Who Should Get Into the RRHOF First?

fanch75

Alice In Chains

DewieCox said:

AIC is a lock for eventual induction. Short of the initial explosion of Teen Spirit, they’re far an away the most influential band of the early 90s. 

Mad Season simply doesn’t have the resume to get in. One great album, but it’s barely a blip on the radar. They won’t get in and they shouldn’t get in.

Perfect post.

HughFreakingDillon

Mad Season

I personally don't think "clout" or being known should be of consideration. look back historically, how many inductees do you know? I know very few of the early ones. I think it should be artistic merit and influence. But maybe it isn't. 

HesCalledDyer

I think there are too many artists in it already.  They need to hold back a bit.  It's becoming an encyclopedia instead of a Hall of Fame.

jjflash

I like them all but none of them are RRHoF caliber bands, IMO. If choosing b/t the three: AIC

rgambs

Alice In Chains

I don't understand the sentiment that AIC isn't worthy, you can't turn a radio dial without hitting an AIC song.

HesCalledDyer

rgambs said:

I don't understand the sentiment that AIC isn't worthy, you can't turn a radio dial without hitting an AIC song.

The latter could be said about a lot of bands. Doesn't mean they all belong in the HOF.

tempo_n_groove

Alice In Chains

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

rgambs

Alice In Chains

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

rgambs

Alice In Chains

HesCalledDyer said:

rgambs said:

I don't understand the sentiment that AIC isn't worthy, you can't turn a radio dial without hitting an AIC song.

The latter could be said about a lot of bands. Doesn't mean they all belong in the HOF.

Shouldn't they though?  What's a hall of fame for if it doesn't represent the most famous?

rummy

Alice In Chains

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rummy said:

Sadly, if Soundgarden isn't getting in, then neither is AIC.

Both will get in.

I'd like to think you're right but I'm not sure.
Bands like NIN and Smashing Pumpkins were (arguably) bigger and haven't made it. Smashing Pumpkins have yet to be nominated. Even STP got more radio play and you have to wonder if they'll get in.

F Me In The Brain

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

Hey now....Metallica is already a R&R HoF band that does not sing with Cookie Monster tones.                                         

Love that description

HesCalledDyer

rgambs said:

HesCalledDyer said:

rgambs said:

I don't understand the sentiment that AIC isn't worthy, you can't turn a radio dial without hitting an AIC song.

The latter could be said about a lot of bands. Doesn't mean they all belong in the HOF.

Shouldn't they though?  What's a hall of fame for if it doesn't represent the most famous?

Most famous being the key phrase.  Again, if we just let everyone in who has radio play or touched stardom for a while, it lessens the significance of the Hall of Fame honor. The Hall itself becomes nothing more than a watered down rolodex of music history.   I love AIC, easily my 2nd favorite of the "Seattle sound" bands.  Sure they had their day in the sun, but it was brief and really inconsequential in the grand scheme of the history of rock & roll.

rgambs

Alice In Chains

F Me In The Brain said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

Hey now....Metallica is already a R&R HoF band that does not sing with Cookie Monster tones.                                         

Love that description

I do love Metallica, but Hetfield personifies the Cookie Monster in later Metallica songs.

rgambs

Alice In Chains

HesCalledDyer said:

rgambs said:

HesCalledDyer said:

rgambs said:

I don't understand the sentiment that AIC isn't worthy, you can't turn a radio dial without hitting an AIC song.

The latter could be said about a lot of bands. Doesn't mean they all belong in the HOF.

Shouldn't they though?  What's a hall of fame for if it doesn't represent the most famous?

Most famous being the key phrase.  Again, if we just let everyone in who has radio play or touched stardom for a while, it lessens the significance of the Hall of Fame honor. The Hall itself becomes nothing more than a watered down rolodex of music history.   I love AIC, easily my 2nd favorite of the "Seattle sound" bands.  Sure they had their day in the sun, but it was brief and really inconsequential in the grand scheme of the history of rock & roll.

I definitely agree that the Hall should be a little more selective, but they have to keep people coming back to keep the doors open, and they made the idiotic mistake of building in Cleveland so that's no easy task.
Roxy Music?  For real?  They sampled Roxy Music's biggest songs on the local (Canton, OH) station and I didn't recognize any of them.  At all.
No way they belong, but there's room for excluding them and still allowing AIC.

tbergs

Alice In Chains

Funny you should post this the day after I revisited Facelift and Dirt on Tidal. I thank Rick Beato for making me decide to listen to them because he did a special on what makes the song Dirt great. The first half of Facelift is awesome, but then it's pretty hit or miss with some of the songs seriously sounding like they belong on a GNR album. Dirt is phenomenal. Unplugged was probably my favorite of all the ones released through the MTV series. Amazing album. I'm with a few others on here and think AIC was the biggest influence for rock that carried over to the early '00s.

They also released some good soundtrack songs and have a pretty deep catalog for a band that really only had about 7 years together. They deserve it. It's a disgrace that both Soundgarden and AIC aren't in yet. They were both around and established well before PJ and Nirvana hit the scene.

Edit: I should also add that they're still around and making great music, arguably more relevant and impactful than PJ. That alone should boost their chances. What they did with Layne was groundbreaking and how they've reestablished themselves with Duvall in the last decade is tremendous. 

tempo_n_groove

Alice In Chains

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

When I think metal, AIC is the last band that comes to mind.  Maybe our definition of metal may be different?

To be honest this topic has peaked my interest with influences.

brianlux

Ah oh, I thought Mad Season was a television show.  Damn, I guess getting old has it's down sides after all.

rgambs

Alice In Chains

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

fanch75 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alice in Chains.  They pretty much one-handedly inspired heavy music for the next 20 years.  The entire 2000's metal sound (Disturbed, Godsmack, Staind, etc) was ripping off Alice in Chains, and those were huge bands.  As far as Alice in Chains themselves, tune in any rock station for an hour and  you are likely to hear them.

Mad Season and Jerry solo - I absolutely love Mad Season, and Jerry's cool.  Not enough clout to induct those guys.   I think ACE FREHLEY gets inducted as a solo artist before Cantrell. 

I always thought Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer did that?  Oh and Pantera too...

Nah, AIC reminded the world that heavy music doesn't have to be fast thrashing stuff with Cookie Monster vocals like the bands you mentioned.  They took it back to the roots with a sound more reminiscent of Sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, etc..
A much more mature and artistic sound than the thrash stuff that spawned modern metal.

When I think metal, AIC is the last band that comes to mind.  Maybe our definition of metal may be different?

To be honest this topic has peaked my interest with influences.

That's because of the 80's bands that overtook the "heavy metal" genre with thrashing and Cookie Monster vocals.
Sabbath and Deep Purple were the original heavy metal bands.  People now associate speed with metal and metal with speed, but the original heavy metal sound was slower and...heavier instead of just louder.  Modern thrash metal isn't heavy at all, it doesn't weigh you down, it bounces you up.  

AIC, the originals, they can make your very soul feel heavy in a way that Metallica has never even come close to touching.

Thoughts_Arrive

Alice In Chains

Can't believe Soundgarden and AIC have not been inducted.
Have Faith No More been inducted?

deadendp

Alice In Chains

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Can't believe Soundgarden and AIC have not been inducted.
Have Faith No More been inducted?

Nope.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees