Michelle Obama - "Divorced Dad" comment

mace1229

After reading the comments I was expected much worse. I didn't think the quote was all that bad. I don't think it makes sense though. Saying Trump is the fun president we all want until we get sick?
I don't think she meant to make a mock at divorced dads. And there are a lot of great single/divorced dads out there. She was obviously comparing the US to the ones that get custody 1 weekend a month and spoil their kids, which does happen and is a stereotype. But I just don't see the comparison to Trump, her analogy didn't make any sense, but I don't think it was offensive.

cincybearcat

mace1229 said:

After reading the comments I was expected much worse. I didn't think the quote was all that bad. I don't think it makes sense though. Saying Trump is the fun president we all want until we get sick?
I don't think she meant to make a mock at divorced dads. And there are a lot of great single/divorced dads out there. She was obviously comparing the US to the ones that get custody 1 weekend a month and spoil their kids, which does happen and is a stereotype. But I just don't see the comparison to Trump, her analogy didn't make any sense, but I don't think it was offensive.

Thanks for this.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  I do think it was a poor choice of words and should likely not be repeated as an example.

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

my2hands

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

The sweet irony oozing throughout this thread is just delicious.

i gotta say, juggler, i don't see any irony at all. i don't see trump supporters coming in here and flaming some type of faux outrage. i see a poster who, as far as i know, is usually fairly bi-partisan, looking for a non-dramatic discussion, and for some reason you are using my2hands' playbook and shouting that everyone is freaking out when literally no one is. this is the type of stuff that the right freaks out at all the time; the hypocrisy of the left. the left, especially some people here, constantly throw around the "whataboutism" nonsense, and that's all i see here. this can't be discussed without bringing up how horrible trump is for some reason. yes, the comment was about him. but it wasn't referencing the way he talks about people using stereotypes, which is what michelle did. 

i respect michelle a great deal, which is why this comment surprises me. it doesn't surprise me because of who is in the white house, it surprises me because of how said it. 

now, say it with me: no one in this thread is outraged about this. cincy stated it several times that he's not upset about it, just a discussion. 

we need to try to look at things from an objective lens, not the lens of always comparing everything to something trump did. 

If you saw my playbook, your head would explode in flames

I'm Bill Walsh up in this bitch

cincybearcat

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

Ledbetterman10

It was just a dumb comment by someone not clever enough to come up with a better metaphor. No big deal. 

mickeyrat

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

The Juggler

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

Yep

Go Beavers

dignin said:

Props for the latte salute. That’s a tough move if you’ve ever tried it. 

HughFreakingDillon

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

there are many stereotypes that actually exist that aren't acceptable to use. particularly women and minorities. 

It's possible I'm a little sensitive to this because I'm not at all the dad of the 70's and 80's. But people often still talk to all men as if they are. you know, making fun of how difficult it must be if my wife is out of town, calling it "babysitting", if we forget one thing in the lunch, it's not "oh you just forgot" it's a fucking eye roll and "oh, your dad must have packed your lunch today". that type of shit. 

if i was ever divorced I also wouldn't fit that stereotype. while it isn't a massive deal, and no one is outraged, it was a stupid comment, and there's nothing wrong with discussing it. 

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

So I can use sterotypes if it i true at least some of the time?
So I can make fun of  Asians for being bad drivers now? I can assume anyone working in a quicki-mart is Indian and make fun of them? I mean, that is a type that does exist right?

Her analogy didnt offend me, but I can;t believe anyone would say its okay to use stereotypes as long as that type exists.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

So I can use sterotypes if it i true at least some of the time?
So I can make fun of  Asians for being bad drivers now? I can assume anyone working in a quicki-mart is Indian and make fun of them? I mean, that is a type that does exist right?

Her analogy didnt offend me, but I can;t believe anyone would say its okay to use stereotypes as long as that type exists.

yeah, I was wondering this too. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Props for the latte salute. That’s a tough move if you’ve ever tried it. 

Only people on the extreme left of the political spectrum have enough experience with lattes to pull this off.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Props for the latte salute. That’s a tough move if you’ve ever tried it. 

Only people on the extreme left of the political spectrum have enough experience with lattes to pull this off.

usually while adjusting their man bun with the other hand. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Props for the latte salute. That’s a tough move if you’ve ever tried it. 

Only people on the extreme left of the political spectrum have enough experience with lattes to pull this off.

usually while adjusting their man bun with the other hand. 

The elite of elitist!

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Props for the latte salute. That’s a tough move if you’ve ever tried it. 

Only people on the extreme left of the political spectrum have enough experience with lattes to pull this off.

usually while adjusting their man bun with the other hand. 

The elite of elitist!

I often wonder if I didn't start going bald if I'd have a man bun at this point. I used to have long hair until it got too thin, so I started just shaving it off. 

I'd totally be man bunning it up with my latte salute. 

mcgruff10

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

So I can use sterotypes if it i true at least some of the time?
So I can make fun of  Asians for being bad drivers now? I can assume anyone working in a quicki-mart is Indian and make fun of them? I mean, that is a type that does exist right?

Her analogy didnt offend me, but I can;t believe anyone would say its okay to use stereotypes as long as that type exists.

I love double standards.  (Insert sarcasm)

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - I have a serious question. I even stated that this is not something to get all upset about but that it was a very weird metaphor...and I think inappropriate. And I didn’t expect it from Michelle.

so - people here really don’t care at all about this? Saying that divorced dads all don’t care about there kids and just do the fun stuff? You all are ok with keeping that line of thinking going? 

Perhaps it’s fine, but then I’m sure hoping we can feel free to make all the other generalizations too. Please don’t jump all over my opinion like some Jew who saw a penny....wait...is that not ok? 

People on the left would be up in arms if a republican said this. And they will say that they wouldn’t be until they are blue in the face but I call bullshit.  

we are up in arms on a daily basis based on what president dipshit says....so what?

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - I have a serious question. I even stated that this is not something to get all upset about but that it was a very weird metaphor...and I think inappropriate. And I didn’t expect it from Michelle.

so - people here really don’t care at all about this? Saying that divorced dads all don’t care about there kids and just do the fun stuff? You all are ok with keeping that line of thinking going? 

Perhaps it’s fine, but then I’m sure hoping we can feel free to make all the other generalizations too. Please don’t jump all over my opinion like some Jew who saw a penny....wait...is that not ok? 

People on the left would be up in arms if a republican said this. And they will say that they wouldn’t be until they are blue in the face but I call bullshit.  

we are up in arms on a daily basis based on what president dipshit says....so what?

Exactly how does that have to do with this topic?

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?

@cincybearcat

damn quotes are fucking up on my phone.

@cincybearcat musta got lost in the shuffle

Sorry I didn’t see it.

I don’t think that’s what she meant. But it’s kinda what she said. Again - just surprised by her making a comment like that.

stereotype or not, it spoke to me of a specific type that does in fact exist. and since that type does exist she gets a pass from me.

and to me its an accurate enough analogy. for what she was trying to say. which is current "dad" is a clueless oaf with no idea what the fuck he's doing.

there are many stereotypes that actually exist that aren't acceptable to use. particularly women and minorities. 

It's possible I'm a little sensitive to this because I'm not at all the dad of the 70's and 80's. But people often still talk to all men as if they are. you know, making fun of how difficult it must be if my wife is out of town, calling it "babysitting", if we forget one thing in the lunch, it's not "oh you just forgot" it's a fucking eye roll and "oh, your dad must have packed your lunch today". that type of shit. 

if i was ever divorced I also wouldn't fit that stereotype. while it isn't a massive deal, and no one is outraged, it was a stupid comment, and there's nothing wrong with discussing it. 

Perhaps this is why it caught my eye as well.  I'm not divorced but my wife and I are both professionals.  Her job requires a decent amount of travel or long workdays so I do a lot.  I'm usually one of the only or the only dad involved with my daughter's dance, etc.  Plenty of innocent but pretty annoying comments.  Or even just dismissed cause I'm a guy.  About to be a single dad for a couple of months+ do to work travel for my wife....I sure hope I can get my sit together enough so I remember to feed my kid and not get her sick!