Ethiopian Airlines flight crashes, all 157 on board killed, including 18 Canadians

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

I actually think a lot of it is you are far more likely to survive a car crash. But you are still far more likely to die in a car then in a plane.

yes, there's no such thing as a fender bender in a plane. 

Meltdown99

Boeing Max 8: Growing number of countries ground plane after fatal Ethiopian Airlines crash

https://globalnews.ca/news/5042684/ethiopian-airlines-boeing-737-max-8/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR1CglFK2hHKuUBbqs00vV63QmBYqDyz-
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A spokesman for Ethiopian Airlines, Asrat Begashaw, said the carrier had grounded its remaining four 737 Max 8 planes until further notice as an “extra safety precaution.”

The airline had been using five new 737 Max 8s and awaiting delivery of 25 more. Asrat said the search for body parts and debris from the crash was continuing.

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1105114251985854464

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The shits.

One of my worst nightmares.

Absolutely powerless to change your fate- plummeting to the earth and destined for death. Those people’s last moments would have been horrific.

I’ll be white knuckling to Maui in a week. 

Seriously. I'm really scared to fly now. I never used to be, but then I was in a "close call" personally, and ever since then I've been very worried about being a plane crash. It used to be fun, and now it's just SUCKS. I know what the low odds are, which is why I'm still willing to step foot on a plane, but that doesn't stop me from knowing it absolutely could happen to me - all I need is some bad timing/luck.

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/CP24/status/1105181078220881921

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1105185595222044672

I would not fly on this plane until they figure out the cause.  

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The shits.

One of my worst nightmares.

Absolutely powerless to change your fate- plummeting to the earth and destined for death. Those people’s last moments would have been horrific.

I’ll be white knuckling to Maui in a week. 

Seriously. I'm really scared to fly now. I never used to be, but then I was in a "close call" personally, and ever since then I've been very worried about being a plane crash. It used to be fun, and now it's just SUCKS. I know what the low odds are, which is why I'm still willing to step foot on a plane, but that doesn't stop me from knowing it absolutely could happen to me - all I need is some bad timing/luck.

I'm not afraid of flying.  It's the hassle to fly anymore.  I wonder if I'm the only one.  My very first flight was Detroit-Chicago-LA, we were about to touchdown and all of sudden the pilot has us airborne again, he comes on the PA and says "sorry folks, too much traffic on the runway"...people were gasping, my wife had this stunned look, and I said "this happens a lot".  It did not bother me, but I wanted her to feel comfortable flying...I always wondered what he meant to much traffic on the runway...I am thinking he meant congested and planes were taxiing to their gates.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The shits.

One of my worst nightmares.

Absolutely powerless to change your fate- plummeting to the earth and destined for death. Those people’s last moments would have been horrific.

I’ll be white knuckling to Maui in a week. 

Seriously. I'm really scared to fly now. I never used to be, but then I was in a "close call" personally, and ever since then I've been very worried about being a plane crash. It used to be fun, and now it's just SUCKS. I know what the low odds are, which is why I'm still willing to step foot on a plane, but that doesn't stop me from knowing it absolutely could happen to me - all I need is some bad timing/luck.

I'm not afraid of flying.  It's the hassle to fly anymore.  I wonder if I'm the only one.  My very first flight was Detroit-Chicago-LA, we were about to touchdown and all of sudden the pilot has us airborne again, he comes on the PA and says "sorry folks, too much traffic on the runway"...people were gasping, my wife had this stunned look, and I said "this happens a lot".  It did not bother me, but I wanted her to feel comfortable flying...I always wondered what he meant to much traffic on the runway...I am thinking he meant congested and planes were taxiing to their gates.

I couldn't care less about that - there are now so many ways to keep entertained during delays. I don't know why anyone would be horrified by taxi way delays unless they are late for a wedding or a job interview or something, and in most cases, they should have and could have planned better to avoid that problem.

I have been in planes where the pilot said, "we are 42nd in line for taxi"... if there is just one unexpected problem on one plane in queue or whatever, the schedule gets backed up quickly and badly. Yes, it happens all the time. People should factor in the possibility when making plans.

Meltdown99

Nothing better than hopping in my Jeep and taking a road trip...much better than sitting in noisy congested airports...by the way...it was on landing when the pilot had to take off again.  I think a plane trying to land should not have other planes on the runway...just my opinion...don't you.  I mean comparing planes leaving their gates to a plane landing is silly...big difference between landing and taxiing to the runway...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Nothing better than hopping in my Jeep and taking a road trip...much better than sitting in noisy congested airports...by the way...it was on landing when the pilot had to take off again.  I think a plane trying to land should not have other planes on the runway...just my opinion...don't you.  I mean comparing planes leaving their gates to a plane landing is silly...big difference between landing and taxiing to the runway...

Not that big a difference. It's just a different version of "shit happened and we all have to accommodate it."

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

If this is any consolation, I have read that the safest time to fly is the time after a major accident, airlines are extra vigilante in maintaining safe fleets.

Better yet, after three major accidents.  My father was an aeronautical engineer and a big part of his job was basically working as a liaison between a major U.S. airline and Boeing.  Every time a major accident occurred he would mention  that it was likely that two more would follow.  He was often correct.

I got tired of the guessing game and took my last flight about 30 years ago.  Yes, I would paddle to Hawaii before I would fly there again.

I’m kinda surprised by your unwillingness to fly. Do you drive a car? 

You have a 1-11million chance of dying on a plane.

1-5000 chance in a car

So true!  Yes, I drive and driving on a freeway in California is like a continuous flirtation with death.  But at least while driving I have the advantage of driving defensively rather than putting my hands in the life of pilots and air controller whom I don't know and who, for all I know,  might be stoned, drunk, sniffing glue, suicidal or sleep deprived.

And secondly, after being on two commercial flights that nearly ended in disaster, I'm not up for pushing my luck at three.

And lastly I've had numerous vivid plane crash dreams.  In the movie, "La Bamba", the Richie Valens character has a plane crash nightmare.  When I saw that scene in the movie, I took it as a sign and swore I would never fly again and since then have not.

But, yes, one's odds are better on a commercial flight than in a car.

benjs

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

If this is any consolation, I have read that the safest time to fly is the time after a major accident, airlines are extra vigilante in maintaining safe fleets.

Better yet, after three major accidents.  My father was an aeronautical engineer and a big part of his job was basically working as a liaison between a major U.S. airline and Boeing.  Every time a major accident occurred he would mention  that it was likely that two more would follow.  He was often correct.

I got tired of the guessing game and took my last flight about 30 years ago.  Yes, I would paddle to Hawaii before I would fly there again.

I’m kinda surprised by your unwillingness to fly. Do you drive a car? 

You have a 1-11million chance of dying on a plane.

1-5000 chance in a car

So true!  Yes, I drive and driving on a freeway in California is like a continuous flirtation with death.  But at least while driving I have the advantage of driving defensively rather than putting my hands in the life of pilots and air controller whom I don't know and who, for all I know,  might be stoned, drunk, sniffing glue, suicidal or sleep deprived.

And secondly, after being on two commercial flights that nearly ended in disaster, I'm not up for pushing my luck at three.

And lastly I've had numerous vivid plane crash dreams.  In the movie, "La Bamba", the Richie Valens character has a plane crash nightmare.  When I saw that scene in the movie, I took it as a sign and swore I would never fly again and since then have not.

But, yes, one's odds are better on a commercial flight than in a car.

Life's too short and travelling's too fulfilling for me. Between business trips and vacation this year, I'm committed to eight flights (and have already taken two). I have a glass of wine or two when I'm aboard, and if I die, I die. 

brianlux

benjs said:

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

If this is any consolation, I have read that the safest time to fly is the time after a major accident, airlines are extra vigilante in maintaining safe fleets.

Better yet, after three major accidents.  My father was an aeronautical engineer and a big part of his job was basically working as a liaison between a major U.S. airline and Boeing.  Every time a major accident occurred he would mention  that it was likely that two more would follow.  He was often correct.

I got tired of the guessing game and took my last flight about 30 years ago.  Yes, I would paddle to Hawaii before I would fly there again.

I’m kinda surprised by your unwillingness to fly. Do you drive a car? 

You have a 1-11million chance of dying on a plane.

1-5000 chance in a car

So true!  Yes, I drive and driving on a freeway in California is like a continuous flirtation with death.  But at least while driving I have the advantage of driving defensively rather than putting my hands in the life of pilots and air controller whom I don't know and who, for all I know,  might be stoned, drunk, sniffing glue, suicidal or sleep deprived.

And secondly, after being on two commercial flights that nearly ended in disaster, I'm not up for pushing my luck at three.

And lastly I've had numerous vivid plane crash dreams.  In the movie, "La Bamba", the Richie Valens character has a plane crash nightmare.  When I saw that scene in the movie, I took it as a sign and swore I would never fly again and since then have not.

But, yes, one's odds are better on a commercial flight than in a car.

Life's too short and travelling's too fulfilling for me. Between business trips and vacation this year, I'm committed to eight flights (and have already taken two). I have a glass of wine or two when I'm aboard, and if I die, I die. 

Good for you, Ben!  Go for it!  I enjoy hearing about people travels, especially when they are good at writing about it or talking about it.  For example, seeing Henry Rollins slide show travel talk was hugely cool!  Vicarious living can be great! 

Beside which, I've been to Italy, Canada, Mexico, the Bahamas, Hawaii twice and drive across the US seven times plus been to all but a few states.  My travel footprint is big  enough for one life time! 

PJ_Soul

I'm nervous flying now, but the one and only reason I rarely fly is simply because I can't afford air travel. It sucks.

Meltdown99

The Canadian airlines might as well ground those planes, they will not be able to land anywhere...

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1105444102651428869

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/BoyerMichel/status/1105524773168271360

PJ_Soul

Isn't the promise of a software upgrade kind of equivalent to them admitting there may be some problem with the plane?

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

Isn't the promise of a software upgrade kind of equivalent to them admitting there may be some problem with the plane?

No. 

In incident investigation you identify corrective actions. Some related to the incident , some of things you now see that didn’t cause the incident but could cause an incident, and some as extra layers of protection because you just can’t afford another incident of any kind.

So - could it be them admitting their was an issue? Maybe. But not certainly yet.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Isn't the promise of a software upgrade kind of equivalent to them admitting there may be some problem with the plane?

No. 

In incident investigation you identify corrective actions. Some related to the incident , some of things you now see that didn’t cause the incident but could cause an incident, and some as extra layers of protection because you just can’t afford another incident of any kind.

So - could it be them admitting their was an issue? Maybe. But not certainly yet.

Right, that's why I say "may be some problem with the plane."