The Democratic Candidates

HesCalledDyer

Does he or does he not basically say that black people don't know how to raise their children?

JimmyV

HesCalledDyer said:

Does he or does he not basically say that black people don't know how to raise their children?

That's reading what you want to read into gibberish. We either accept that the current state of the African American community in this country is related to the legacy of slavery in this country, or we don't. An answer can be bad without being racist. And, again, Biden was miles from cleverly disguising anything last night.  

ed243421

dankind said:

JimmyV said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

HesCalledDyer said:

The terrible, sad, & pathetic part is that the comment isn't even about record players.

You can actually understand what it’s about?

That particular part of it, yes. Cleverly disguised racism and blaming victims for being victimized.

Huh?

I know, right? I'm an editor (words, not film) by trade, so most of my waking life is spent helping folks communicate their ideas more clearly. I have been doing this for nearly 20 years, and if something hit my desk that looked like this, I would not even bother with it. It would go directly into the trash, and the author would receive a "thanks but no thanks" reply for the submission.

I beleive its “them there ideas”

 

mrussel1

dankind said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

mrussel1

The problem with  Castro's attack, even more than Kamalas previously,  is that it was wrong on the merits.  And that's why he's taking flak today.  Maybe Biden is old,  but Castro is either too stupid, too lazy,  or too premeditated in his attack.

dankind

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

mrussel1

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

dankind

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

mrussel1

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

dankind

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

A US presidential candidate should not say "something to the effect of" anything. A US presidential candidate should say precisely what s/he means to say. I don't think that Joe Biden is capable of this. I do believe that his heart is in the right place. I'm willing to extend that same belief to Julian Castro. I'm not voting for either one of them. It sounds like you are.

Also, I would hope that no one is "buying" votes. (There's that word again.)

mrussel1

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

A US presidential candidate should not say "something to the effect of" anything. A US presidential candidate should say precisely what s/he means to say. I don't think that Joe Biden is capable of this. I do believe that his heart is in the right place. I'm willing to extend that same belief to Julian Castro. I'm not voting for either one of them. It sounds like you are.

Also, I would hope that no one is "buying" votes. (There's that word again.)

Something to the effect is me paraphrasing because I'm not quoting.

dankind

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

A US presidential candidate should not say "something to the effect of" anything. A US presidential candidate should say precisely what s/he means to say. I don't think that Joe Biden is capable of this. I do believe that his heart is in the right place. I'm willing to extend that same belief to Julian Castro. I'm not voting for either one of them. It sounds like you are.

Also, I would hope that no one is "buying" votes. (There's that word again.)

Something to the effect is me paraphrasing because I'm not quoting.

But my estimation is that's exactly what happened, which would make quoting him antithetical to proving your point.

He didn't say what he meant to say. It came out wrong, and Castro offered him a chance to clarify because he and those watching or listening took his words to mean what those words mean.

mrussel1

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Jearlpam0925 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

A US presidential candidate should not say "something to the effect of" anything. A US presidential candidate should say precisely what s/he means to say. I don't think that Joe Biden is capable of this. I do believe that his heart is in the right place. I'm willing to extend that same belief to Julian Castro. I'm not voting for either one of them. It sounds like you are.

Also, I would hope that no one is "buying" votes. (There's that word again.)

Something to the effect is me paraphrasing because I'm not quoting.

But my estimation is that's exactly what happened, which would make quoting him antithetical to proving your point.

He didn't say what he meant to say. It came out wrong, and Castro offered him a chance to clarify because he and those watching or listening took his words to mean what those words mean.

No because I'm on a plane from Vegas and don't feel like looking up a transcript right now. 
The assumption is that because he didn't verbatim say what he previously said,  he must have forgotten.  That's a ridiculous position and a standard no one else is being held to. 

dankind

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HesCalledDyer said:

Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

A US presidential candidate should not say "something to the effect of" anything. A US presidential candidate should say precisely what s/he means to say. I don't think that Joe Biden is capable of this. I do believe that his heart is in the right place. I'm willing to extend that same belief to Julian Castro. I'm not voting for either one of them. It sounds like you are.

Also, I would hope that no one is "buying" votes. (There's that word again.)

Something to the effect is me paraphrasing because I'm not quoting.

But my estimation is that's exactly what happened, which would make quoting him antithetical to proving your point.

He didn't say what he meant to say. It came out wrong, and Castro offered him a chance to clarify because he and those watching or listening took his words to mean what those words mean.

No because I'm on a plane from Vegas and don't feel like looking up a transcript right now. 
The assumption is that because he didn't verbatim say what he previously said,  he must have forgotten.  That's a ridiculous position and a standard no one else is being held to. 

Safe travels.

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Also good on Castro for calling Biden out.  And fuck the media for saying "Castro's attack on Biden"  He caught Biden flipping on what he just said 2 sentences ago but he's the bad guy? He's the attacker.  Biden is the victim.  Fuck off with that shit!   No wonder this country is so fucked when it comes to politics.  Castro should be praised for calling him out on his lying, mind-changing bullshit.  But that's not what CNN, MSNBC, and the DNC want, they want to spread lies about personal attacks, making fun of Biden's memory, etc.  I mean, did Biden not fucking say the exact god damn opposite of what he said just a couple statements before? That's not a personal attack, that's questioning clarity of what someone said.

Preach.

Also props to Castro telling Buttigieg that this is a fucking primary, this is what elections are for - ain't nobody got time for "please this is not what the American people want" blah blah blah.

We're supposed to respect our elders, especially our white male elders -- you know, the ones mostly responsible for our nation's structural racism, overpopulation, the proliferation of gun violence, climate change,  etc. etc.

Who the fuck does this random Chicano think he is to talk to our white elder statesman that way?  

So this is a racism thing.  Got it.  Genius comments prevail 

That was one factor in my explanation for the public shaming of Julian Castro. So, yes, that's absolutely a thing, but it's not everything.

Also, I've never not been a genius. I was born this way.

How about Castro was wrong,  sloppy and premeditated and deserves the criticism.  You can be young and stupid and deserve the criticism for not understanding a nuanced point. 

Premeditated? I'm positive that everyone on that stage had "go after Joe" top of mind. He's the front-runner after all. So in that respect, yes, such a response was premeditated. But unless he had a transcript of Biden's ramblings beforehand, there's no possible way that his exact response was premeditated. Biden said buy into and not much later tried to assert that he didn't say that. It is in no way wrong to point out that he's being misleading. Sure, Biden may not have meant  "buy into," but that's what he said. And we're not here to read his mind; we're here to find out exactly what his vision and policies are for our nation and its citizenry. If anyone was sloppy during that exchange (and throughout the latter half of the debate), it was Biden. If the point one is trying to make is nuanced, one should choose one's words more carefully than Joe Biden did in this instance.

Premeditated because his opening statement foreshadowed his intent on old policies,  old ideas.  Then he sought to make what is fundamentally a policy disagreement into an acuity one.  Biden said something to the effect of everyone who can't afford it will get automatically enrolled,  not everyone will get enrolled nor there's isn't automatic enrollment. Castro was ready to imply age as a deterrent. 

 If you're going to take a shot at the leader and former VP, you better not miss. He missed. 

This won't buy him votes and probably cost him a cabinet position from more than one candidate. 

A US presidential candidate should not say "something to the effect of" anything. A US presidential candidate should say precisely what s/he means to say. I don't think that Joe Biden is capable of this. I do believe that his heart is in the right place. I'm willing to extend that same belief to Julian Castro. I'm not voting for either one of them. It sounds like you are.

Also, I would hope that no one is "buying" votes. (There's that word again.)

Something to the effect is me paraphrasing because I'm not quoting.

But my estimation is that's exactly what happened, which would make quoting him antithetical to proving your point.

He didn't say what he meant to say. It came out wrong, and Castro offered him a chance to clarify because he and those watching or listening took his words to mean what those words mean.

No because I'm on a plane from Vegas and don't feel like looking up a transcript right now. 
The assumption is that because he didn't verbatim say what he previously said,  he must have forgotten.  That's a ridiculous position and a standard no one else is being held to. 

Safe travels.

Danke 

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I'm down with him, but Bernie was flat out yelling the whole time.

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Beto losing my support based on his approach to gun control (mass confiscation essentially).  I do still admire his airdrumming and Napoleon Dynamite mimicking though.

Yeah confiscation is a no go for me.  If he s the dems candidate he just handed the election to trump with that stance.  

F Me In The Brain

Warren does much better with a stage where people are not fighting for time as much.  She still seems old but she didn't come off like an a-hole, which I felt she did last time with all of the yelling.  Bernie still comes across that way, though.

I think if you removed the 3 oldsters and had a debate it would be very interesting.

I don't agree with much of what they say, but I will vote for them anyway.

Also, the scripting out of that babbling from Joe is awesome.

Was watching with my wife and I said to her at the next break after that part - "If you were to write all of that out it would seem like a Trump answer.  He makes no sense.  1,000 years old, he is done."

Please, don't make me vote for great grandpa, America!  (But, I will.  And I think if he still had it all together he would be the guy.  He doesn't.)