Who Should Get Into the RRHOF First?

rummy

Alice In Chains

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Can't believe Soundgarden and AIC have not been inducted.
Have Faith No More been inducted?

I'd disagree but, unfortunately, many would consider FNM a one hit wonder. They're not getting in.

deadendp

Alice In Chains

Although I very much like FNM,  there are plenty of bands who should come first... 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/consequenceofsound.net/2018/12/the-20-worst-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs/amp/

tempo_n_groove

Alice In Chains

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

When I think metal, AIC is the last band that comes to mind.  Maybe our definition of metal may be different?

To be honest this topic has peaked my interest with influences.

That's because of the 80's bands that overtook the "heavy metal" genre with thrashing and Cookie Monster vocals.
Sabbath and Deep Purple were the original heavy metal bands.  People now associate speed with metal and metal with speed, but the original heavy metal sound was slower and...heavier instead of just louder.  Modern thrash metal isn't heavy at all, it doesn't weigh you down, it bounces you up.  

AIC, the originals, they can make your very soul feel heavy in a way that Metallica has never even come close to touching.

I don't think you really listened to Metallica...

DewieCox

Alice In Chains

I’m surprised Tool hasn’t been nominated and inducted.

tempo_n_groove

Alice In Chains

DewieCox said:

I’m surprised Tool hasn’t been nominated and inducted.

The writers at Rollingstone have no idea who they are plus they only vote people in that they know will show up.  Hell Kiss almost didn't come to their inauguration so I don't think TOOL would even come.

Pap

Mad Season

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rummy said:

Sadly, if Soundgarden isn't getting in, then neither is AIC.

Both will get in.

That's why I voted for MS.

DewieCox

Alice In Chains

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

I’m surprised Tool hasn’t been nominated and inducted.

The writers at Rollingstone have no idea who they are plus they only vote people in that they know will show up.  Hell Kiss almost didn't come to their inauguration so I don't think TOOL would even come.

They’re one of the biggest bands around. I’m sure RS knows who they are and I think they’d show up. They’re more rockstar than their image often informs.

rgambs

Alice In Chains

deadendp said:

Although I very much like FNM,  there are plenty of bands who should come first... 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/consequenceofsound.net/2018/12/the-20-worst-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs/amp/

Dang, I feel like half of these aren't snubs at all.
I also feel like Doobie Brothers should be near the top of this list.  I'm sure the Michael McDonald years are counting against them a bit, but the early Tom Johnston Doobie Brothers albums are fantastic.  

rgambs

Alice In Chains

I also think Styx and Kansas are more deserving than some of those as well.

tempo_n_groove

Alice In Chains

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

I’m surprised Tool hasn’t been nominated and inducted.

The writers at Rollingstone have no idea who they are plus they only vote people in that they know will show up.  Hell Kiss almost didn't come to their inauguration so I don't think TOOL would even come.

They’re one of the biggest bands around. I’m sure RS knows who they are and I think they’d show up. They’re more rockstar than their image often informs.

You don't know TOOL.

One of the biggest bands around hasn't made an album in 12 years...

They don't stream their albums for a reason.

deadendp

Alice In Chains

rgambs said:

deadendp said:

Although I very much like FNM,  there are plenty of bands who should come first... 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/consequenceofsound.net/2018/12/the-20-worst-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs/amp/

Dang, I feel like half of these aren't snubs at all.
I also feel like Doobie Brothers should be near the top of this list.  I'm sure the Michael McDonald years are counting against them a bit, but the early Tom Johnston Doobie Brothers albums are fantastic.  

I definitely agree that Depeche Mode, Iron Maiden, Pixies, Devo and NIN should be in.  Others on that list, probably.  I will also admit that I am not as familiar with all of them as I should be.  

rgambs said:

I also think Styx and Kansas are more deserving than some of those as well.

My death metal loving husband went through a Styx phase for a while.  I truly wanted to rip my ears off of my head.  One of his people stated that Styx was a big influence.  (I cannot recall who that would be, but Vinnie in Pantera might be the one.)  At any rate, no thank you.

Zod

Alice In Chains

It seems to me that RROH has an m.o.  They usually find a big band to nominate, to be the headliners of the event.   Then maybe a band from another genre.  Then bands that had medium level success.    I consider PJ/Nirvana to be the big guns of the Seattle era.   Soundgarden/AiC weren't quite as big.   I fully expect Soundgarden/AiC to get in one day.  It's only that they weren't one of those big guns that gets in on the first ballot.

I'm actually surprised it took this long to induct Def Leppard.  They were huge in the day.   Sold god knows how many copies of Pyromania, Hysteria, and Adrenalize.  

DewieCox

Alice In Chains

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

I’m surprised Tool hasn’t been nominated and inducted.

The writers at Rollingstone have no idea who they are plus they only vote people in that they know will show up.  Hell Kiss almost didn't come to their inauguration so I don't think TOOL would even come.

They’re one of the biggest bands around. I’m sure RS knows who they are and I think they’d show up. They’re more rockstar than their image often informs.

You don't know TOOL.

One of the biggest bands around hasn't made an album in 12 years...

They don't stream their albums for a reason.

What’s that mean? Yeah, I don’t know them personally but I’ve gleened about as much info on them through the years as a fan could. Maynard and his vineyard is as rock star cliche as it gets, Danny cruises around in a Lambo, and Adam Jones has played the national anthem at big wrestling shows. I’m not saying they some cheesy over the top asshats, but they definitely take advantage of their success.

Hasnt made an album in 12 years and would sell out a tour tomorrow. When their album does come out it will be one of the biggest and best releases of the year.

I don’t get what streaming or not has to do with it.

F Me In The Brain

rummy said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Can't believe Soundgarden and AIC have not been inducted.
Have Faith No More been inducted?

I'd disagree but, unfortunately, many would consider FNM a one hit wonder. They're not getting in.

Those people would be whack.

FNM has a large catalog of work (7 albums) spanning 30+ years of activity. 

Agree that they are not getting in but they are SO much more than one MTV hit.  Angel Dust is a top 5 album of all time, for me. 

HughFreakingDillon

Mad Season

F Me In The Brain said:

rummy said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Can't believe Soundgarden and AIC have not been inducted.
Have Faith No More been inducted?

I'd disagree but, unfortunately, many would consider FNM a one hit wonder. They're not getting in.

Those people would be whack.

FNM has a large catalog of work (7 albums) spanning 30+ years of activity. 

Agree that they are not getting in but they are SO much more than one MTV hit.  Angel Dust is a top 5 album of all time, for me. 

yep. 100 times better than Epic. 

HughFreakingDillon

Mad Season

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

When I think metal, AIC is the last band that comes to mind.  Maybe our definition of metal may be different?

To be honest this topic has peaked my interest with influences.

facelift was definitely metal. no question about it. then they became sludgier. I callled it (not claiming I coined it) Sludge Metal. 

willbarclay

Alice In Chains

AIC simply because of the unplugged album. That baby got me through some strange trips in my early years.  

tempo_n_groove

Alice In Chains

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

I’m surprised Tool hasn’t been nominated and inducted.

The writers at Rollingstone have no idea who they are plus they only vote people in that they know will show up.  Hell Kiss almost didn't come to their inauguration so I don't think TOOL would even come.

They’re one of the biggest bands around. I’m sure RS knows who they are and I think they’d show up. They’re more rockstar than their image often informs.

You don't know TOOL.

One of the biggest bands around hasn't made an album in 12 years...

They don't stream their albums for a reason.

What’s that mean? Yeah, I don’t know them personally but I’ve gleened about as much info on them through the years as a fan could. Maynard and his vineyard is as rock star cliche as it gets, Danny cruises around in a Lambo, and Adam Jones has played the national anthem at big wrestling shows. I’m not saying they some cheesy over the top asshats, but they definitely take advantage of their success.

Hasnt made an album in 12 years and would sell out a tour tomorrow. When their album does come out it will be one of the biggest and best releases of the year.

I don’t get what streaming or not has to do with it.

They sell out every show they do but that doesn't mean that they'd go to a RRHOF performance.

They didn't stream their albums or let them be used in the jukeboxes because they were pretentious.

Ever watch them do interviews with people that they can see that they don't know TOOL very well?  Brutal.  Maynard has always been a jerk to them and it's fun to watch.

They aren't one for the masses types.  This is why I don't think they'd ever do it.

Lastly RS surely knows who they are but they could care less to put them in.

HughFreakingDillon

Mad Season

not a chance Tool would perform at the hall. 

DewieCox

Alice In Chains

Maybe they wouldn’t. None of us really know. I just don’t think they’re be as against that sorta thing as they once were. I think a lot of their anti mainstream tendencies are overblown when you look at some of the stuff they’ve taken a part in over the last decade or so. Meet and greets, radio edits for all the singles from the last album, and more willingness to
do interviews. I think it would be a hard thing for MJK’s ego to turn down.