Where does Pearl Jam go from here?

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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    DukeSpirit said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    For the first time ever, the shows this summer felt kind of gimmicky. 
    I've felt this way since the 2013 shows. 
    What gimmick are we talking about here? The whole tambourine thing is a gimmick and overplayed imo but people eat it up and love it so I think I am in the minority on that one(most on this site would agree I would bet though). Aside from that what gimmick are they using? Also with the stadium shows aside from the setting you could take those sets and put them in an arena and they would fit perfectly. Is the setting the gimmick? 
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,623
    “...and we’re excited to see what the future holds.”

    If I were going to read into this, it comes across as nothing is on the table in the near future. It feels so distant compared to if they said “we are excited for 2019.” 
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  • DukeSpirit
    DukeSpirit Posts: 278
    PJNB said:
    DukeSpirit said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    For the first time ever, the shows this summer felt kind of gimmicky. 
    I've felt this way since the 2013 shows. 
    What gimmick are we talking about here? The whole tambourine thing is a gimmick and overplayed imo but people eat it up and love it so I think I am in the minority on that one(most on this site would agree I would bet though). Aside from that what gimmick are they using? Also with the stadium shows aside from the setting you could take those sets and put them in an arena and they would fit perfectly. Is the setting the gimmick? 
    The whole swinging on the globes thing during porch. The setlists started to get more formulatic. The tambourine thing. There are a few more things that are a bit off. Things that happen at the same times durring the same songs. 

    All in all not a big deal. 
  • ShanKathy
    ShanKathy Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 314
    New music and a hologram tour a la ABBA. Fan club gets to vote on the era for the hologram figures.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,673
    ShanKathy said:
    New music and a hologram tour a la ABBA. Fan club gets to vote on the era for the hologram figures.
    OMG, now that sounds like a gimmick. 

    I guess a lot of people like a show to be a big flamboyant deal.  In my years of concert going, a few spontaneous incidences like an audience member passing up a guitar for Pete Townshend to smash (he simple tossed it up in the air a few time and passed it back) or Jimi Hendrix having had enough with his amp cutting out and bayoneting it with his Strat, those were fun or exciting and unexpected.  But pre-planned gimmicks and hoopla are not my thing.  I go to concerts for one reason:  to see and hear good music being performed.  That's what we got in Missoula in 2012- great music played with passion and commitment. True, there were a few moments of speechifying but it was a benefit show so that was to be expected.  But no gimmicks.  It was great. One of the top four or five shows in my life.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    Voodoo lounge was also the Stones' 20th album. PJ has ten
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    NewJPage said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    Voodoo lounge was also the Stones' 20th album. PJ has ten
    Pearl Jam's albums are quality though.  The Stones had singles and the rest wasn't very good. 
  • timdwilli
    timdwilli Posts: 297
    NewJPage said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    Voodoo lounge was also the Stones' 20th album. PJ has ten
    Doesn't that make it all the more impressive that they still had that level of creative output and the stamina for such a grueling tour?
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,020
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,673
    edited December 2018
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,914
    The other thing was PJ tours weren't big to begin with.  '98 was 3 legs and 80ish dates.  '00 was similar.  Aside from the early period before the hit brakes and took control of their own destiny, they never did big tours like the Stones one being mention.  Therefore them pulling back is on a different bar because they didn't start out that high.

    That being said I think the Stones have only played Vancouver 3 times in the last 30 years.   Did they take loads of years off between their mega tours?   I missed Steel Wheels because I was a kid and had no money.   I missed the 90's show.. well I'm not sure why.  I missed the 00's show because I had moved to Edmonton.    This year I'm going to finally see them play :)  Still it doesn't seem like they're an easy band to go see.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,020
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    So you think Ed, Stone, Mike, and Jeff lead more extravagant lifestyles than The Rolling Stones?

    I love this place. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    So you think Ed, Stone, Mike, and Jeff lead more extravagant lifestyles than The Rolling Stones?

    I love this place. 
    No, I think he was implying that they don’t need touring dollars to afford their extravagant lifestyles.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,673
    edited December 2018
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    So you think Ed, Stone, Mike, and Jeff lead more extravagant lifestyles than The Rolling Stones?

    I love this place. 
    Huh?  Where did you get that from what I said?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,020
    bootlegger10 said:
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    So you think Ed, Stone, Mike, and Jeff lead more extravagant lifestyles than The Rolling Stones?

    I love this place. 
    No, I think he was implying that they don’t need touring dollars to afford their extravagant lifestyles.
    Mick’s country estate... pretty sure the touring helps with the upkeep. 


    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,673
    edited December 2018
    I think we've reached one of those rare times where a Pearl Jam forum thread veers off topic.  :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,020
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    So you think Ed, Stone, Mike, and Jeff lead more extravagant lifestyles than The Rolling Stones?

    I love this place. 
    Huh?  Where did you get that from what I said?
    My bad... thought you meant that the Stones were less extravagant than Ed and the rest of the guys. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,673
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    on2legs said:
    timdwilli said:
    The band is roughly the same age that the Stones were for Voodoo Lounge. The VL tour was 129 (mostly stadium) shows on 6 continents in just over a year. That's pretty astonishing. A comparable album and a tour even 1/3 of that would be amazing right now for PJ
    I’m going out on a limb and say that Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones lead way more extravagant lifestyles than the guys in Pearl Jam.  Touring that much might be a necessity and not by preference or a reflection of their commmitment to music. 
    I would guess otherwise.  Mick Jagger is an economics wiz and probably makes a ton of money off his investments.  And Keith and Charlie just love making music and it's hard to picture them playing just for the money.
    So you think Ed, Stone, Mike, and Jeff lead more extravagant lifestyles than The Rolling Stones?

    I love this place. 
    Huh?  Where did you get that from what I said?
    My bad... thought you meant that the Stones were less extravagant than Ed and the rest of the guys. 
    No worries.

    Compared to most of us, all of these guys live extravagantly.   Even Bill Wyman, who hasn't toured with the Stones since 1992, still has a net worth of $80 million!  I have no idea what $80 Mil looks like!

    So, on2legs, where to you see Pearl Jam headed these days?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,876
    They definitely haven’t followed Neil’s path in any way, the guy has released 40 albums in less than 60 years. Meanwhile we’re gonna be at the 6 year mark with only 1 new song in between albums. They’re just gonna do them, touring without a new record is fine by me, touring with a record is fine by me. If they take a hiatus so be it. 
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  • BrainofBGA
    BrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,559
    From here...well I think they’re waiting on Ed to put lyrics down to the music, from the very small info we’ve had, the guys have got together a number of times to lay down music, and there was a hint of frustration recently in either Mike or Jeff’s voice when quizzed on new album progress. 
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