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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,758
    Sending thoughts and prayers to the nra 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547

    U.S. trustee opposes NRA bankruptcy petition in blow to gun rights group

    May 3, 2021 at 9:51 p.m. EDT

    A U.S. bankruptcy administrator asked a federal judge Monday to dismiss the National Rifle Association’s efforts to declare bankruptcy or appoint a trustee or examiner to oversee the gun rights organization — a setback for the group at the close of a federal court hearing to consider its petition.

    The recommendation bolstered the arguments of New York Attorney General Letitia James (D), whose office has fought the NRA’s attempts to relocate from New York to Texas, and came after senior NRA executives acknowledged in court testimony that they received lavish perks.

    Lisa Lambert, a lawyer with the U.S. trustee’s office — which participates in bankruptcy cases to protect taxpayer interests and enforce bankruptcy laws — told the court that the evidence presented in the hearing showed that the nonprofit organization lacked proper oversight and that personal expenses were masked as business costs.

    Adam Levitin, a bankruptcy expert at the Georgetown University Law Center, said the position of the trustee — a Justice Department official who typically remains neutral in a bankruptcy proceeding — does not bode well for the NRA.

    “I don’t see how the NRA pulls off a win here,” he said, adding: “I think it’s pretty clear that the NRA loses. The real question is what the remedy will be.”

    In court Monday, NRA lawyer Greg Garman expressed disappointment in Lambert’s comments, saying: “We have natural enemies. This Department of Justice may not see eye to eye with the National Rifle Association, but so be it, we have done the right thing.”

    The NRA began considering bankruptcy last year after James filed a lawsuit seeking to dissolve the gun rights organization, alleging that senior NRA executives used the organization to benefit themselves and their friends.

    The NRA responded by accusing the attorney general of pursuing a political agenda. The group announced in January that it was declaring bankruptcy and moving from New York, where it was founded in 1871, to Texas, where the state attorney general and other officials offered a warm welcome.

    On Monday, Gerrit Pronske, an attorney for New York state, called the gun lobby’s attempted move “a circus sideshow” designed to avoid legal accountability, warning that approving its reorganization plan risked turning bankruptcy courts into “a haven for wrongdoers.”

    Garman countered that the bankruptcy plan was vital to the survival and future success of what he termed “an irreplaceable” civil rights organization.

    “There is no one who stands in the breach to defend the Second Amendment other than the NRA,” Garman said in his closing arguments Monday afternoon.

    The NRA has said it is in sound financial condition but needs to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection because of the existential threat presented by James’s lawsuit.

    Judge Harlin Hale is weighing the complex case from his Dallas courtroom, hearing requests via Webex videoconference from New York state and other parties to dismiss the NRA bankruptcy petition, and if that fails, to appoint a trustee to run the organization while it is in bankruptcy.

    Hale has said he expects to issue a decision in about a week.

    The hearing called renewed attention to the inner workings of the long-powerful gun lobby as President Biden and congressional Democrats have called for new gun regulations following a rash of deadly shootings across the country.

    The NRA submitted a reorganization plan Monday that calls for payment of outstanding debts and leaving in place the current management — including longtime NRA chief Wayne LaPierre. The plan was approved Sunday in a closed-door meeting of the NRA board, according to a person familiar with the vote, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the session.

    NRA lawyers argued throughout the bankruptcy hearing that LaPierre has been an effective manager and a fundraising powerhouse for the group, which says it has more than 5 million members. The lawyers said LaPierre has imposed more rigorous fiscal management in recent years and noted that the reorganization plan calls for a compliance officer, a new position in the organization.

    Under questioning from New York state’s attorneys, LaPierre acknowledged that he did not disclose receiving lavish perks, including access to luxurious yachts and $300,000 in suits from an exclusive Beverly Hills boutique.

    The hearing also pulled back the curtain on the internal actions of top NRA officials.

    Several witnesses testified that LaPierre did not inform the full NRA board or its general counsel of plans to declare bankruptcy before announcing it publicly.

    And the NRA’s current president, Carolyn Meadows, acknowledged in testimony read into the record that she destroyed notes and records in advance of a subpoena from the New York attorney general. Meadows testified that the records that were discarded included personal and medical information.

    Attorneys for the NRA acknowledged during the hearing that “cringeworthy activity” had occurred in the past — but they maintained governance had improved under LaPierre, who they said showed a willingness to fire NRA executives who had misused their positions.

    “It is very, very true that we don’t run from what happened before 2018, but, your honor, we are safe, we are secure, we are a well-run organization,” Garman said Monday. “We have responsible new parties in place to ensure that the transparency, the trustworthiness that the court and the parties require is here.”

     
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012

    God bless our gun totin' mommies and their sweet little shoot 'em up girls in curls.  So sweet.

    Is it just me, or does that kid look demon possessed?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    brianlux said:

    God bless our gun totin' mommies and their sweet little shoot 'em up girls in curls.  So sweet.

    Is it just me, or does that kid look demon possessed?
    Children of the corn yo!
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    I'm a big 2A guy.  I never really want to be seen like this to share w people though.  It's part of my brain that doesn't work that way.  You shouldn't know what I have.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,010
    I really hope Wayne’s world implodes. Keep giving, you can fund his legal defense.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    I really hope Wayne’s world implodes. Keep giving, you can fund his legal defense.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html
    Unions are next!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,010
    I really hope Wayne’s world implodes. Keep giving, you can fund his legal defense.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html
    Unions are next!
    Ummm, sure.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    brianlux said:

    God bless our gun totin' mommies and their sweet little shoot 'em up girls in curls.  So sweet.

    Is it just me, or does that kid look demon possessed?
    Children of the corn yo!

    Now that's some scary shit! :lol:
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    I really hope Wayne’s world implodes. Keep giving, you can fund his legal defense.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html
    Unions are next!
    Ummm, sure.
    In NY they have been chipping away at the unions here for years.  This isn't new news or the sky is falling.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,010
    I really hope Wayne’s world implodes. Keep giving, you can fund his legal defense.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html
    Unions are next!
    Ummm, sure.
    In NY they have been chipping away at the unions here for years.  This isn't new news or the sky is falling.
    Well, let me know when a N.Y. union declares bankruptcy to avoid being dissolved because of the criminal behavior of its leadership in fraudulently spending its collected dues as a non-profit and having their bankruptcy petition thrown out for lack of merit. Then we can compare them. Start a “All Things NY Unions” thread in the meantime to keep us all posted.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    I really hope Wayne’s world implodes. Keep giving, you can fund his legal defense.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html
    Unions are next!
    Ummm, sure.
    In NY they have been chipping away at the unions here for years.  This isn't new news or the sky is falling.
    Well, let me know when a N.Y. union declares bankruptcy to avoid being dissolved because of the criminal behavior of its leadership in fraudulently spending its collected dues as a non-profit and having their bankruptcy petition thrown out for lack of merit. Then we can compare them. Start a “All Things NY Unions” thread in the meantime to keep us all posted.
    They can't, the government literally took them over.  The local BA's got caught taking pension/dues money and doing blow off of hookers' bellies and got caught.

    One whole section of Carpenters union was dissolved. Iron Workers union is under government eyes.  Operators union under government eye.  All for above mentioned practices and more.

    So, you can compare them.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    different entities entirely.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.

    nothing prevents those affected members from joining a different local or reorganizing the disbanded local.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,010
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.
    Unions aren’t next. Unions have had anti-corruption initiatives against them since day one and throughout their history, mostly with repubs trying to dismantle them. The NRA? Not so much, so yea, they’re not comparable. Another false equivalency.

    How does it feel knowing your dues bought fine Italian suits for LePue? And flew he and his family to the Bahamas on private jets multiple times?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.

    nothing prevents those affected members from joining a different local or reorganizing the disbanded local.
    Actually it does.  NY has different locals for specific things.  If you are an operator doing buildings you are in 14.  If you are an operator doing earthwork you are in 15.  If you are an ornamental iron worker you are in 580. Electrical in the boroughs is Local 3, on the island it's local 25.

    There aren't other competing locals.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.

    nothing prevents those affected members from joining a different local or reorganizing the disbanded local.
    Actually it does.  NY has different locals for specific things.  If you are an operator doing buildings you are in 14.  If you are an operator doing earthwork you are in 15.  If you are an ornamental iron worker you are in 580. Electrical in the boroughs is Local 3, on the island it's local 25.

    There aren't other competing locals.

    then the nationals need to do for their members and recharter the disbanded with national oversight to start off or reconfigure the existing type specific locals.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.
    Unions aren’t next. Unions have had anti-corruption initiatives against them since day one and throughout their history, mostly with repubs trying to dismantle them. The NRA? Not so much, so yea, they’re not comparable. Another false equivalency.

    How does it feel knowing your dues bought fine Italian suits for LePue? And flew he and his family to the Bahamas on private jets multiple times?
    The union dues bought blow and hookers.  That was one comparison.

    The second was NY brass has always been out to break unions whether it be about corruption or just the power they wield.

    Living here you get a very different perspective of the local news and being in the industry.  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.

    nothing prevents those affected members from joining a different local or reorganizing the disbanded local.
    Actually it does.  NY has different locals for specific things.  If you are an operator doing buildings you are in 14.  If you are an operator doing earthwork you are in 15.  If you are an ornamental iron worker you are in 580. Electrical in the boroughs is Local 3, on the island it's local 25.

    There aren't other competing locals.

    then the nationals need to do for their members and recharter the disbanded with national oversight to start off or reconfigure the existing type specific locals.
    Getting off topic. We can discuss this in private if you feel the need to.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,010
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.

    nothing prevents those affected members from joining a different local or reorganizing the disbanded local.
    Actually it does.  NY has different locals for specific things.  If you are an operator doing buildings you are in 14.  If you are an operator doing earthwork you are in 15.  If you are an ornamental iron worker you are in 580. Electrical in the boroughs is Local 3, on the island it's local 25.

    There aren't other competing locals.

    then the nationals need to do for their members and recharter the disbanded with national oversight to start off or reconfigure the existing type specific locals.
    Getting off topic. We can discuss this in private if you feel the need to.
    Please start a “All Things Union” thread. Please and thank you.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    different entities entirely.
    Of course but read the dialogue and why I said unions were next.  If you read the last post it would make zero sense.

    nothing prevents those affected members from joining a different local or reorganizing the disbanded local.
    Actually it does.  NY has different locals for specific things.  If you are an operator doing buildings you are in 14.  If you are an operator doing earthwork you are in 15.  If you are an ornamental iron worker you are in 580. Electrical in the boroughs is Local 3, on the island it's local 25.

    There aren't other competing locals.

    then the nationals need to do for their members and recharter the disbanded with national oversight to start off or reconfigure the existing type specific locals.
    Getting off topic. We can discuss this in private if you feel the need to.
    Please start a “All Things Union” thread. Please and thank you.
    It won't go far and won't have much traffic.  I have zero interest in starting one.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,903
    Fraud bankruptcy
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    this is a first isnt it?
    Is Remington’s $33 Million Offer Enough to End Sandy Hook Massacre Case? https://nyti.ms/3BUsz9h

    Is Remington’s $33 Million Offer Enough to End Sandy Hook Massacre Case?

    Lawyers for families of those killed in the mass shooting say they are moving “full-steam ahead” after the company did not allow for full access to its internal documents.

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    Newtown Conn where 26 people including 20 first graders were killed in 2012 by a gunman armed with a Remington Bushmaster rifle
    Newtown, Conn., where 26 people, including 20 first graders, were killed in 2012 by a gunman armed with a Remington Bushmaster rifle. Credit...Ángel Franco/The New York Times
    July 29, 2021

    From the outset, legal experts said the case faced long odds, running headfirst into barriers that are built into federal law and protect gun companies from most litigation.

    The case, brought by the families of those killed in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, seeks to hold responsible the companies that made and sold the weapon used in the attack, in part by unearthing documents they hoped would reveal the gun industry’s inner workings.

    The families acknowledged the hurdles they faced, but saw the lawsuit as a gamble worth taking.

    Now, after winding through the courts for nearly seven years, the suit has yielded an offer: Remington, which made the AR-15-style Bushmaster that was used in the 2012 attack, has proposed settling with the families for $33 million as a trial date looms.

    The company’s offer underscores the viability of the novel strategy the families have adopted to pierce the legal shield that guards gun makers, offering a potential road map to the survivors and relatives of victims involved in other mass shootings.

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    The Sandy Hook plaintiffs are considering the offer, which includes $3.66 million apiece for each of the nine families who are pursuing the suit. But a lawyer for the families, Joshua D. Koskoff, added that his clients were still moving “full-steam ahead” toward trial.

    The families have long said that they want a jury to see the company’s behind-the-scenes communications, including, possibly, those in which they outline plans for marketing the weapon — a central component of the suit.

    “One glaring inadequacy about the offer, among many,” Mr. Koskoff said, “is that it doesn’t contain a provision for full access to all documents.” Any agreement would have to include that access, he added.

    Lawyers for Remington, which is in bankruptcy, declined to comment on the offer. The company has previously argued that the claims raised by the families fall squarely within the protections provided by federal law, which the gun industry’s supporters described as a critical defense against predatory or politically driven lawsuits.

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    Remington’s lawyers have said the families are trying to obtain internal company documents without any justification to do so. In one recent court filing, the lawyers said the families’ suit did not contain any evidence that the gunman “even saw Remington’s advertisements — much less was inspired by them to commit mass murder.”

    The case is being watched closely as the United States continues to be gripped by the anguish stirred by recurring mass shootings and the political rancor surrounding the ownership and use of guns. And the interest has only intensified through the many legal twists and turns the case has endured, surviving far longer than other litigation brought after a mass shooting.

    The families argue that Remington marketed the assault rifle in a way that was meant to appeal to troubled young men like the 20-year-old who stormed into the elementary school in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 first graders and six adults in a spray of gunfire that saw 154 rounds fired off in under five minutes.

    The suit seizes on an exception built into federal law that allows for litigation over sales and marketing practices that violate state or federal laws. The families contend that Remington’s practices violated a Connecticut consumer law that prohibited businesses from marketing or promoting their products in a way that encouraged illegal behavior.


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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,060
    Interesting. I'd like to see what ad or ads in particular encouraged illegal behavior. 

    In this case, I don't really watch television but I don't think I have ever seen a commercial for anything that encouraged illegal behavior. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    dudeman said:
    Interesting. I'd like to see what ad or ads in particular encouraged illegal behavior. 

    In this case, I don't really watch television but I don't think I have ever seen a commercial for anything that encouraged illegal behavior. 

    these are the next  couple paragraphs...

    The families’ lawyers have described how the Bushmaster was portrayed as a weapon of war with slogans and product placement in video games that invoked combat violence. The marketing of the rifle also employed hypermasculine themes, including an advertisement with a photograph of the weapon that said, “Consider your man card reissued.”

    “Since this case was filed in 2014, the families’ focus has been on preventing the next Sandy Hook,” Mr. Koskoff said. “An important part of that goal has been showing banks and insurers that companies that sell assault weapons to civilians are fraught with financial risk.”


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  • wow. so the nra CAN be reasonable when they feel like it. who knew?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    wow. so the nra CAN be reasonable when they feel like it. who knew?

    it doesnt involve guns directly.  sooo yeah.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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