Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
I don't know. Maybe your pee trail to Russia with love (or whatever it is you always say) leads not to Trump, but to a "Trump-type," in Kraft.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
I don’t know that the Dem primary means a lot. The question is whether less-involved people (ie those who don’t vote in primaries) would have come out. Or even if some Trump votes would not have occurred because Bernie doesn’t have her baggage. I think he’d have lost but I don’t think their primary totals mean much for their prospects in the general.
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
Couple glasses of wine while watching these basketball games. I'll show myself out.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
I don’t know that the Dem primary means a lot. The question is whether less-involved people (ie those who don’t vote in primaries) would have come out. Or even if some Trump votes would not have occurred because Bernie doesn’t have her baggage. I think he’d have lost but I don’t think their primary totals mean much for their prospects in the general.
I disagree. The socialist tag would’ve done him in big time. Moderate independents would’ve been even more less likely to vote for him than her. And you can’t discount the primary. Everyone likes to say how passionate his supporters are/were....but despite all that hype he still lost rather handily.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
I don't know. Maybe your pee trail to Russia with love (or whatever it is you always say) leads not to Trump, but to a "Trump-type," in Kraft.
“Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.” Ongoing investigations, one of which equates to money laundering of ill gotten funds via kleptocracy.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
I think you are underestimating the dislike for Hillary. For those who were leaning against voting for Trump, the choice of Hillary pushed many towards voting for him. From what I read, she was seen as a worse option than Trump by a lot of people.
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
I don’t know that the Dem primary means a lot. The question is whether less-involved people (ie those who don’t vote in primaries) would have come out. Or even if some Trump votes would not have occurred because Bernie doesn’t have her baggage. I think he’d have lost but I don’t think their primary totals mean much for their prospects in the general.
I disagree. The socialist tag would’ve done him in big time. Moderate independents would’ve been even more less likely to vote for him than her. And you can’t discount the primary. Everyone likes to say how passionate his supporters are/were....but despite all that hype he still lost rather handily.
Oh, I totally agree with this. We’re splitting hairs but I was just pointing out that their primary totals are not very meaningful. Most party people would have voted for either one.
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
and Halifax is still a supporter???
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
and Halifax is still a supporter???
There are no sex trafficking charges. Putin on the ritz stealing his ring is well documented by reliable sources. Still afraid to answer the question? You a Steelers fan, sis?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
and Halifax is still a supporter???
Yeah the ring wasn't stolen. Kraft just paying Putin back what was owed. Reminder that Kraft turned up in the Panama Papers.... Anyone remember those?
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
and Halifax is still a supporter???
There are no sex trafficking charges. Putin on the ritz stealing his ring is well documented by reliable sources. Still afraid to answer the question? You a Steelers fan, sis?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…
and Halifax is still a supporter???
There are no sex trafficking charges. Putin on the ritz stealing his ring is well documented by reliable sources. Still afraid to answer the question? You a Steelers fan, sis?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
it's not.
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
it's not.
What is really odd is that a lot of tRump voters would have voted for Bernie. My guess is that they wouldn't vote for tRump again
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
it's not.
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
it's not.
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...
it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?
Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
it's not.
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...
it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?
When Bill hit the scene in about 1991, people hated her immediately. Most hated woman in America? Maybe not, but she was hated from day 1. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I really believe much of it was because she was the kind of woman that could succeed with or without her husband; not necessarily what we wanted (then or now) out of our first ladies.
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Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?
Yeah, she fucking sucked
3 million + sucked
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?
it's not.
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...
it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?
When Bill hit the scene in about 1991, people hated her immediately. Most hated woman in America? Maybe not, but she was hated from day 1. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I really believe much of it was because she was the kind of woman that could succeed with or without her husband; not necessarily what we wanted (then or now) out of our first ladies.
That and that she cut her teeth as a young staffer on the Nixon impeachment committee.
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