking year, with 11 U.S. landfalls of named tropical systems. Ida was the sixth named storm to make landfall in the country in 2021, setting up another high landfall year for the United States
    9 hours — Time from landfall to Ida dropping below Category 3
    Most hurricanes rapidly weaken once they hit land, but Ida remained a major hurricane for nine hours. Ida made first landfall around 12:55 p.m. Five hours later, it was still a Category 4 with 130 mph winds. It didn’t drop below major hurricane status until 9 p.m., finally becoming a tropical storm sometime before 4 a.m. the day after landfall.
    This super slow decrease in intensity was probably due to southern Louisiana marshlands being overcome with warm surge water, plus the fact that it was strengthening until it came ashore.
    10-plus feet — Storm surge inundated coastal areas
    Storm surge heights between about eight feet and 10 feet have been observed. It is likely that higher surge occurred in areas with no easy way to measure it, and post-storm analysis will seek out those heights. Maximum forecasts were for a surge of 12 to 16 feet. Waves offshore were measured by satellite to be as high as 38 feet.
    The Mississippi River reversed flow for around three hours as surge was pushed out of the ocean, but the major levee improvements in New Orleans after Katrina withstood the test.
    [In hardest slam since Katrina, New Orleans’s levees stand firm]
    17 inches — Ida’s rain flooded areas around New Orleans, Philadelphia and New York City
    Radar estimates of up to about 17 inches were recorded just west of New Orleans. A station eight miles south-southeast of Slidell, La., tallied 15.73 inches, the maximum recorded by a ground station thus far, with 10-inch-plus numbers common in that region.
    As Ida moved toward the Northeast, a widespread three to eight inches of rain was reported from northern Maryland through southern New England.
    Newark picked up 8.44 inches, its wettest day on record, with Central Park in New York City coming in at 7.19 inches, its fifth-wettest day. Record-setting rainfall rates of three inches or more in an hour caused devastating flooding.
    [Here’s what made the New York City flooding so devastating]
    The torrents triggered flash-flood emergency declarations from south-central Pennsylvania to southern New England, including the first issued in New York City.
    River levels surged because of the deluge. The Schuylkill River in Philadelphia rose to 16.35 feet, its second-highest level on record. Evan Dethier, a postdoctoral fellow at Dartmouth College, found seven rivers in the Northeast recorded all-time peak floods while 55 recorded floods ranking in the top five.


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 28,135
    Deblasio the Mayor for NYC has stated that these events(recent torrential downpours of 5+ inches) are the norm now and they will do a better job of warning the people.

    If anyone saw what happened in Jersey and NYC and this is the new normal?

    Good luck everyone.  You'll need flood insurance on higher ground.

    Crazy.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,786
    Deblasio the Mayor for NYC has stated that these events(recent torrential downpours of 5+ inches) are the norm now and they will do a better job of warning the people.

    If anyone saw what happened in Jersey and NYC and this is the new normal?

    Good luck everyone.  You'll need flood insurance on higher ground.

    Crazy.

    This leads to a topic that we will probably all be considering something more or more in the near future, if not already:  How to prepare for and react to the affects of climate change.
    Pretty much anyone with a half way functional brain now recognizes that climate change is real (interesting and tragic how it took so long for that acceptance to happen), so now the question is, what are people doing in response to this new reality?  My wife and I, for example, are having to face the reality that if we do not move, we will be sucking really bad air into our lungs for at least four months out of each year and during those months will also have to live with the anxiety of a the possibility of a devastating wildfire hitting our neighborhood.
    But how many of us have the means to move and where are we going to move to anyway?  All the "good" spots are going to be taken by the wealthiest among us and many among us cannot move due to one's employment situation.  So if a person or family are not able to move, will they be able to protect themselves from catastrophe?  Will they be able to attain or even afford fire, flood, or hurricane insurance?  And if not, how will they recover if a fire, flood, or hurricane hits their home?
    And what will the widespread affect be of more and more people losing their home and or belongings and not having the ability to recover?
    This is why I insist that having a child in today's world makes little or no sense.  I know that sounds off-topic, but I know a few people who are pregnant or planning on having a baby and I find mind self automatically concerned that these kids are being brought into a world  will find it very, very difficult to navigate through life by the time they are adults. 
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










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