Elon Musk

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

May be an image of 1 person dog and the Oval Office

tbergs · February 10

That's pretty amazing 😅

DE4173 · February 10

Next Time cover? 😄

tbergs · February 10

Tim Simmons said:

I'd rather have more EVs and charging stations if the tradeoff is Elon still gets money. We need to move past oil.

It's a tough conundrum. Oil is definitely not the solution, but neither is cobalt/nickel/copper dependency for batteries. The solution is less travel or something that we don't need to tear the earth apart to fuel transportation. I used to think electric was the answer, but not with these massive resource sucking batteries. I would bet that Trump's push for Canada and Greenland is no coincidence based on Elon running the show. He wants to plunder those places for their rare earth minerals.

Tim Simmons · February 10

More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

DE4173 · February 10

People debate whether or not Die Hard is a Christmas movie.

No one talks of Singles being a public transit movie.

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

Tim Simmons said:

More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

FIFTEEN MINUTES CITIES YOU SAY?? LEFTIST RADICAL!!!

Gern Blansten · February 10

tbergs said:

Tim Simmons said:

I'd rather have more EVs and charging stations if the tradeoff is Elon still gets money. We need to move past oil.

It's a tough conundrum. Oil is definitely not the solution, but neither is cobalt/nickel/copper dependency for batteries. The solution is less travel or something that we don't need to tear the earth apart to fuel transportation. I used to think electric was the answer, but not with these massive resource sucking batteries. I would bet that Trump's push for Canada and Greenland is no coincidence based on Elon running the show. He wants to plunder those places for their rare earth minerals.

I had that same thought. Which is why not being a douche with tariffs would be a good idea. Canada might come back at us with a vengeance when the time comes.

mickeyrat · February 10

Tim Simmons said:

More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

solar on existing structures and added to new builds. Solar embedded glass. Solar carport situations in office parking lots(more comfortable getting in your car in the summer to boot.)

other innovative ways to utilize the energy from the sun....

Gern Blansten · February 10

mickeyrat said:

Tim Simmons said:

More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

solar on existing structures and added to new builds. Solar embedded glass. Solar carport situations in office parking lots(more comfortable getting in your car in the summer to boot.)

other innovative ways to utilize the energy from the sun....

but solar still requires the batteries...it seems like that is the problem for the future

OnWis97 · February 10

Transportation planning is my field and sometimes I think it's the most failed field in America.

What we primarily need is a time machine to undo all the hasty ripping out of streetcar tracks and and road building we did in the 1940s-1960s. We put all our eggs in the single-occupant vehicle basket and the results are disastrous. Check out this nice summary why building for all modes is better for all travelers, including drivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k. I'd move to Amsterdam right now if I could.

Road building is essentially a ponzi scheme and we continue to build every housing development their own interchange ("if you come, they will build it."). We let development drive transportation infrastructure when it should have been the other way around.

Electric vehicles are not meant to save the world but the auto industry. At best, they're the answer to "how the richest among us travel without resorting to public transit or carpooling for a bit longer." As mentioned above, the development of batteries also taps finite resources (with human rights issues that make the oil industry look like summer camp). And the best part:

Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns

https://safety21.cmu.edu/2024/03/06/electric-cars-release-more-toxic-emissions-than-gas-powered-vehicles-and-are-worse-for-the-environment-resurfaced-study-warns/

I'm reminded of an exchange on another (sports-related of all things) board I was on asking people if they preferred cities or suburbs. One response was "Suburbs all the way." Among his reasons was "don't want to be a slave to the bus driver. He later mentioned that his commute was 30 to 60 minutes, depending on traffic. I guess we're all a slave to something...

mickeyrat · February 10

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

Tim Simmons said:

More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

solar on existing structures and added to new builds. Solar embedded glass. Solar carport situations in office parking lots(more comfortable getting in your car in the summer to boot.)

other innovative ways to utilize the energy from the sun....

but solar still requires the batteries...it seems like that is the problem for the future

then you look to recycling those as much as possible. but really feed as much real time solar into the grid, reducing coal/nat gas until its really needed.

meantime, fund research of other harm reduced means of power.....

Gern Blansten · February 10

I was reading that there is about 47 years of oil left for us at current usage levels....odd to think in those terms

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

Gern Blansten said:

I was reading that there is about 47 years of oil left for us at current usage levels....odd to think in those terms

I didn't know they had accurate estimates on how much was left.

Gern Blansten · February 10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

I was reading that there is about 47 years of oil left for us at current usage levels....odd to think in those terms

I didn't know they had accurate estimates on how much was left.

not sure on accuracy but it's pretty amazing based on the amount we consume

Tim Simmons · February 10

OnWis97 said:

Transportation planning is my field and sometimes I think it's the most failed field in America.

What we primarily need is a time machine to undo all the hasty ripping out of streetcar tracks and and road building we did in the 1940s-1960s. We put all our eggs in the single-occupant vehicle basket and the results are disastrous. Check out this nice summary why building for all modes is better for all travelers, including drivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k. I'd move to Amsterdam right now if I could.

Road building is essentially a ponzi scheme and we continue to build every housing development their own interchange ("if you come, they will build it."). We let development drive transportation infrastructure when it should have been the other way around.

Electric vehicles are not meant to save the world but the auto industry. At best, they're the answer to "how the richest among us travel without resorting to public transit or carpooling for a bit longer." As mentioned above, the development of batteries also taps finite resources (with human rights issues that make the oil industry look like summer camp). And the best part:

Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns

https://safety21.cmu.edu/2024/03/06/electric-cars-release-more-toxic-emissions-than-gas-powered-vehicles-and-are-worse-for-the-environment-resurfaced-study-warns/

I'm reminded of an exchange on another (sports-related of all things) board I was on asking people if they preferred cities or suburbs. One response was "Suburbs all the way." Among his reasons was "don't want to be a slave to the bus driver. He later mentioned that his commute was 30 to 60 minutes, depending on traffic. I guess we're all a slave to something...

Great info. Thanks!

Bentleyspop · 12:08AM

Waiting for the EO making it illegal to trade in a Tesla

Owner of a Golden Tesla Cybertruck Says He Can No Longer Handle the Constant Harasment. He Adds, “I Tried to Trade in the Cybertruck, but Tesla Won’t Accept It”

https://www.torquenews.com/11826/owner-golden-tesla-cybertruck-says-he-can-no-longer-handle-constant-harasment-he-adds-i-tried

Elon Musk

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Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns

Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns

Owner of a Golden Tesla Cybertruck Says He Can No Longer Handle the Constant Harasment. He Adds, “I Tried to Trade in the Cybertruck, but Tesla Won’t Accept It”