All things NRA

Halifax2TheMax

Can you defend the NRA? Go ahead, I’m interested.

brianlux

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can you defend the NRA? Go ahead, I’m interested.

No can do, señor !

josevolution

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can you defend the NRA? Go ahead, I’m interested.

You don’t have to sell me I’d love for the NRA to totally burn down !

drakeheuer14

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can you defend the NRA? Go ahead, I’m interested.

You don’t have to sell me I’d love for the NRA to totally burn down !

If you support the use of fire, you are complicit with all arson 

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can you defend the NRA? Go ahead, I’m interested.

The NRA itself? No. Cant do that. If the reporting on the polling after Newtown and since is accurate? Much of the membership and other owners who say some type of reform is necessary and should be done, absolutely.

Those willing to come to the table have earned at least the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

Ole Wayne seems to be fleecing the membership. Thats the point of my starting this thread. The reporting is getting better on the internals.....

We'll see how things go since the ad firm got fired.....

mickeyrat

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/nra-splits-with-pr-firm-lobbyist-and-tv-amid-infighting/2019/06/26/ce32f204-9875-11e9-9a16-dc551ea5a43b_story.html?utm_term=.7c14abf7fe29

By Lisa Marie Pane | AP
June 26

Infighting at the National Rifle Association exploded Wednesday, when the powerful association severed ties with its longtime public relations firm, suspended operations of its fiery online TV station and lost its top lobbyist.

The latest turmoil emerged just a year before the critical 2020 presidential elections when the NRA’s ability to influence the outcome could decide the fate of gun rights.

Lobbyist Chris Cox, long viewed as the likely successor to longtime CEO Wayne LaPierre, was placed on administrative leave about a week ago by the NRA, which claimed he was part of a failed attempt to extort LaPierre and push him out.

It also came within hours of the association officially severing ties with Ackerman McQueen, the Oklahoma-based public relations firm that has shaped some of the NRA’s most memorable messages in the past decades.

Cox had been the executive director of the NRA’s lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, since 2002. He was credited with leading efforts to allow a decadelong ban on “assault weapons” to expire in 2004, an achievement that allowed the gun industry to resume selling what the industry calls “modern sporting rifles” and critics claim are used too often to exact mass carnage.

His resignation was confirmed by NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. No other comment was immediately made about his departure.

Cox did not immediately return a message seeking comment. However, when he was suspended, Cox said in a statement obtained by The New York Times that allegations he had been part of a group seeking LaPierre’s ouster were “offensive and patently false.”

“For 24 years I have been a loyal and effective leader in this organization,” he said.

Cox played his usual prominent role at the NRA’s annual meeting in Indianapolis in April, and there was little public evidence that he and LaPierre or the NRA’s board of directors were at odds. Infighting spilled out during what is normally a pep rally of sorts among gun-rights enthusiasts when Oliver North , then the NRA president, threatened to expose questionable personal and travel expenses unless LaPierre stepped down. Instead, LaPierre turned the tables on North and accused him of trying to extort him into submission.

Joel Friedman, a longtime NRA board member, told The Associated Press his first reaction when he heard that Cox was stepping down was surprise. He said he saw no indications during the annual meeting that Cox was in a dispute with LaPierre.

LaPierre announced Cox’s resignation in an email sent Wednesday to staff and NRA board members that was obtained by the AP. The letter also said an investigation will continue into allegations that North sought to extort LaPierre and that the storied Marine veteran was aided by Cox, a claim first laid out in a lawsuit filed June 19.

In the past few months, the NRA has filed several lawsuits against Ackerman McQueen, accusing it of refusing to document its billings and of seeking to undermine the association. Ackerman McQueen has countersued, claiming the NRA is trying to renege on its financial obligations and smear the public relations firm.

Last year, NRA began asking all of its vendors for detailed documentation about its billings after New York authorities began threatening to investigate the NRA’s nonprofit status. The NRA was founded shortly after the Civil War and is chartered in New York, giving that state broad authority to investigate its operations.

During its two decades by the NRA’s side, Ackerman McQueen was responsible for crafting the association’s aggressive messaging, including the now-famous “From my cold dead hands” line uttered by actor Charlton Heston in 2000 as he vowed to resist any effort to take away his guns. The line became a rallying cry for gun owners around the country.

Ackerman McQueen also created and operated NRATV. In a statement posted Wednesday on the NRA website, LaPierre said it would no longer be airing live programming and would be evaluating the station’s future. It wasn’t clear what would happen to its prominent hosts but there appeared to be no signs those on-air personalities, who are employees of Ackerman McQueen, would find spots at the NRA.

In a lawsuit, the NRA said some of its members had questioned NRATV’s weighing in on “topics far afield of the Second Amendment.”

In a statement Wednesday, Ackerman McQueen accused the NRA of trying to avoid its financial obligations by shuttering NRATV and implied its financial woes are partly the result of now paying for high-priced lawyers.

“When given the opportunity to do the right thing, the NRA once again has taken action that we believe is intended to harm our company even at the expense of the NRA itself,” the company said.

“For Ackerman McQueen, it is time to move on to a new chapter without the chaos that has enveloped the NRA,” the statement continued. “Ackerman McQueen will continue to fight against the NRA’s repeated violations of its agreement with our company with every legal remedy available to us, but we will always be proud of the work that we completed during our 38-year relationship on behalf of the individual citizens that are the NRA.”

mickeyrat

Now I wonder just who is meant to represent NRA in these inquiries into vendors and other expenditures by AMcQ....

It cant be Ole Wayne, can it? He was funneling a ton of shit through AMcQ.

mickeyrat

 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/us/nra-donors-wayne-lapierre.html?searchResultPosition=1

By Danny Hakim

    July 2, 2019

NASHVILLE — Even as the National Rifle Association has been consumed by relentless and increasingly public infighting, Wayne LaPierre has maintained a firm grip on its leadership.

Now one of the gun group’s major benefactors says he is preparing to lead an insurgency among wealthy contributors to oust Mr. LaPierre as chief executive, along with his senior leadership team. Such a rebellion would represent a troublesome new threat to Mr. LaPierre, as his organization’s finances and vaunted political machine are being strained amid a host of legal battles, most notably the New York attorney general’s investigation into its tax-exempt status.

David Dell’Aquila, the restive donor, said the N.R.A.’s internal warfare “has become a daily soap opera and it’s decaying and destroying the N.R.A. from within, and it needs to stop.” He added, “Even if these allegations regarding Mr. LaPierre and his leadership are false, he has become radioactive and must step down.”

Until that happens, Mr. Dell’Aquila, a retired technology consultant who has given roughly $100,000 to the N.R.A. in cash and gifts, said he would suspend donations — including his pledge of the bulk of an estate worth several million dollars.

He said he was among a network of wealthy N.R.A. donors who would cumulatively withhold more than $134 million in pledges, much of it earmarked years in advance through estate planning, and would soon give the gun group’s board a list of demands for reform.

That dollar figure could not be verified, however, and Mr. Dell’Aquila declined to provide a list of the other donors, who he said were not ready to go public. But a second prominent donor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is a senior firearms industry executive, said he was also suspending a plan to give more than $2 million from his estate, as well as halting other donations, and was backing Mr. Dell’Aquila’s effort.

“The donors are rebelling,” the executive said, adding that he believed that the leadership turmoil was “helping to destroy, temporarily, the strength of the N.R.A. as one of the strongest lobbying groups.”

The extent of any rebellion is difficult to discern, and the N.R.A. insisted it still had the firm backing of its donor base. Mr. LaPierre has also retained the support of the N.R.A.’s 76-member board, with fewer than a handful of public defections, and it would take a three-fourths vote by the board and one of its committees to oust him. But there have been signs of wavering grass-roots support, including a recent announcement by Greg Kinman, a gun enthusiast with more than four million followers on YouTube, that he was cutting ties with the N.R.A.

The turmoil of recent months has already stoked fear among some Republicans that the N.R.A.’s political potency could be blunted heading into the 2020 elections. In a tweet early Tuesday morning, President Trump assailed the investigation by the New York attorney general, Letitia James, saying the N.R.A. was “a victim of harassment by the A.G.”

Carolyn Meadows, the N.R.A.’s president, said in a statement that “we are disappointed whenever donors choose to suspend their support of the N.R.A., but we hope to win them back.” She added: “People may resist change, but they embrace progress. We’re experiencing that right now at the N.R.A. There’s an energy within the N.R.A. that is hard to describe — and we continue to earn the support of millions of loyal members.”

The group also provided statements from two of its largest donors, who are among those still backing Mr. LaPierre.

“We are sticking by the N.R.A.,” said Dr. John Thodos, an orthodontist who lives in Florida. “They are the No. 1 fighter for freedom.” John and Barbara Rumpel, Florida-based donors who have put their real estate in a trust to benefit the N.R.A., said they “support what Wayne and his team are doing.” They added, “Getting through this New York issue is the top priority for the N.R.A., and they’re working like heck to fight these malicious attacks.”

continues.....

Kat

Can't the NRA just go back to how it used to be?...teaching firearm safety.

mickeyrat

  The support of donors and the enthusiasm among N.R.A. members will be a crucial test for Mr. LaPierre, who has led the organization for more than two decades. Last month, Mr. LaPierre ousted his second-in-command, Christopher W. Cox, who led the gun group’s lobbying arm; in April, the N.R.A.’s president, Oliver North, abruptly stepped down. Both men have been implicated by the N.R.A. in a plot to force Mr. LaPierre out, though Mr. Cox has denied the allegations. Mr. North has said the N.R.A. needs to review its financial practices; N.R.A. officials have said the split with Mr. North was largely a dispute over money.

Both Mr. Dell’Aquila and the second donor want Mr. Cox to return to the N.R.A. and become its chief executive.
Wayne LaPierre, left, appeared to triumph in the gun group’s internal power struggles. Christopher Cox, center, and Oliver North, right, both stepped down from leadership positions this year.

“He brings continuity and stability,” Mr. Dell’Aquila said, adding that Mr. Cox had emerged from the recent wave of scandals with cleaner hands than Mr. LaPierre. “We can get consensus with Chris replacing Wayne.”

Mr. Dell’Aquila said he had not spoken to Mr. Cox about the matter and had not seen him since a fund-raiser last year.

The N.R.A. is moving on from Mr. Cox and is expected to announce Tuesday that Jason Ouimet, a deputy at its lobbying arm, will assume Mr. Cox’s former post, according to a person with knowledge of the appointment.

The N.R.A. has been burdened by high structural costs and escalating legal bills as it copes with the New York investigation and a bitter legal fight with its former advertising firm, Ackerman McQueen. The N.R.A.’s member dues fell in 2017 to their lowest level in a half-decade, as concerns about gun control ebbed after Mr. Trump’s election, but they rebounded last year, increasing by a third, to $170 million, while contributions grew by 24 percent to $165 million.

Even so, the N.R.A.’s net assets fell sharply last year and the organization was forced to freeze its pension fund. It also took more than $30 million out of its charitable foundation in 2017; it recently increased a line of credit, backed by the deed to its headquarters, to $28 million; and it borrowed against life insurance policies taken out on top executives.

An avid hunter, Mr. Dell’Aquila, 58, was interviewed at his house in Nashville, sitting in front of a large stuffed black bear. He played offensive lineman for a year at Princeton before injuries ended his football career, and he once was featured in The Baltimore Sun for eating two 48-ounce steaks in one sitting at a Shula’s Steak House. He’s been a member of the N.R.A. for about two decades, and considers himself a true believer. (“It’s our Second Amendment, it comes after our First Amendment, it’s what allows us to be a free country,” he said.)

Mr. Dell’Aquila was listed in an N.R.A. publication as having pledged more than $1 million, making him one of a small number of contributors at that level; he belongs to the Charlton Heston Ambassadors, a group for those who make large pledges of support, named for the actor and former N.R.A. president.

In a series of interviews and emails, Mr. Dell’Aquila cited numerous concerns. He was troubled that a former N.R.A. president, David Keene, had been caught up in an investigation over his ties to Maria Butina, the Russian who pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as a foreign agent. He was disturbed after The New York Times reported this year that Tyler Schropp, a senior N.R.A. executive, had an interest in an outside company that had received $18 million from the N.R.A. He was also dismayed by a recent New Yorker story tying the N.R.A.’s former longtime chief financial officer to allegations of embezzlement at a previous job.

“I don’t know if these stories are true or not true,” he said. “My No. 1 concern, frankly only concern, is that our Second Amendment rights are preserved and the optics of negativity that are directly harming the N.R.A. institution ceases.”

Mr. Dell’Aquila said he had approached high-ranking N.R.A. officials to express his dissatisfaction as recently as April, when the N.R.A. held its annual convention in Indianapolis, but was not satisfied by their responses. And he said the board had recently been removing critics of Mr. LaPierre from key oversight committees.

“I decided the best way to be effective is to start a grass-roots effort to demand from the N.R.A. leadership accountability as well as transparency,” he said.

His demands include the resignation of Mr. LaPierre and his senior leadership in time to put in a new team for the 2020 elections. In addition to Mr. Cox’s return, he wants Allen West, an N.R.A. board member and former Tea Party congressman opposed to Mr. LaPierre, installed as the group’s president. (Some of Mr. Dell’Aquila’s demands echo those of Mr. West and others.)

He would also shrink the board to 30 members from 76; stop paying consulting fees to board members; dismiss the N.R.A.’s accounting firm, RSM; remove past presidents from the board; and cut costs by holding meetings in central locations. He lamented that an upcoming board meeting was to be held in Alaska: “What are the optics of that?” he said. “It’s negative. It’s self-inflicted.” He adding that the N.R.A. could find board members who “would do this for free, and it keeps us clean in the liberal papers.”

Mr. Dell’Aquila said he had come to his decision reluctantly, and had always been treated graciously by Mr. LaPierre and his wife, Susan.

“I’m not pro-Mr. LaPierre, and I’m not anti-Mr. LaPierre, I’m just simply being objective and trying to save a historic institution from itself,” he said. “Right or wrong, the buck stops with Mr. LaPierre, because this occurred underneath his leadership, and he’s ultimately accountable.”
Correction: July 2, 2019

An earlier version of this article misstated the criteria for removing Wayne LaPierre from his position at the N.R.A. It would require a three-fourths vote by the board and one of its committees, not a two-thirds vote.

mcgruff10

Kat said:

Can't the NRA just go back to how it used to be?...teaching firearm safety.

Agreed, I like how they promote gun safety and support school shooting clubs all across the country.  However As a life time member I question some of the measures they support and block  but I understand that they don’t want to give an inch because the dems will unfortunately take a mile.  Just my two cents. 

josevolution

drakeheuer14 said:

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can you defend the NRA? Go ahead, I’m interested.

You don’t have to sell me I’d love for the NRA to totally burn down !

If you support the use of fire, you are complicit with all arson 

Yeah sorry I didn’t mean for Notre Dame to burn down I got carried away lol I hope the NRA sinks to the bottom of Ocean lol 

Meltdown99

The NRA could disband Sunday and your problem is going nowhere, ever...

I doubt America even has a clue about how many guns are there...

Maybe instead of tossing non-violent pot offenders in jail, you could pass a mandatory 20 years sentence, no parole if caught with an illegal gun, increase it to 25 to life if a crime is committed with a weapon...

josevolution

Meltdown99 said:

The NRA could disband Sunday and your problem is going nowhere, ever...

I doubt America even has a clue about how many guns are there...

Maybe instead of tossing non-violent pot offenders in jail, you could pass a mandatory 20 years sentence, no parole if caught with an illegal gun, increase it to 25 to life if a crime is committed with a weapon...

Totally down with this 100%

Meltdown99

The NRA is not the problem, they are a symptom of the disease is your political system that allows lobbyist...

And both sides have no interest in ending lobbying...

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Fuck the NRA. And every “responsible” gun owner is complicit. As a “responsible” gun owner, how does it feel to have the blood of six and seven year olds on your hands?

Go back and watch Wayne’s public statements in the aftermath and admit you’re proud.

So you're saying everybody in the country that owns a gun is an accessory the NRA's actions/rhetoric? That's ridiculous...but par for the course around here. 

If you’re a “responsible” gun owner and you didn’t speak up and out against the NRA and their rhetoric of guns for all as the solution and how they went from a firearm safety promotion organization to a shill for the death and destruction of the firearms industry, then yes, you’re complicit. The surge in NRA membership and fund raising after Sandy Hook was grotesque, as was the support for Wayne and his sneering rhetoric.

Oh the surge in NRA membership you say? Well "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't mutually exclusive. You can be a responsible gun owner and think the NRA is a joke. And you can be an NRA member and not be responsible with your gun. 

And you can be complicit by not rejecting them and their sneering rhetoric.
 

And you can reject them by not paying to be a member...Gun owners are not some exclusive club, you know that, right?  Maybe you are complicit by not speaking out against the NRA “enough” and not devoting your every waking breath to rejecting the NRA.

Hey he posts on a rock band's message board about it. What more do you want? The NRA, Trump, the GOP....Halfiax takes them all to task! One post at a time. 

You should wake the fuck up and realize that you have the power to see things change. But you know, it’s way easier to be “responsible” and advocate. I get it. You’re lazy and you lean in and accept the reality. Funny, reading you guys chuckle over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders. Ha ha ha, own the death. 

NRA NRA NRA, guns guns guns.

Go fuck yourself, dude. You have some nerve to attribute "chuckling over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders" to me.  What are you even talking about?  When have I ever even made reference to school shootings? Let alone make light of them? Go back and read through this thread (God knows you have the time) and you'll see nothing even closely related to anything like that coming from me. Fuck you. 

It goes to show how much of a piece-of-shit simpleton you really are. I suggested that "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't always the same thing. So to you that mean I must be in agreement with people that love their guns so much that they'd minimize school shootings? Or that I'm in agreement with a maniac like Alex Jones? What the fuck is that? Only in your little pea-brain could connection be made. Because you WANT to make that connection. 

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Fuck the NRA. And every “responsible” gun owner is complicit. As a “responsible” gun owner, how does it feel to have the blood of six and seven year olds on your hands?

Go back and watch Wayne’s public statements in the aftermath and admit you’re proud.

So you're saying everybody in the country that owns a gun is an accessory the NRA's actions/rhetoric? That's ridiculous...but par for the course around here. 

If you’re a “responsible” gun owner and you didn’t speak up and out against the NRA and their rhetoric of guns for all as the solution and how they went from a firearm safety promotion organization to a shill for the death and destruction of the firearms industry, then yes, you’re complicit. The surge in NRA membership and fund raising after Sandy Hook was grotesque, as was the support for Wayne and his sneering rhetoric.

Oh the surge in NRA membership you say? Well "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't mutually exclusive. You can be a responsible gun owner and think the NRA is a joke. And you can be an NRA member and not be responsible with your gun. 

And you can be complicit by not rejecting them and their sneering rhetoric.
 

And you can reject them by not paying to be a member...Gun owners are not some exclusive club, you know that, right?  Maybe you are complicit by not speaking out against the NRA “enough” and not devoting your every waking breath to rejecting the NRA.

Hey he posts on a rock band's message board about it. What more do you want? The NRA, Trump, the GOP....Halfiax takes them all to task! One post at a time. 

You should wake the fuck up and realize that you have the power to see things change. But you know, it’s way easier to be “responsible” and advocate. I get it. You’re lazy and you lean in and accept the reality. Funny, reading you guys chuckle over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders. Ha ha ha, own the death. 

NRA NRA NRA, guns guns guns.

Go fuck yourself, dude. You have some nerve to attribute "chuckling over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders" to me.  What are you even talking about?  When have I ever even made reference to school shootings? Let alone make light of them? Go back and read through this thread (God knows you have the time) and you'll see nothing even closely related to anything like that coming from me. Fuck you. 

It goes to show how much of a piece-of-shit simpleton you really are. I suggested that "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't always the same thing. So to you that mean I must be in agreement with people that love their guns so much that they'd minimize school shootings? Or that I'm in agreement with a maniac like Alex Jones? What the fuck is that? Only in your little pea-brain could connection be made. Because you WANT to make that connection. 

You and PJPower’s banter was making light of the lack of gun control and subsequent nightmares like Sandy Hook. As “responsible” gun owners, which I think you might be, have way more pull and say than a non-gun owner. But I guess it’s easier to mock other posters. Thanks for the new moniker and making it personal.

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Fuck the NRA. And every “responsible” gun owner is complicit. As a “responsible” gun owner, how does it feel to have the blood of six and seven year olds on your hands?

Go back and watch Wayne’s public statements in the aftermath and admit you’re proud.

So you're saying everybody in the country that owns a gun is an accessory the NRA's actions/rhetoric? That's ridiculous...but par for the course around here. 

If you’re a “responsible” gun owner and you didn’t speak up and out against the NRA and their rhetoric of guns for all as the solution and how they went from a firearm safety promotion organization to a shill for the death and destruction of the firearms industry, then yes, you’re complicit. The surge in NRA membership and fund raising after Sandy Hook was grotesque, as was the support for Wayne and his sneering rhetoric.

Oh the surge in NRA membership you say? Well "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't mutually exclusive. You can be a responsible gun owner and think the NRA is a joke. And you can be an NRA member and not be responsible with your gun. 

And you can be complicit by not rejecting them and their sneering rhetoric.
 

And you can reject them by not paying to be a member...Gun owners are not some exclusive club, you know that, right?  Maybe you are complicit by not speaking out against the NRA “enough” and not devoting your every waking breath to rejecting the NRA.

Hey he posts on a rock band's message board about it. What more do you want? The NRA, Trump, the GOP....Halfiax takes them all to task! One post at a time. 

You should wake the fuck up and realize that you have the power to see things change. But you know, it’s way easier to be “responsible” and advocate. I get it. You’re lazy and you lean in and accept the reality. Funny, reading you guys chuckle over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders. Ha ha ha, own the death. 

NRA NRA NRA, guns guns guns.

Go fuck yourself, dude. You have some nerve to attribute "chuckling over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders" to me.  What are you even talking about?  When have I ever even made reference to school shootings? Let alone make light of them? Go back and read through this thread (God knows you have the time) and you'll see nothing even closely related to anything like that coming from me. Fuck you. 

It goes to show how much of a piece-of-shit simpleton you really are. I suggested that "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't always the same thing. So to you that mean I must be in agreement with people that love their guns so much that they'd minimize school shootings? Or that I'm in agreement with a maniac like Alex Jones? What the fuck is that? Only in your little pea-brain could connection be made. Because you WANT to make that connection. 

You and PJPower’s banter was making light of the lack of gun control and subsequent nightmares like Sandy Hook. As “responsible” gun owners, which I think you might be, have way more pull and say than a non-gun owner. But I guess it’s easier to mock other posters. Thanks for the new moniker and making it personal.

You would double-down on this instead of just saying "Yeah, I guess nothing either of you said even remotely suggests that you chuckle at the deaths of fifth graders. My bad." What a joke.

We did have a chuckle at your expense I guess; the fact that you're calling people complicit for not speaking out against the NRA
when your idea of speaking out against them is posting on a liberal-leaning message board. That's pretty funny. 

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Fuck the NRA. And every “responsible” gun owner is complicit. As a “responsible” gun owner, how does it feel to have the blood of six and seven year olds on your hands?

Go back and watch Wayne’s public statements in the aftermath and admit you’re proud.

So you're saying everybody in the country that owns a gun is an accessory the NRA's actions/rhetoric? That's ridiculous...but par for the course around here. 

If you’re a “responsible” gun owner and you didn’t speak up and out against the NRA and their rhetoric of guns for all as the solution and how they went from a firearm safety promotion organization to a shill for the death and destruction of the firearms industry, then yes, you’re complicit. The surge in NRA membership and fund raising after Sandy Hook was grotesque, as was the support for Wayne and his sneering rhetoric.

Oh the surge in NRA membership you say? Well "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't mutually exclusive. You can be a responsible gun owner and think the NRA is a joke. And you can be an NRA member and not be responsible with your gun. 

And you can be complicit by not rejecting them and their sneering rhetoric.
 

And you can reject them by not paying to be a member...Gun owners are not some exclusive club, you know that, right?  Maybe you are complicit by not speaking out against the NRA “enough” and not devoting your every waking breath to rejecting the NRA.

Hey he posts on a rock band's message board about it. What more do you want? The NRA, Trump, the GOP....Halfiax takes them all to task! One post at a time. 

You should wake the fuck up and realize that you have the power to see things change. But you know, it’s way easier to be “responsible” and advocate. I get it. You’re lazy and you lean in and accept the reality. Funny, reading you guys chuckle over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders. Ha ha ha, own the death. 

NRA NRA NRA, guns guns guns.

Go fuck yourself, dude. You have some nerve to attribute "chuckling over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders" to me.  What are you even talking about?  When have I ever even made reference to school shootings? Let alone make light of them? Go back and read through this thread (God knows you have the time) and you'll see nothing even closely related to anything like that coming from me. Fuck you. 

It goes to show how much of a piece-of-shit simpleton you really are. I suggested that "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't always the same thing. So to you that mean I must be in agreement with people that love their guns so much that they'd minimize school shootings? Or that I'm in agreement with a maniac like Alex Jones? What the fuck is that? Only in your little pea-brain could connection be made. Because you WANT to make that connection. 

You and PJPower’s banter was making light of the lack of gun control and subsequent nightmares like Sandy Hook. As “responsible” gun owners, which I think you might be, have way more pull and say than a non-gun owner. But I guess it’s easier to mock other posters. Thanks for the new moniker and making it personal.

You would double-down on this instead of just saying "Yeah, I guess nothing either of you said even remotely suggests that you chuckle at the deaths of fifth graders. My bad." What a joke.

We did have a chuckle at your expense I guess; the fact that you're calling people complicit for not speaking out against the NRA
when your idea of speaking out against them is posting on a liberal-leaning message board. That's pretty funny. 

You have no idea where, how or in what method I’ve commented or been involved with reasonable gun control legislation advocacy. But I suspect it’s more than what you’ve done as a “responsible” gun owner. And you could have apologized for your personal attack. It’s okay, I don’t run to the mods.
 

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Fuck the NRA. And every “responsible” gun owner is complicit. As a “responsible” gun owner, how does it feel to have the blood of six and seven year olds on your hands?

Go back and watch Wayne’s public statements in the aftermath and admit you’re proud.

So you're saying everybody in the country that owns a gun is an accessory the NRA's actions/rhetoric? That's ridiculous...but par for the course around here. 

If you’re a “responsible” gun owner and you didn’t speak up and out against the NRA and their rhetoric of guns for all as the solution and how they went from a firearm safety promotion organization to a shill for the death and destruction of the firearms industry, then yes, you’re complicit. The surge in NRA membership and fund raising after Sandy Hook was grotesque, as was the support for Wayne and his sneering rhetoric.

Oh the surge in NRA membership you say? Well "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't mutually exclusive. You can be a responsible gun owner and think the NRA is a joke. And you can be an NRA member and not be responsible with your gun. 

And you can be complicit by not rejecting them and their sneering rhetoric.
 

And you can reject them by not paying to be a member...Gun owners are not some exclusive club, you know that, right?  Maybe you are complicit by not speaking out against the NRA “enough” and not devoting your every waking breath to rejecting the NRA.

Hey he posts on a rock band's message board about it. What more do you want? The NRA, Trump, the GOP....Halfiax takes them all to task! One post at a time. 

You should wake the fuck up and realize that you have the power to see things change. But you know, it’s way easier to be “responsible” and advocate. I get it. You’re lazy and you lean in and accept the reality. Funny, reading you guys chuckle over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders. Ha ha ha, own the death. 

NRA NRA NRA, guns guns guns.

Go fuck yourself, dude. You have some nerve to attribute "chuckling over the deaths of fifth and sixth graders" to me.  What are you even talking about?  When have I ever even made reference to school shootings? Let alone make light of them? Go back and read through this thread (God knows you have the time) and you'll see nothing even closely related to anything like that coming from me. Fuck you. 

It goes to show how much of a piece-of-shit simpleton you really are. I suggested that "responsible gun owners" and "NRA members" aren't always the same thing. So to you that mean I must be in agreement with people that love their guns so much that they'd minimize school shootings? Or that I'm in agreement with a maniac like Alex Jones? What the fuck is that? Only in your little pea-brain could connection be made. Because you WANT to make that connection. 

You and PJPower’s banter was making light of the lack of gun control and subsequent nightmares like Sandy Hook. As “responsible” gun owners, which I think you might be, have way more pull and say than a non-gun owner. But I guess it’s easier to mock other posters. Thanks for the new moniker and making it personal.

You would double-down on this instead of just saying "Yeah, I guess nothing either of you said even remotely suggests that you chuckle at the deaths of fifth graders. My bad." What a joke.

We did have a chuckle at your expense I guess; the fact that you're calling people complicit for not speaking out against the NRA
when your idea of speaking out against them is posting on a liberal-leaning message board. That's pretty funny. 

You have no idea where, how or in what method I’ve commented or been involved with reasonable gun control legislation advocacy. But I suspect it’s more than what you’ve done as a “responsible” gun owner. And you could have apologized for your personal attack. It’s okay, I don’t run to the mods.
 

Personal attack? Calling you a piece of shit? If someone said that you chuckle at the deaths of children (with no basis) just to push their anti-gun stance, you'd call that person a piece of shit too. Go run to the mods. I encourage it. They'd probably read this thread and laugh at you.