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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,566
    when I read people saying how much their premiums are, and I look at the number and realize that's the same as my fucking mortgage payment, I'm in disbelief that anyone wouldn't want universal healthcare as well. it's amazing to me that's it's a debate at all. 

    have to go to the hospital? better sell your car or remortgage your home. jesus christ that's just an unbelievable reality to me. it doesn't compute. it's amazing that the entirety of america isn't super healthy tour de france cyclists with that kind of risk. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Pete has advocated for making Medicare an option on the exchange.  Because it's a good system,  people that don't have employee insurance will migrate there.  That's a pretty interesting proposal. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can't believe anyone is willing to even consider voting for a candidate who isn't super focused on healthcare for all.
    Not even the people who do not consider this to be the most important topic?  (I think that is a large # of people)

    People voted Grand Wizard Trump into office.  I can believe pretty much anything, at this point.
    My point is really that I can't believe that isn't the #1 demand of every single American. It's fucking crazy.
    Are there any D candidates that don't believe it's a right that should be afforded every American?
    Not many who are willing to actually tear down the current system and make it happen. Here's Biden meeting with health insurance CEOs and corporate lobbyists on his first day as a candidate - just that says something about the front runner in the polls.
    I don't support tearing it down either.  It's far too entrenched to do that.  His campaign site makes clear that he believes it's a right and that every American must have access to it. 
    Haha, while he's lunching with a health insurance CEO surrounded by Republican donors and corporate lobbyists thought? Gimme a break. Just that Biden didn't have the sense to actually do something symbolically positive on his first day speaks volumes IMHO.
    So you think America is permanently entrenched in that system?? So no hope for universal healthcare? That is very sad.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can't believe anyone is willing to even consider voting for a candidate who isn't super focused on healthcare for all.
    Not even the people who do not consider this to be the most important topic?  (I think that is a large # of people)

    People voted Grand Wizard Trump into office.  I can believe pretty much anything, at this point.
    My point is really that I can't believe that isn't the #1 demand of every single American. It's fucking crazy.
    Are there any D candidates that don't believe it's a right that should be afforded every American?
    Not many who are willing to actually tear down the current system and make it happen. Here's Biden meeting with health insurance CEOs and corporate lobbyists on his first day as a candidate - just that says something about the front runner in the polls.
    I don't support tearing it down either.  It's far too entrenched to do that.  His campaign site makes clear that he believes it's a right and that every American must have access to it. 
    Haha, while he's lunching with a health insurance CEO surrounded by Republican donors and corporate lobbyists thought? Gimme a break. Just that Biden didn't have the sense to actually do something symbolically positive on his first day speaks volumes IMHO.
    So you think America is permanently entrenched in that system?? So no hope for universal healthcare? That is very sad.
    Just curious if your source for that is the tweet that was posted here?  Do you think a progressive on Twitter is above lying to damage a Democrat?

    To your second question,  see my statement about Medicare on the exchange. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,566
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can't believe anyone is willing to even consider voting for a candidate who isn't super focused on healthcare for all.
    Not even the people who do not consider this to be the most important topic?  (I think that is a large # of people)

    People voted Grand Wizard Trump into office.  I can believe pretty much anything, at this point.
    My point is really that I can't believe that isn't the #1 demand of every single American. It's fucking crazy.
    Are there any D candidates that don't believe it's a right that should be afforded every American?
    Not many who are willing to actually tear down the current system and make it happen. Here's Biden meeting with health insurance CEOs and corporate lobbyists on his first day as a candidate - just that says something about the front runner in the polls.
    I don't support tearing it down either.  It's far too entrenched to do that.  His campaign site makes clear that he believes it's a right and that every American must have access to it. 
    Haha, while he's lunching with a health insurance CEO surrounded by Republican donors and corporate lobbyists thought? Gimme a break. Just that Biden didn't have the sense to actually do something symbolically positive on his first day speaks volumes IMHO.
    So you think America is permanently entrenched in that system?? So no hope for universal healthcare? That is very sad.
    just one of the few reasons the American electoral system is incredibly flawed:

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,504
    mrussel1 said:
    Pete has advocated for making Medicare an option on the exchange.  Because it's a good system,  people that don't have employee insurance will migrate there.  That's a pretty interesting proposal. 
    Could you explain that for a european person like myself? What is "the echange"?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    edited April 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can't believe anyone is willing to even consider voting for a candidate who isn't super focused on healthcare for all.
    Not even the people who do not consider this to be the most important topic?  (I think that is a large # of people)

    People voted Grand Wizard Trump into office.  I can believe pretty much anything, at this point.
    My point is really that I can't believe that isn't the #1 demand of every single American. It's fucking crazy.
    Are there any D candidates that don't believe it's a right that should be afforded every American?
    Not many who are willing to actually tear down the current system and make it happen. Here's Biden meeting with health insurance CEOs and corporate lobbyists on his first day as a candidate - just that says something about the front runner in the polls.
    I don't support tearing it down either.  It's far too entrenched to do that.  His campaign site makes clear that he believes it's a right and that every American must have access to it. 
    Haha, while he's lunching with a health insurance CEO surrounded by Republican donors and corporate lobbyists thought? Gimme a break. Just that Biden didn't have the sense to actually do something symbolically positive on his first day speaks volumes IMHO.
    So you think America is permanently entrenched in that system?? So no hope for universal healthcare? That is very sad.
    Just curious if your source for that is the tweet that was posted here?  Do you think a progressive on Twitter is above lying to damage a Democrat?

    To your second question,  see my statement about Medicare on the exchange. 
    I confirmed that these are indeed the folks that he is buttering up for funding today, yes. A fundraiser crammed full of those with corporate interests.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Pete has advocated for making Medicare an option on the exchange.  Because it's a good system,  people that don't have employee insurance will migrate there.  That's a pretty interesting proposal. 
    Could you explain that for a european person like myself? What is "the echange"?
    Obamacare created an exchange where you can price and purchase private insurance,  based on the coverage you want. It matches people with insurance companies that are willing to underwrite.  

    Pete is proposing to allow the purchases of Medicare. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can't believe anyone is willing to even consider voting for a candidate who isn't super focused on healthcare for all.
    Not even the people who do not consider this to be the most important topic?  (I think that is a large # of people)

    People voted Grand Wizard Trump into office.  I can believe pretty much anything, at this point.
    My point is really that I can't believe that isn't the #1 demand of every single American. It's fucking crazy.
    Are there any D candidates that don't believe it's a right that should be afforded every American?
    Not many who are willing to actually tear down the current system and make it happen. Here's Biden meeting with health insurance CEOs and corporate lobbyists on his first day as a candidate - just that says something about the front runner in the polls.
    I don't support tearing it down either.  It's far too entrenched to do that.  His campaign site makes clear that he believes it's a right and that every American must have access to it. 
    Haha, while he's lunching with a health insurance CEO surrounded by Republican donors and corporate lobbyists thought? Gimme a break. Just that Biden didn't have the sense to actually do something symbolically positive on his first day speaks volumes IMHO.
    So you think America is permanently entrenched in that system?? So no hope for universal healthcare? That is very sad.
    Just curious if your source for that is the tweet that was posted here?  Do you think a progressive on Twitter is above lying to damage a Democrat?

    To your second question,  see my statement about Medicare on the exchange. 
    I confirmed that these are the kind of folks that he is buttering up for funding today.
    How so?  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can't believe anyone is willing to even consider voting for a candidate who isn't super focused on healthcare for all.
    Not even the people who do not consider this to be the most important topic?  (I think that is a large # of people)

    People voted Grand Wizard Trump into office.  I can believe pretty much anything, at this point.
    My point is really that I can't believe that isn't the #1 demand of every single American. It's fucking crazy.
    Are there any D candidates that don't believe it's a right that should be afforded every American?
    Not many who are willing to actually tear down the current system and make it happen. Here's Biden meeting with health insurance CEOs and corporate lobbyists on his first day as a candidate - just that says something about the front runner in the polls.
    I don't support tearing it down either.  It's far too entrenched to do that.  His campaign site makes clear that he believes it's a right and that every American must have access to it. 
    Haha, while he's lunching with a health insurance CEO surrounded by Republican donors and corporate lobbyists thought? Gimme a break. Just that Biden didn't have the sense to actually do something symbolically positive on his first day speaks volumes IMHO.
    So you think America is permanently entrenched in that system?? So no hope for universal healthcare? That is very sad.
    Just curious if your source for that is the tweet that was posted here?  Do you think a progressive on Twitter is above lying to damage a Democrat?

    To your second question,  see my statement about Medicare on the exchange. 
    I confirmed that these are the kind of folks that he is buttering up for funding today.
    How so?  
    Huh? It's all over the internet. This isn't secret info. He's the main story of the day.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,504
    edited April 2019
    The idea that a private company should not be allowed to make money off of something as important as the education of our kids and the health of people. Is that even a talking point in the US? Amongst people, is that something that is brought up and discussed? On a philosophical level?

    That is a huge divide between the "left" and the "right" here in Sweden -- should we allow companies to make money off of our kids education (private schools) and people's health (private hospitals etc).

    Is that even up for debate -- or is it so normalized that private companies should be allowed? Even though maybe, healthcare should go through medicare or whatever?

    I mean in Sweden - we don't have private hospitals (they are run by the different "country councils") and even though private (and religious) schools are allowed nowadays there is a lot of debate concerning it, and many believe that it should be removed and companies should not be allowed to make money off of something as important as children's education.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    edited April 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    I assume you're a Biden supporter?
    He should have met with union leaders or something good like that on the first day of his campaign then, not with corporate fat cats that can pay him off through donations. The fundraiser today was held at the home of the CEO of Comcast no less. Like HFD said, they shouldn't even be allowed to accept donations from corporations (or unions) at all.
    I don't understand this comment about Bernie. You have a problem with his fairly modest worth of $2.5M? That would buy an average family home where I live, lol. FWIW, I think the criticism of Bernie having some money is fucking idiotic. All it does is show the critics' ignorance about what he actually stands for. 
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,504
    mrussel1 said:
     It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    Be better. No point in having a discussion on this Fox News level.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    I assume you're a Biden supporter?
    He should have met with union leaders or something good like that on the first day of his campaign then, not with corporate fat cats that can pay him off through donations. The fundraiser today was held at the home of the CEO of Comcast no less. Like HFD said, they shouldn't even be allowed to accept donations from corporations (or unions) at all.
    I don't understand this comment about Bernie. You have a problem with his fairly modest worth of $2.5M? That would buy an average family home where I live, lol. FWIW, I think the criticism of Bernie having some money is fucking idiotic. All it does is show the critics' ignorance about what he actually stands for. 
    The criticism is akin and as ridiculous as Biden going to a comcast executive house.   That's my point.  FWIW, Bidens net worth is reported at 700k. Pretty modest. 

    Also,  fyi, he has joined other candidates refusing donations from K street and unions.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,504
    Why is that Swallwell guy even running? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    edited April 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    I assume you're a Biden supporter?
    He should have met with union leaders or something good like that on the first day of his campaign then, not with corporate fat cats that can pay him off through donations. The fundraiser today was held at the home of the CEO of Comcast no less. Like HFD said, they shouldn't even be allowed to accept donations from corporations (or unions) at all.
    I don't understand this comment about Bernie. You have a problem with his fairly modest worth of $2.5M? That would buy an average family home where I live, lol. FWIW, I think the criticism of Bernie having some money is fucking idiotic. All it does is show the critics' ignorance about what he actually stands for. 
    The criticism is akin and as ridiculous as Biden going to a comcast executive house.   That's my point.  FWIW, Bidens net worth is reported at 700k. Pretty modest. 

    Also,  fyi, he has joined other candidates refusing donations from K street and unions.  
    Those two criticisms aren't even in the same ballpark, let alone akin to one another. One of them is related to the very real problem of corporate political funding pandering to lobbyists, and the other makes no sense.  
    I don't care what Biden or Bernie's net worth is.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    I assume you're a Biden supporter?
    He should have met with union leaders or something good like that on the first day of his campaign then, not with corporate fat cats that can pay him off through donations. The fundraiser today was held at the home of the CEO of Comcast no less. Like HFD said, they shouldn't even be allowed to accept donations from corporations (or unions) at all.
    I don't understand this comment about Bernie. You have a problem with his fairly modest worth of $2.5M? That would buy an average family home where I live, lol. FWIW, I think the criticism of Bernie having some money is fucking idiotic. All it does is show the critics' ignorance about what he actually stands for. 
    The criticism is akin and as ridiculous as Biden going to a comcast executive house.   That's my point.  FWIW, Bidens net worth is reported at 700k. Pretty modest. 

    Also,  fyi, he has joined other candidates refusing donations from K street and unions.  
    Those two criticisms aren't even in the same ballpark, let alone akin to one another. One of them is related to the very real problem of corporate political funding pandering to lobbyists, and the other makes no sense.  
    I don't care what Biden or Bernie's net worth is.
    Did you miss the part where he's not accepting corporate donations? 

    Im glad you don't care what their net worths are.  Do you care about the net worth of Jamie Dimon? Jeff Bezos? 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    edited April 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    I assume you're a Biden supporter?
    He should have met with union leaders or something good like that on the first day of his campaign then, not with corporate fat cats that can pay him off through donations. The fundraiser today was held at the home of the CEO of Comcast no less. Like HFD said, they shouldn't even be allowed to accept donations from corporations (or unions) at all.
    I don't understand this comment about Bernie. You have a problem with his fairly modest worth of $2.5M? That would buy an average family home where I live, lol. FWIW, I think the criticism of Bernie having some money is fucking idiotic. All it does is show the critics' ignorance about what he actually stands for. 
    The criticism is akin and as ridiculous as Biden going to a comcast executive house.   That's my point.  FWIW, Bidens net worth is reported at 700k. Pretty modest. 

    Also,  fyi, he has joined other candidates refusing donations from K street and unions.  
    Those two criticisms aren't even in the same ballpark, let alone akin to one another. One of them is related to the very real problem of corporate political funding pandering to lobbyists, and the other makes no sense.  
    I don't care what Biden or Bernie's net worth is.
    Did you miss the part where he's not accepting corporate donations? 

    Im glad you don't care what their net worths are.  Do you care about the net worth of Jamie Dimon? Jeff Bezos? 
    Yes I do, because their net worth symbolizes why capitalism is failing miserably. Why do you ask?


    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Oh and btw, he spent the last three weeks meeting with unions across the midwest.  I missed the progressive posts extolling that behavior.  I'm sure they will come any minute.  It will happen as soon as Bernie is done counting his millions. 
    I assume you're a Biden supporter?
    He should have met with union leaders or something good like that on the first day of his campaign then, not with corporate fat cats that can pay him off through donations. The fundraiser today was held at the home of the CEO of Comcast no less. Like HFD said, they shouldn't even be allowed to accept donations from corporations (or unions) at all.
    I don't understand this comment about Bernie. You have a problem with his fairly modest worth of $2.5M? That would buy an average family home where I live, lol. FWIW, I think the criticism of Bernie having some money is fucking idiotic. All it does is show the critics' ignorance about what he actually stands for. 
    The criticism is akin and as ridiculous as Biden going to a comcast executive house.   That's my point.  FWIW, Bidens net worth is reported at 700k. Pretty modest. 

    Also,  fyi, he has joined other candidates refusing donations from K street and unions.  
    Those two criticisms aren't even in the same ballpark, let alone akin to one another. One of them is related to the very real problem of corporate political funding pandering to lobbyists, and the other makes no sense.  
    I don't care what Biden or Bernie's net worth is.
    Did you miss the part where he's not accepting corporate donations? 

    Im glad you don't care what their net worths are.  Do you care about the net worth of Jamie Dimon? Jeff Bezos? 
    Yes I do, because their net worth symbolizes why capitalism is failing miserably. Why do you ask?


    So what's the cutoff? How much have you decided is enough for a person? 

    Btw, I give as much of a shit about Biden,  Bernie,  Booker or Klobuchar meeting with a state lobbyist as you do about Sanders being a millionaire.  Beat Trump.  That's it.  And while you're at it,  don't break up Amazon and Google. 
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