The Democratic Candidates

what dreams

Hi! said:

Biden/Klobuchar 2020

I'm impressed with Klobuchar. It's too bad that celebrity and charisma are the defining standards for presidential candidates. 

Hi!

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Hi!

what dreams said:

Hi! said:

Biden/Klobuchar 2020

I'm impressed with Klobuchar. It's too bad that celebrity and charisma are the defining standards for presidential candidates. 

Klobuchar will do well with moderates, women, normal humans, people afraid of socialism 

what dreams

mrussel1 said:  I'd be happy to vote for Klobuchar.  However, she's not truly in the mix.  When I check my priorities, Biden's strengths far outweigh his negatives.  

Klobuchar is not in the mix because of this self-defeating circular rationale among voters: So and so is not popular, so I won't support her/him, therefore he/she will never be popular. 
If you like a candidate, make him/her popular. Support the person you want, promote the person you want, convince other people. That's the freaking purpose of campaign season. It makes no sense to me that people just give up on their values and preferences this early in the campaign based on the popularity contest in the media. And then they blame the media instead of taking responsibility for their own choice to just cave in. 
  

mrussel1

what dreams said:

mrussel1 said:  I'd be happy to vote for Klobuchar.  However, she's not truly in the mix.  When I check my priorities, Biden's strengths far outweigh his negatives.  

Klobuchar is not in the mix because of this self-defeating circular rationale among voters: So and so is not popular, so I won't support her/him, therefore he/she will never be popular. 
If you like a candidate, make him/her popular. Support the person you want, promote the person you want, convince other people. That's the freaking purpose of campaign season. It makes no sense to me that people just give up on their values and preferences this early in the campaign based on the popularity contest in the media. And then they blame the media instead of taking responsibility for their own choice to just cave in. 
  

I don't know that I totally agree with you here.  I get what you're saying, but she hasn't had a truly national profile, so the media focuses less attention on her.  Warren started building her profile with her work on the CFPB, gaining momentum that has built through the last several years. 

mrussel1

Hi! said:

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Yeah, gun confiscation is just a terrible idea on which to campaign nationally.  It doesn't even matter what I think about the merits, it's too easy of a leap to say "the gov't will take this from you, what's next?"  

Hi!

mrussel1 said:

Hi! said:

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Yeah, gun confiscation is just a terrible idea on which to campaign nationally.  It doesn't even matter what I think about the merits, it's too easy of a leap to say "the gov't will take this from you, what's next?"  

Could you even imagine if a policy like this were actually implemented? It would be a fucking disaster.

Lerxst1992

Hi! said:

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Sounds reasonable to me.

But try that out on reddit politics. its scary how much they love socialized healthcare over there.

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

I'm seeing Biden support the public option, which would impact a greater share of americans and be the most important domestic program since FDR.

Im seeing Biden is not stupid enough to believe mandatory socialism will get him victories in swing states.

I'm seeing a candidate that resonates well with white moderate voters in swing states, which is the exact voter demographic dems need to target to win. Not socialist loving elites in cali and NY. For gawds sake Liz looks like hilary 2.0

I'm seeing Joe Biden not jumping off the democratic cliff diving suicide machine by promising mandatory govt healthcare for all.

If you have any doubts, please tell me, how well have healthcare mandates worked for democrats and why warren isn't smart enough to see this?

Her political ineptitude scares me a million times more than sleepy joe needing naptime. 

Lerxst1992

Jearlpam0925 said:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1172576081821368320?s=19

Are you noticing noone is attacking her (well  at least since trump made her look like a fool after her stupid dna test). Just wait. Trump will drop her again.socialism does not resonate with middle America 

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

Hi! said:

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Yeah, gun confiscation is just a terrible idea on which to campaign nationally.  It doesn't even matter what I think about the merits, it's too easy of a leap to say "the gov't will take this from you, what's next?"  

Are we sure that Beto is not actually a NRA operative using reverse psychology to get Trump votes?  Because that is all he is actually accomplishing by using his confiscation rhetoric. If you want to rile up the Republican base, go ahead and blatantly talk about “taking their guns”.  Talk about undermining the Democrat platform...

Lerxst1992

dankind said:

JimmyV said:

Gern Blansten said:

Kat said:

I didn't watch, still catching up, but I did hear something about a "record player" mention by Joe. It's like some in the media don't know about the vinyl resurgence at all. The world isn't all downloads.   Have a lucky day.

yeah it was an odd exchange...first thought was "holy shit" no one plays records anymore.

then of course I remembered the records that I recently purchased...and that my 18 year old has a record player in her room, etc.

I think absent the Castro attack it would have gotten much more attention last night and today. 

TAMBOURINES AND ELEPHANTS ARE PLAYIN' IN THE BAND!

MODERATOR: What responsibility do you think that Americans need to take to repair the legacy of slavery in our country?

BIDEN: Well, they have to deal with the—look, there’s institutional segregation in this country. From the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Redlining banks, making sure we are in a position where—look, you talk about education. I propose is we take the very poor schools, triple the amount of money we spend from $15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise to the $60,000 level.

Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home, we have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It’s crazy. The teachers are—I’m married to a teacher, my deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. Make sure that every single child does, in fact, have 3-, 4- and 5-year-olds go to school. Not day care, school.

Social workers help parents deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t know what to play the radio, make sure the television—excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the—make sure that kids hear words, a kid coming from a very poor school—a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time we get there.

MODERATOR: Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

BIDEN: No, I’m going to go like the rest of them do, twice over. Because here’s the deal. The deal is that we’ve got this a little backwards. By the way, in Venezuela, we should be allowing people to come here from Venezuela. I know Maduro. I’ve confronted Maduro. You talk about the need to do something in Latin America. I’m the guy that came up with $740 million to see to it those three countries, in fact, changed their system to people don’t have to chance to leave. You’re acting like we just discovered this yesterday. Thank you very much.

Help teachers, increase funding for the poor.  That's what I heard.

It's scary the record player gets people nervous and not the mandatory govt healthcare from Liz.

mickeyrat

IF we are to go to single payer, it seems perfectly logical to begin that by offering the public option. it isnt forced.  lead the horse to water , so to speak. eventually the horse gets thirsty.....

mcgruff10

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Hi! said:

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Yeah, gun confiscation is just a terrible idea on which to campaign nationally.  It doesn't even matter what I think about the merits, it's too easy of a leap to say "the gov't will take this from you, what's next?"  

Are we sure that Beto is not actually a NRA operative using reverse psychology to get Trump votes?  Because that is all he is actually accomplishing by using his confiscation rhetoric. If you want to rile up the Republican base, go ahead and blatantly talk about “taking their guns”.  Talk about undermining the Democrat platform...

Agreed. What a f’ing idiot.  

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Hi! said:

benjs said:

what dreams said:

So then let's all eliminate Sanders and Warren from our prospective candidate pool as well, if we're going to say that we don't want an elderly candidate to win the office. 
I agree it's difficult to listen to Biden bumble his way through a debate or speech. But I'm not going to jump on the ageism train in explaining it away. If you don't like Joe Biden because of his policy positions, his record, etc., then just say that. But if I go back through this thread and see a person applauding Warren or Sanders but crapping on Biden's age (which I won't because who has time for that), I will only conclude that you're using his age as an excuse to bash his candidacy instead of bashing his positions/record.
All three of them are old. When they're not trying to get through the god-awful grueling physical marathon of running for office, when they're actually sitting in the office with their cabinet and staff making decisions, I'm way more comfortable with Biden than the other two because I'm not a fan of the free-stuff-for-everybody approach to governing. 
You know who is also old? Pearl Jam. On three recent past tours, EV has busted his knee, his back, his voice is shot -- he should just retire from rock and roll. It's embarrassing watching an old guy try to be what he used to be. Right?

I don't care if you're 20 or 70 - for three and a half years we've watched incredulously as Trump delivered statement after statement making no sense. I'm sorry if others disagree with me, but Biden's response about health care - factoring in record players, not telling parents how to parent, repeating "look" at the beginning of his long-winded explanations, Venezuela, and embarrassingly asking for more time to continue to speak in a meandering nonsensical way - was as bad as many of Trump's speeches. I don't know if it's dementia or "just Joe", but he hasn't instilled any confidence in my mind over these three debates. Even on script, I find him a very bad speaker. To those who believe Biden is the best bet for a Democratic president, I'd love to hear what they're seeing which I'm not. 

If not Joe, better not be Sanders or Warren, I don’t think they can win. 
I think in the polling that there’s a percentage of people that won’t admit to supporting Trump. It’s going to be hard to beat Trump regardless, a liberal or self admitted socialist is going to lose. 
Losing Ideas:
1.) Gun confiscation 
2.) Medicare for all

Yeah, gun confiscation is just a terrible idea on which to campaign nationally.  It doesn't even matter what I think about the merits, it's too easy of a leap to say "the gov't will take this from you, what's next?"  

Are we sure that Beto is not actually a NRA operative using reverse psychology to get Trump votes?  Because that is all he is actually accomplishing by using his confiscation rhetoric. If you want to rile up the Republican base, go ahead and blatantly talk about “taking their guns”.  Talk about undermining the Democrat platform...

Agreed. What a f’ing idiot.  

but its what is getting him airplay.

what dreams

Good for Beto for speaking with courage at whatever political cost. I happen to agree with him that nobody needs an assault rifle and I would love it if the government rounded them all up. It's not going to happen in the near future, but I hope he keeps pushing this envelope. I dream of the day I no longer have to practice lockdown drills with 12 year olds and lie to them that we are all safe at school. Just had to do it yesterday. Last week my 8 year old nephew recounted his school's lockdown procedures and we had to lie to him too. How is it that we'll accept a government ban on flavored e-cigs after 10 people die but tens of thousands die from mass shootings and we think it's impossible to ban guns. I'm fed up, and I applaud Beto O'Rourke for going big. 

JimmyV

what dreams said:

Good for Beto for speaking with courage at whatever political cost. I happen to agree with him that nobody needs an assault rifle and I would love it if the government rounded them all up. It's not going to happen in the near future, but I hope he keeps pushing this envelope. I dream of the day I no longer have to practice lockdown drills with 12 year olds and lie to them that we are all safe at school. Just had to do it yesterday. Last week my 8 year old nephew recounted his school's lockdown procedures and we had to lie to him too. How is it that we'll accept a government ban on flavored e-cigs after 10 people die but tens of thousands die from mass shootings and we think it's impossible to ban guns. I'm fed up, and I applaud Beto O'Rourke for going big. 

Couldn't agree more. I don't care that it might not play well politically. Democrats that are scared off by this kind of talk are on the wrong side of the present and the future.

mrussel1

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

Good for Beto for speaking with courage at whatever political cost. I happen to agree with him that nobody needs an assault rifle and I would love it if the government rounded them all up. It's not going to happen in the near future, but I hope he keeps pushing this envelope. I dream of the day I no longer have to practice lockdown drills with 12 year olds and lie to them that we are all safe at school. Just had to do it yesterday. Last week my 8 year old nephew recounted his school's lockdown procedures and we had to lie to him too. How is it that we'll accept a government ban on flavored e-cigs after 10 people die but tens of thousands die from mass shootings and we think it's impossible to ban guns. I'm fed up, and I applaud Beto O'Rourke for going big. 

Couldn't agree more. I don't care that it might not play well politically. Democrats that are scared off by this kind of talk are on the wrong side of the present and the future.

I disagree because it's not happening any time soon.  So why create political damage by declaring for something not reasonably possible? BEto hung an albatross on everyone for no gain but to himself (if that). 

JimmyV

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

Good for Beto for speaking with courage at whatever political cost. I happen to agree with him that nobody itneeds an assault rifle and I would love it if the government rounded them all up. It's not going to happen in the near future, but I hope he keeps pushing this envelope. I dream of the day I no longer have to practice lockdown drills with 12 year olds and lie to them that we are all safe at school. Just had to do it yesterday. Last week my 8 year old nephew recounted his school's lockdown procedures and we had to lie to him too. How is it that we'll accept a government ban on flavored e-cigs after 10 people die but tens of thousands die from mass shootings and we think it's impossible to ban guns. I'm fed up, and I applaud Beto O'Rourke for going big. 

Couldn't agree more. I don't care that it might not play well politically. Democrats that are scared off by this kind of talk are on the wrong side of the present and the future.

I disagree because it's not happening any time soon.  So why create political damage by declaring for something not reasonably possible? BEto hung an albatross on everyone for no gain but to himself (if that). 

It will never happen at all if politicians are scared to talk about it. Someone needed to be first. Beto is almost certainly not going to be the nominee. Whoever is probably won't be echoing his sentiment...this time. But in 2024 or 2028? Maybe. We all know it's not going to happen now but it needs to happen sometime.

mrussel1

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

Good for Beto for speaking with courage at whatever political cost. I happen to agree with him that nobody itneeds an assault rifle and I would love it if the government rounded them all up. It's not going to happen in the near future, but I hope he keeps pushing this envelope. I dream of the day I no longer have to practice lockdown drills with 12 year olds and lie to them that we are all safe at school. Just had to do it yesterday. Last week my 8 year old nephew recounted his school's lockdown procedures and we had to lie to him too. How is it that we'll accept a government ban on flavored e-cigs after 10 people die but tens of thousands die from mass shootings and we think it's impossible to ban guns. I'm fed up, and I applaud Beto O'Rourke for going big. 

Couldn't agree more. I don't care that it might not play well politically. Democrats that are scared off by this kind of talk are on the wrong side of the present and the future.

I disagree because it's not happening any time soon.  So why create political damage by declaring for something not reasonably possible? BEto hung an albatross on everyone for no gain but to himself (if that). 

It will never happen at all if politicians are scared to talk about it. Someone needed to be first. Beto is almost certainly not going to be the nominee. Whoever is probably won't be echoing his sentiment...this time. But in 2024 or 2028? Maybe. We all know it's not going to happen now but it needs to happen sometime.

Ban the weapons first,  then start talking about step 2.

It's the same as single payor healthcare.  Look how long it took to accept Obamacare politically, but we're there.  Now do public option,  and then start on the M4A path.  It's a process both politically and in practice