Leaving Neverland

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    The After Neverland interview is up on youtube.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The After Neverland interview is up on youtube.
    Thanks SC. I hope you get to see the actual doc soon - puts the interview in much more context. You said the 10th I believe. 

    Thanks for the YT news though.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited March 2019
    njnancy said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The After Neverland interview is up on youtube.
    Thanks SC. I hope you get to see the actual doc soon - puts the interview in much more context. You said the 10th I believe. 

    Thanks for the YT news though.
    9th, part 1
    10th, part 2

    On Swedish television. And I guess them airing it is the reason the HBO Nordic app hasn't made the doc available yet.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    Listening to the 2011 trial against michael jacksons doctor now. I'm hooked.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    Listened to all of these 78 minutes... and man... the lawyer comes of as really dumb

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOIyZjwJCDU&index=2&list=PL2E0A9BCC7823F02A
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    'The Simpsons' producers pull classic Michael Jackson episode following abuse claims
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/the-simpsons-producers-pull-classic-michael-jackson-episode-following-abuse-claims-1.4327870?fbclid=IwAR1pMvNsMkJXh1VgG50oBp2X9R3Xz3a17pxID36_DvVVqiP2O0PsCEpWwYQ

    It took an HBO special before many more people realized what many of us already knew, that wacko jacko was a sicko...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    That's stupid. I hate the idea of any past material being pulled from anywhere in cases like this. It's way too subjective. I think it has to be an all or nothing thing, which of course leaves nothing as the only reasonable option.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    Did this documentary interview any of the people that lied about abuse?

    I remember a string of people coming forward and they had all proven to be lying about the whole thing.

    Just curious.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    I struggle to think that anyone would concoct such elaborate and humiliating descriptions of abuse and tear their families apart just on the chance that they might make some money out of it.  The big picture here is pretty clear - Michael Jackson liked sharing his bed with young boys, not young girls, young boys.  That in itself indicates a preference.  Given the experiences these two men are claiming, I think their explanations as to why they initially lied and helped cover up his crimes, are far more plausible than the idea of him being a man-child who innocently enjoyed the company of young boys.

    I think more victims will come forward, much the same as the Jimmy Saville case.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited March 2019
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Did this documentary interview any of the people that lied about abuse?

    I remember a string of people coming forward and they had all proven to be lying about the whole thing.

    Just curious.
    Both of the guys that the documentary is about lied in court about abuse. One guy did it at both trials - when he was 11 and 22 - he told his family not to when he was 22 but when he denied abuse to his mother, she told him he had to help MJ, as did the entire family. The other guy testified at the first trial when he was about 14 but refused to at the second and told his mother Micheal is an evil man but wouldn't get help or admit anything, just said enough to keep them out of the trial.


    Both guys crossed paths with each either in MJ's world a couple of times, but he only had one 'special' friend at a time. 

    If you mean people who lied about MJ abusing them, I don't know of anyone who did that.   They say that the two boys that had accused MJ were telling the truth but they were not able to even acknowledge that what happened to them was abuse because they did not feel like they were harmed. They were also extensively coached from the beginning on never speaking about the sexual stuff. I don't say alleged because I believe them. 

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    Its: 01:12 here in Sweden and Swedish television releases the documentary in 48 minutes for streaming! 

    Go to sleep or stay up.... hmm..
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,681
    What about Jackson 5 music or to a lesser extent Rockwell's Somebody's Watching Me?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1tGqn4jXc
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    It took this documentary for people to realize the sicko, was indeed a twisted POS who never got the full brunt of Justice.  Me and my buddies new something were odd with him in the 80's really, really odd.  I am just glad that I will likely never accidentally hear his garbage music again, and that I never spent 1 penny on anything Jackson.  Sick fuckers like that don't deserve riches.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    Meltdown99 said:
    Me and my buddies new something were odd with him in the 80's really, really odd. 
    Please elaborate. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    PJ_Soul said:
    That's stupid. I hate the idea of any past material being pulled from anywhere in cases like this. It's way too subjective. I think it has to be an all or nothing thing, which of course leaves nothing as the only reasonable option.
    I agree. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJ_Soul said:
    That's stupid. I hate the idea of any past material being pulled from anywhere in cases like this. It's way too subjective. I think it has to be an all or nothing thing, which of course leaves nothing as the only reasonable option.
    It’s an interesting situation, because throughout history there has been a lot of great art created by a lot of questionable people. Do we now feel we have to get rid of it all? And if not all, how far back? Just from our century? Just artists who are still alive? Everyone?? Picasso, Gaugin, Caravaggio? Norman Mailer, Ben Johnson, William Golding - all did terrible things, and that’s not even counting more garden variety terrible behaviour like racism and anti-Semitism. 

    I tend to agree with you - only all or nothing makes sense, so it has to be nothing, society-wise. Individual people are free to make their own individual choices of course.  
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited March 2019
    oftenreading said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    That's stupid. I hate the idea of any past material being pulled from anywhere in cases like this. It's way too subjective. I think it has to be an all or nothing thing, which of course leaves nothing as the only reasonable option.
    It’s an interesting situation, because throughout history there has been a lot of great art created by a lot of questionable people. Do we now feel we have to get rid of it all? And if not all, how far back? Just from our century? Just artists who are still alive? Everyone?? Picasso, Gaugin, Caravaggio? Norman Mailer, Ben Johnson, William Golding - all did terrible things, and that’s not even counting more garden variety terrible behaviour like racism and anti-Semitism. 

    I tend to agree with you - only all or nothing makes sense, so it has to be nothing, society-wise. Individual people are free to make their own individual choices of course.  
    I don't crank an album by Picasso (as an example) while I do my dishes or in the car going to work.

    I would not mind there being a Michael Jackson exhibit somewhere. But there is a difference between that an putting on Billie Jean on a party (if you believe MJ did what is being said). There is a difference between being a big part of our history and culture, and being all "I love singing along to this child molester!!"
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    igotid88 said:
    What about Jackson 5 music or to a lesser extent Rockwell's Somebody's Watching Me?
    I love the Jackson 5. I see them as a separate entity. 

    Music didn't molest kids, a person did. 


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