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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    Why Joe, WHY?

    Extreme heat warnings in effect in 28 states across US

    100 million Americans are enduring searing temperatures as Biden declines to announce a climate emergency



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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.
    Well, that probably made it easier to clean off the seat when the lights came back on, right?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,964
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?

    TMI?  Ahhhhhhhhh!  Acronyyyyyyyyyyyyymmmmmmmmmms!!!
    :lol:
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
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    I have no idea WTF a TMI is.  :lol:

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    brianlux said:
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    I have no idea WTF a TMI is.  :lol:

    Too Much Information
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    brianlux said:
    Andy Richter Raise Hand GIF by Team Coco - Find  Share on GIPHY
    I have no idea WTF a TMI is.  :lol:

    Too Much Information

    Doh!  Of course, lol!
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 6,353
    Not sure where to put this but I’m enjoying the recent trend of shaming celebrities for their private jet usage. No surprise, they’re usually the biggest hypocrites. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    haha. I thought it was just common sense, honestly. anyone who knows they are physically dehydrated (like after working out or a night of drinking) and then see that...how could they not make that connection?

    I'm certainly not surrounded by scholars. a few that think they are, but no real ones. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,601
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    I've never worked at a construction site, but definitely aware that the yellower your pee, the more dehydrated you likely are.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    Common information that you are taught.  How about Joe at the office?

    Just pointing out that it wasn't always common knowledge..
  • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    Common information that you are taught.  How about Joe at the office?

    Just pointing out that it wasn't always common knowledge..
    lol you asked hugh if he got that information by being surrounded by scholars.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    nicknyr15 said:
    Not sure where to put this but I’m enjoying the recent trend of shaming celebrities for their private jet usage. No surprise, they’re usually the biggest hypocrites. 

    Yeah, that is so true.  I hate to say this, but feel the same way about big bands that travel with a fleet of trucks to do shows.  I'm going to see The Dream Syndicate in Sacramento tomorrow.  That band is celebrating it's 40 year this tour.  On Face Book, band leader Steve Wynn mentioned a recent rehearsal for the tour and then wrote, "Time to pack up the van!"
    Which uses less energy. this?

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    or this?

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    Common information that you are taught.  How about Joe at the office?

    Just pointing out that it wasn't always common knowledge..
    lol you asked hugh if he got that information by being surrounded by scholars.
    Yes, meaning that they were educated.  it was an attempt at a joke.
  • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    Common information that you are taught.  How about Joe at the office?

    Just pointing out that it wasn't always common knowledge..
    lol you asked hugh if he got that information by being surrounded by scholars.
    Yes, meaning that they were educated.  it was an attempt at a joke.
    ah well nuance is lost on the forums more often than not
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    Common information that you are taught.  How about Joe at the office?

    Just pointing out that it wasn't always common knowledge..
    lol you asked hugh if he got that information by being surrounded by scholars.
    Yes, meaning that they were educated.  it was an attempt at a joke.
    ah well nuance is lost on the forums more often than not
    Yeah I know.  I am quite funny usually.  I'll try harder, lol.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So yesterday I was out in this heat and nearly fell out...  I've been riding my bike and drinking what I thought was a good amount of water so I thought I'd be good all day.  For working in doors?  Sure.  For outdoors?  Not even close.  I downed 4 liters of water in a short period and peed once... And it was dark.

    I need to hydrate better,

    Be careful out there people.
    Why were you peeing in the dark? Did the power go out?
    My pee was dark you loon, lol.  Sign of dehydration.

    TMI
    You know how many people don't know that little tidbit?
    how could any adult not know that?
    I was talking about the darker pee...
    I know. how could any adult not know that?
    You must be surrounded by scholars then or give people way more credit than what they deserve.
    This is common information that is gone over almost weekly at any construction site, especially in the summer...not exactly scholars but well known among anyone that has worked in trades.
    Common information that you are taught.  How about Joe at the office?

    Just pointing out that it wasn't always common knowledge..
    lol you asked hugh if he got that information by being surrounded by scholars.
    Yes, meaning that they were educated.  it was an attempt at a joke.
    ah well nuance is lost on the forums more often than not
    Yeah I know.  I am quite funny usually.  I'll try harder, lol.

    oooh, umm please dont try, let it fall naturally. you may have more success....
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    I'm a bit hesitant to post this for concern over being seen as an alarmist or doomer.  I always try to remain hopeful, so those are not my M.O.  But I am curious what some of you think.  Does this writers premise sound likely?  Does he take it too far?  I really don't know.  Would be interested to see what some of you think:

    ‘Soon it will be unrecognisable’: total climate meltdown cannot be stopped, says expert

    Blistering heatwaves are just the start. We must accept how bad things are before we can head off global catastrophe, according to a leading UK scientist.
    The publication of Bill McGuire’s latest book, Hothouse Earth, could not be more timely. Appearing in the shops this week, it will be perused by sweltering customers who have just endured record high temperatures across the UK and now face the prospect of weeks of drought to add to their discomfort.

    And this is just the beginning, insists McGuire, who is emeritus professor of geophysical and climate hazards at University College London. As he makes clear in his uncompromising depiction of the coming climatic catastrophe, we have – for far too long – ignored explicit warnings that rising carbon emissions are dangerously heating the Earth. Now we are going to pay the price for our complacence in the form of storms, floods, droughts and heatwaves that will easily surpass current extremes.

    The crucial point, he argues, is that there is now no chance of us avoiding a perilous, all-pervasive climate breakdown. We have passed the point of no return and can expect a future in which lethal heatwaves and temperatures in excess of 50C (120F) are common in the tropics; where summers at temperate latitudes will invariably be baking hot, and where our oceans are destined to become warm and acidic. “A child born in 2020 will face a far more hostile world that its grandparents did,” McGuire insists.

    In this respect, the volcanologist, who was also a member of the UK government’s Natural Hazard Working Group, takes an extreme position. Most other climate experts still maintain we have time left, although not very much, to bring about meaningful reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. A rapid drive to net zero and the halting of global warming is still within our grasp, they say.

    Such claims are dismissed by McGuire. “I know a lot of people working in climate science who say one thing in public but a very different thing in private. In confidence, they are all much more scared about the future we face, but they won’t admit that in public. I call this climate appeasement and I believe it only makes things worse. The world needs to know how bad things are going to get before we can hope to start to tackle the crisis.”

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    brianlux said:
    I'm a bit hesitant to post this for concern over being seen as an alarmist or doomer.  I always try to remain hopeful, so those are not my M.O.  But I am curious what some of you think.  Does this writers premise sound likely?  Does he take it too far?  I really don't know.  Would be interested to see what some of you think:

    ‘Soon it will be unrecognisable’: total climate meltdown cannot be stopped, says expert

    Blistering heatwaves are just the start. We must accept how bad things are before we can head off global catastrophe, according to a leading UK scientist.
    The publication of Bill McGuire’s latest book, Hothouse Earth, could not be more timely. Appearing in the shops this week, it will be perused by sweltering customers who have just endured record high temperatures across the UK and now face the prospect of weeks of drought to add to their discomfort.

    And this is just the beginning, insists McGuire, who is emeritus professor of geophysical and climate hazards at University College London. As he makes clear in his uncompromising depiction of the coming climatic catastrophe, we have – for far too long – ignored explicit warnings that rising carbon emissions are dangerously heating the Earth. Now we are going to pay the price for our complacence in the form of storms, floods, droughts and heatwaves that will easily surpass current extremes.

    The crucial point, he argues, is that there is now no chance of us avoiding a perilous, all-pervasive climate breakdown. We have passed the point of no return and can expect a future in which lethal heatwaves and temperatures in excess of 50C (120F) are common in the tropics; where summers at temperate latitudes will invariably be baking hot, and where our oceans are destined to become warm and acidic. “A child born in 2020 will face a far more hostile world that its grandparents did,” McGuire insists.

    In this respect, the volcanologist, who was also a member of the UK government’s Natural Hazard Working Group, takes an extreme position. Most other climate experts still maintain we have time left, although not very much, to bring about meaningful reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. A rapid drive to net zero and the halting of global warming is still within our grasp, they say.

    Such claims are dismissed by McGuire. “I know a lot of people working in climate science who say one thing in public but a very different thing in private. In confidence, they are all much more scared about the future we face, but they won’t admit that in public. I call this climate appeasement and I believe it only makes things worse. The world needs to know how bad things are going to get before we can hope to start to tackle the crisis.”

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    More at link.
    Not alarmist at all. Realistic, unfortunately.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    brianlux said:
    I'm a bit hesitant to post this for concern over being seen as an alarmist or doomer.  I always try to remain hopeful, so those are not my M.O.  But I am curious what some of you think.  Does this writers premise sound likely?  Does he take it too far?  I really don't know.  Would be interested to see what some of you think:

    ‘Soon it will be unrecognisable’: total climate meltdown cannot be stopped, says expert

    Blistering heatwaves are just the start. We must accept how bad things are before we can head off global catastrophe, according to a leading UK scientist.
    The publication of Bill McGuire’s latest book, Hothouse Earth, could not be more timely. Appearing in the shops this week, it will be perused by sweltering customers who have just endured record high temperatures across the UK and now face the prospect of weeks of drought to add to their discomfort.

    And this is just the beginning, insists McGuire, who is emeritus professor of geophysical and climate hazards at University College London. As he makes clear in his uncompromising depiction of the coming climatic catastrophe, we have – for far too long – ignored explicit warnings that rising carbon emissions are dangerously heating the Earth. Now we are going to pay the price for our complacence in the form of storms, floods, droughts and heatwaves that will easily surpass current extremes.

    The crucial point, he argues, is that there is now no chance of us avoiding a perilous, all-pervasive climate breakdown. We have passed the point of no return and can expect a future in which lethal heatwaves and temperatures in excess of 50C (120F) are common in the tropics; where summers at temperate latitudes will invariably be baking hot, and where our oceans are destined to become warm and acidic. “A child born in 2020 will face a far more hostile world that its grandparents did,” McGuire insists.

    In this respect, the volcanologist, who was also a member of the UK government’s Natural Hazard Working Group, takes an extreme position. Most other climate experts still maintain we have time left, although not very much, to bring about meaningful reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. A rapid drive to net zero and the halting of global warming is still within our grasp, they say.

    Such claims are dismissed by McGuire. “I know a lot of people working in climate science who say one thing in public but a very different thing in private. In confidence, they are all much more scared about the future we face, but they won’t admit that in public. I call this climate appeasement and I believe it only makes things worse. The world needs to know how bad things are going to get before we can hope to start to tackle the crisis.”

    *************
    More at link.
    Not alarmist at all. Realistic, unfortunately.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,964
    Bri, definitely agree with "A child born in 2020 will face a far more hostile world that its grandparents did,” but I disagree we are past the point of no return.

    But....we need to end coal now, which may be near impossible.  When I talk to independents (those lovingly gas price voters) that's really one of two points that I tell them matters (the other being trump is a murderer of Americans).

    So forget electric cars, that tech is at least a decade away from doing anything. This species needs to end coal now.
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