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show me one Quality of Life metric where Sweden would be "second rate" compared to the US?mrussel1 said:
Pardon?Spiritual_Chaos said:
show me one Quality of Life metric where Sweden would be "second rate" compared to the US?mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
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I would have to see what everything costs, property taxes are drowning us in New Jersey.mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
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Yeah, you guys have it tough. Move on down to the commonwealth. People are normal here. Moderate taxes, moderate government (generally), great schools. We're not overrun by unions or crazy ass right wingers. I grew up in a union town and it definitely had problems. I never thought I'd like it in VA as much as I do. But 18 years here, and there's no other state I'd rather live.mcgruff10 said:
I would have to see what everything costs, property taxes are drowning us in New Jersey.mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
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In NJ, I've learned from this board, you also have weird fucking taxes where if you get into a higher tax bracket you pay a higher percentage on all of your pay and not just the amount above the threshold.mcgruff10 said:
I would have to see what everything costs, property taxes are drowning us in New Jersey.mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
That is just weird."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Because of family we are here for awhile. You do get what you pay for and New Jersey is always ranked 1/2 in public schools. It is just too damn crowded and expensive here.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, you guys have it tough. Move on down to the commonwealth. People are normal here. Moderate taxes, moderate government (generally), great schools. We're not overrun by unions or crazy ass right wingers. I grew up in a union town and it definitely had problems. I never thought I'd like it in VA as much as I do. But 18 years here, and there's no other state I'd rather live.mcgruff10 said:
I would have to see what everything costs, property taxes are drowning us in New Jersey.mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
I'll be in OBX in a few weeks which is in your neck of the woods. My Uncle, an upper east side resident of 35 years, just moved to Richmond with his husband and they are absolutely loving it. I really like it down there it is just too far from family and your pizza sucks.
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True, our pizza sucks. Interestingly, we have a huge Indian and Vietnamese community here.. that food most definitely does not suck. Have fun in the OBX. We go most every year. Last year we did that, along with Seattle, Missoula, and Boston. That was son's first 4 PJ shows. This year we are doing the keys. Have fun on that drive.. take 460. It's brutal, but worth it. They are some of the most beautiful beaches in the world.mcgruff10 said:
Because of family we are here for awhile. You do get what you pay for and New Jersey is always ranked 1/2 in public schools. It is just too damn crowded and expensive here.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, you guys have it tough. Move on down to the commonwealth. People are normal here. Moderate taxes, moderate government (generally), great schools. We're not overrun by unions or crazy ass right wingers. I grew up in a union town and it definitely had problems. I never thought I'd like it in VA as much as I do. But 18 years here, and there's no other state I'd rather live.mcgruff10 said:
I would have to see what everything costs, property taxes are drowning us in New Jersey.mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
I'll be in OBX in a few weeks which is in your neck of the woods. My Uncle, an upper east side resident of 35 years, just moved to Richmond with his husband and they are absolutely loving it. I really like it down there it is just too far from family and your pizza sucks.
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If you are going to the keys check out cheeca lodge in islamorada. It is one of the nicest hotels I have ever stayed in. We enjoyed islamorada a thousand times more than key west but too each their own.
In obx we are staying in south Nags head. Any local knowledge is most appreciative.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
we're actually doing a Hilton resort on Key Largo. My son and I are going a day early to see DMB in West Palm, then the girls fly in on Sat and we head down to Largo. We will do a day in Key West, so that's a good tip to stop there on the way down.mcgruff10 said:If you are going to the keys check out cheeca lodge in islamorada. It is one of the nicest hotels I have ever stayed in. We enjoyed islamorada a thousand times more than key west but too each their own.
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Make sure to stop at Robbie s and feed the tarpon! When you go to key west definitely leave early because from
memory I think you are looking at a 2 1/2 hour drive one way from key largo. The further south you get the less Florida it feels. (If that makes any sense). It is a good thing.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
That s funny. Who the heck is going to pay for it? Oh that s right, raise taxes!! Yeah no thanks.Spiritual_Chaos said:
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Remember when you say that, you are still the only major country without tax funded healthcare as a right. And most other of those countries seems to be beating you when it comes to being great places to live.mcgruff10 said:
That s funny. Who the heck is going to pay for it? Oh that s right, raise taxes!! Yeah no thanks.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Just think about it. Like for 45 sec to a minute.
And remember that you on average pay twice as much as we do for healthcare, with us paying it by theses pesky taxes you have been conditioned to hate.
Just think about it. Like for 45 sec to a minute.
And remember when we compared your pay and living to my brothers, who's also a teacher, and it seems you "saving on taxes" doesn't really matter that much in the end.
Just think about it. Like for 45 sec to a minute.
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Spiritual_Chaos said:Starting at 60 k? I don't think that will happen. I agree that teachers are underpaid but I also have a problem with a few other factors. To start with, parents expecting teachers to do the parenting. And parents who don't participate in kids education.The other thing may or may not be a problem any more but when I was in teaching, I had issues with the quality of work from many of my fellow teachers. I taught a 5/6 combo for a few years, subbed grades 4 through 12 for 4 years and worked with a community college course for a couple years. There were great teachers, of course, but there we also people in the job who had no business doing it. SOme really, really poor excuses for teachers. I often thought they needed weeding out.So if we are to raise teacher salaries, great! But at the same time, we need to cut out the slackers and dead wood and make teaching a respectable profession staffed with professional people."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Agreed. I think they should be paid more, generally, but we should also expect more. I would like that our best and brightest want to teach. I'm not sure that's the case today (McGruff aside, of course). Teachers in VA make in the 70's. That's not terrible. If the federal min wage was 60, the net effect of that will be that the good teachers' salaries are compressed to support the new and poor teachers. It's pure economics, something that escapes Bernie and many socialist.brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Starting at 60 k? I don't think that will happen. I agree that teachers are underpaid but I also have a problem with a few other factors. To start with, parents expecting teachers to do the parenting. And parents who don't participate in kids education.The other thing may or may not be a problem any more but when I was in teaching, I had issues with the quality of work from many of my fellow teachers. I taught a 5/6 combo for a few years, subbed grades 4 through 12 for 4 years and worked with a community college course for a couple years. There were great teachers, of course, but there we also people in the job who had no business doing it. SOme really, really poor excuses for teachers. I often thought they needed weeding out.So if we are to raise teacher salaries, great! But at the same time, we need to cut out the slackers and dead wood and make teaching a respectable profession staffed with professional people.0 -
That is sort of what I, from my anecdotal view, feel happend in Sweden too. With it being a shortage of teachers, floodgates were opened to the programs and people who are not suited to become teachers were getting in. I'm surprised by the people who I went to school with who then went on study to become teachers. I bet half of them dropped out, but still. It became the "nothing better to do" education after all industries (SAAB, Volvo etc) stopped soaking people up.brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Starting at 60 k? I don't think that will happen. I agree that teachers are underpaid but I also have a problem with a few other factors. To start with, parents expecting teachers to do the parenting. And parents who don't participate in kids education.The other thing may or may not be a problem any more but when I was in teaching, I had issues with the quality of work from many of my fellow teachers. I taught a 5/6 combo for a few years, subbed grades 4 through 12 for 4 years and worked with a community college course for a couple years. There were great teachers, of course, but there we also people in the job who had no business doing it. SOme really, really poor excuses for teachers. I often thought they needed weeding out.So if we are to raise teacher salaries, great! But at the same time, we need to cut out the slackers and dead wood and make teaching a respectable profession staffed with professional people.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Yeah after 18 years my wife and I are just below 80k a year. I just don’t see how a state like Oklahoma could afford paying first year teachers 60k a year.mrussel1 said:
Agreed. I think they should be paid more, generally, but we should also expect more. I would like that our best and brightest want to teach. I'm not sure that's the case today (McGruff aside, of course). Teachers in VA make in the 70's. That's not terrible. If the federal min wage was 60, the net effect of that will be that the good teachers' salaries are compressed to support the new and poor teachers. It's pure economics, something that escapes Bernie and many socialist.brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Starting at 60 k? I don't think that will happen. I agree that teachers are underpaid but I also have a problem with a few other factors. To start with, parents expecting teachers to do the parenting. And parents who don't participate in kids education.The other thing may or may not be a problem any more but when I was in teaching, I had issues with the quality of work from many of my fellow teachers. I taught a 5/6 combo for a few years, subbed grades 4 through 12 for 4 years and worked with a community college course for a couple years. There were great teachers, of course, but there we also people in the job who had no business doing it. SOme really, really poor excuses for teachers. I often thought they needed weeding out.So if we are to raise teacher salaries, great! But at the same time, we need to cut out the slackers and dead wood and make teaching a respectable profession staffed with professional people.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I thought you said they had a car? 1 SAAB? Now that’s embarrassingSpiritual_Chaos said:
My brother who is a teacher, and his gf is a nurse, can afford house, car (SAAB), kids, vacation etc.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
Get out of your hole, spit out the koolaid and start thinking a tad. I know you need mrussels respect. But come on now.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Ok enough with this parrot shit. Take it to pm. Keeping posting the same shit over and over is fucking annoying.Spiritual_Chaos said:
show me one Quality of Life metric where Sweden would be "second rate" compared to the US?mrussel1 said:
Pardon?Spiritual_Chaos said:
show me one Quality of Life metric where Sweden would be "second rate" compared to the US?mrussel1 said:
The attack ads practically write themselves. It's jut not in our culture to be reliant on the government for everything. I'm a big supporter of ensuring everyone has health care. I also support FMLA. But he's way out there. It won't happen in Bernie's lifetime, that's for sure.mcgruff10 said:
Hell no! And that is why Bernie will lose if he gets the nomination, who the heck wants to pay these insane rates? Yeah no thanks, I'm not that far to the left.mrussel1 said:
Ha! Around here we call those liquor-cycles... because you can still drive one after you get a DUI. And you're right. Can you imagine paying 34k in taxes on an income of 60k? And that's before you pay VAT or anything else. No thanks.mcgruff10 said:yeah f that:"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.
Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.
Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."
Spiritual do you make minimum wage? Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?
My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden! No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc. Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol
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Good point.cincybearcat said:
Second job means summer work.Spiritual_Chaos said:0
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