Ethiopian Airlines flight crashes, all 157 on board killed, including 18 Canadians

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    I like Alaska Air a lot. In my experience, they are actually the best airline to fly with to the US overall, in terms of procedure, service, efficiency, etc.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,405
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.
    Ouch!
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    oftenreading said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    So do you actually book trips based on which plane is doing the route, and if so, how do you find that out at the time? I have to say, I book on convenience and cost. 
    Absolutely,  I fly mostly Cathay and EVA between Hong Kong, Taipei and points around.  I know the planes.

    I will say after living in Asia so long, flying US or Europe sucks balls.  Asian airlines are a million times better.  From schedules to customer service to food to everything.  I hate flying anything else.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    I like Alaska Air a lot. In my experience, they are actually the best airline to fly with to the US overall, in terms of procedure, service, efficiency, etc.
    Nice!
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.

    :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    I like Alaska Air a lot. In my experience, they are actually the best airline to fly with to the US overall, in terms of procedure, service, efficiency, etc.
    Nice!
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.

    :lol:
    Man, you're a good sport :) 
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    EV
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    I like Alaska Air a lot. In my experience, they are actually the best airline to fly with to the US overall, in terms of procedure, service, efficiency, etc.
    Nice!
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.

    :lol:
    Man, you're a good sport :) 
    I'm remaining calm and maintaining composure but if I ever meet Cincy I might have to...





    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    I like Alaska Air a lot. In my experience, they are actually the best airline to fly with to the US overall, in terms of procedure, service, efficiency, etc.
    Nice!
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.

    :lol:
    Man, you're a good sport :) 
    I'm remaining calm and maintaining composure but if I ever meet Cincy I might have to...





    Is that seriously the first joke about life insurance you've ever heard?  I'm starting to think my friends are assholes. ;)


    hippiemom = goodness
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    Lol. My friends make them too, all the time. My married couple friends joke all the time about how she is worth more dead than alive. :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited March 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    I like Alaska Air a lot. In my experience, they are actually the best airline to fly with to the US overall, in terms of procedure, service, efficiency, etc.
    Nice!
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Just to add I have become a anxiety ridden flyer as I get older, but the Airbus A350 is the go to if I can.  Super quiet, super smooth like you're not even moving.  I will fly that option every time if I could.
    My wife will be taking an Airbus to Alaska this weekend on Alaska Air lines which has one of the best safety records of all airlines.  Those factors will save several of my finger nails while she is flying.
    Just up her life insurance and enjoy the ride!  Win-Win.

    :lol:
    Man, you're a good sport :) 
    I'm remaining calm and maintaining composure but if I ever meet Cincy I might have to...





    Is that seriously the first joke about life insurance you've ever heard?  I'm starting to think my friends are assholes. ;)


    Not at all.  You should hear all the times my wife has threatened to take out more life insurance policies on me.  Good God, you'd think she believes I'm reckless or getting old! 

    Oh yeah?

    :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,405
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    THIS

    I always thought it was crazy that there is wifi on a plane.  If the avionics are run through a VPN I would think that they could still be hacked into.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    edited March 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    A lot of this will have to do with data architecture.

    For example, the way that Apple permits authentication to devices that law enforcement (or even Apple themselves) can't get into is by having a secure enclave which can only return a binary "correct" or "incorrect" based on a fingerprint scan or facial scan, which sends that signal to the phone, which is always looking for a "correct" prior to permitting entrance to the operating system. Because that enclave is not internet connected even, hacking is effectively not an option. This is why Apple users have to authenticate their fingerprints/faces on each device, which is an incredibly clever design. 

    Something like this could mitigate the risk of hacking, but I suspect it'll be really challenging to make it hacker-proof for self-driving cars because the car would need to receive instructions from the internet. That would keep it pretty susceptible.
    Post edited by benjs on
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    EV
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    A lot of this will have to do with data architecture.

    For example, the way that Apple permits authentication to devices that law enforcement (or even Apple themselves) can't get into is by having a secure enclave which can only return a binary "correct" or "incorrect" based on a fingerprint scan or facial scan, which sends that signal to the phone, which is always looking for a "correct" prior to permitting entrance to the operating system. Because that enclave is not internet connected even, hacking is effectively not an option. This is why Apple users have to authenticate their fingerprints/faces on each device, which is an incredibly clever design. 

    Something like this could mitigate the risk of hacking, but I suspect it'll be really challenging to make it hacker-proof for self-driving cars because the car would need to receive instructions from the internet. That would keep it pretty susceptible.
    I love it that there are people like you who can understand this stuff, Ben!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    A lot of this will have to do with data architecture.

    For example, the way that Apple permits authentication to devices that law enforcement (or even Apple themselves) can't get into is by having a secure enclave which can only return a binary "correct" or "incorrect" based on a fingerprint scan or facial scan, which sends that signal to the phone, which is always looking for a "correct" prior to permitting entrance to the operating system. Because that enclave is not internet connected even, hacking is effectively not an option. This is why Apple users have to authenticate their fingerprints/faces on each device, which is an incredibly clever design. 

    Something like this could mitigate the risk of hacking, but I suspect it'll be really challenging to make it hacker-proof for self-driving cars because the car would need to receive instructions from the internet. That would keep it pretty susceptible.
    I love it that there are people like you who can understand this stuff, Ben!
    I've always been a nerd - it's in my blood :) 
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    A lot of this will have to do with data architecture.

    For example, the way that Apple permits authentication to devices that law enforcement (or even Apple themselves) can't get into is by having a secure enclave which can only return a binary "correct" or "incorrect" based on a fingerprint scan or facial scan, which sends that signal to the phone, which is always looking for a "correct" prior to permitting entrance to the operating system. Because that enclave is not internet connected even, hacking is effectively not an option. This is why Apple users have to authenticate their fingerprints/faces on each device, which is an incredibly clever design. 

    Something like this could mitigate the risk of hacking, but I suspect it'll be really challenging to make it hacker-proof for self-driving cars because the car would need to receive instructions from the internet. That would keep it pretty susceptible.
    I love it that there are people like you who can understand this stuff, Ben!
    I've always been a nerd - it's in my blood :) 
    Nothing wrong with that!  :smile:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    A lot of this will have to do with data architecture.

    For example, the way that Apple permits authentication to devices that law enforcement (or even Apple themselves) can't get into is by having a secure enclave which can only return a binary "correct" or "incorrect" based on a fingerprint scan or facial scan, which sends that signal to the phone, which is always looking for a "correct" prior to permitting entrance to the operating system. Because that enclave is not internet connected even, hacking is effectively not an option. This is why Apple users have to authenticate their fingerprints/faces on each device, which is an incredibly clever design. 

    Something like this could mitigate the risk of hacking, but I suspect it'll be really challenging to make it hacker-proof for self-driving cars because the car would need to receive instructions from the internet. That would keep it pretty susceptible.
    I love it that there are people like you who can understand this stuff, Ben!
    I've always been a nerd - it's in my blood :) 
    Revenge of the Benjs
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Wait until someone hacks in and takes one of these planes down...
    Never thought of that but I suppose it could be done. 
    They claim newer cars can be hacked, so I suppose planes can be hacked as well.

    That's why I have no interest in self-driving cars...things like cars, planes, trains and what not should remain offline.  These corporations that push this technology will tell us we have nothing to worry about, of course, they will tell us this 2 days after a massive data breach...
    A lot of this will have to do with data architecture.

    For example, the way that Apple permits authentication to devices that law enforcement (or even Apple themselves) can't get into is by having a secure enclave which can only return a binary "correct" or "incorrect" based on a fingerprint scan or facial scan, which sends that signal to the phone, which is always looking for a "correct" prior to permitting entrance to the operating system. Because that enclave is not internet connected even, hacking is effectively not an option. This is why Apple users have to authenticate their fingerprints/faces on each device, which is an incredibly clever design. 

    Something like this could mitigate the risk of hacking, but I suspect it'll be really challenging to make it hacker-proof for self-driving cars because the car would need to receive instructions from the internet. That would keep it pretty susceptible.
    Thanks for the explanation. 
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