Theresa May to face vote of no confidence from Tory MPs

Meltdown99

Theresa May to face vote of no confidence from Tory MPs

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46535739

PJ_Soul

Why does it seem like this was supposed to happen today? Where are the results? It's now passed dinner time in the UK. Are they burning the midnight oil on this one or what? I'm DYING to find out how this vote goes.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Why does it seem like this was supposed to happen today? Where are the results? It's now passed dinner time in the UK. Are they burning the midnight oil on this one or what? I'm DYING to find out how this vote goes.

The results will be available in an hour or so.  It was 49 MPs who pushed for the vote.  May's people seem nervous, according to reports.

Meltdown99

I also read if she only wins slightly, she likely will resign tonight...

Meltdown99

She wins the confidence vote.  It is now up to her to navigate Brexit somehow...good luck to her.

PJ_Soul

Oh. She survived the vote.

Man, I still can't believe the UK voted yes on Brexit, lol.

lastexitlondon

It's a shambles. And a con

Thoughts_Arrive

I am not sure wtf is going on.
What does the UK want from the EU?
What does the EU want from the UK?
Why the roadblock?

lastexitlondon

The UK voters were lied to and voted based upon those non facts . I.e the NHS.  And now the majority  of people if given the facts voted again would  remain. It's all a load of bullshit that will Fuck us up 

Meltdown99

Brexit: Theresa May's deal is voted down in historic Commons defeat
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46885828?ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook

oftenreading

It really is a fascinating and somewhat horrifying situation.

European media reacts to the news of the deal's defeat:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/16/europe-media-reacts-may-defeat-brexit-deal

Interesting perspectives from those on the "other" side of the EU issue. 

And I liked the quote from a Greek paper:

There is astonishment that a democracy as old as Britain has got itself into such a dead end,” commentator Pantelis Kapsis said. “It’s the sort of mess Greece would get itself into.”

tempo_n_groove

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

It sounds like they leave March 29th, deal or no deal...

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

They narrowly voted to leave, with a fair amount of opposition. And they are learning that breaking ties with the EU has major costs and inconveniences, which they do not want to bear. Some of this is a cake-and-eat-it-too situation. 

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

It sounds like they leave March 29th, deal or no deal...

The update to that is that the deal mentioned  has been rejected, thus leaving no roadmap for the exit, which as you say is almost certainly going ahead. 

Meltdown99

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

It sounds like they leave March 29th, deal or no deal...

The update to that is that the deal mentioned  has been rejected, thus leaving no roadmap for the exit, which as you say is almost certainly going ahead. 

Yes, they rejected the deal yesterday.  So it looks like they leave with no deal?  Is that correct?  So, what I read is many said a bad deal is better than no deal.  I will say this, interesting times we are living in these.

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

It sounds like they leave March 29th, deal or no deal...

The update to that is that the deal mentioned  has been rejected, thus leaving no roadmap for the exit, which as you say is almost certainly going ahead. 

Yes, they rejected the deal yesterday.  So it looks like they leave with no deal?  Is that correct?  So, what I read is many said a bad deal is better than no deal.  I will say this, interesting times we are living in these.

Leave with no deal unless there is a miracle. 

It seems that May is expected to survive a no confidence vote, though I don’t fully understand why. Her plan was resoundingly defeated but her MPs are not expected to vote against her.  
 

Meltdown99

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

It sounds like they leave March 29th, deal or no deal...

The update to that is that the deal mentioned  has been rejected, thus leaving no roadmap for the exit, which as you say is almost certainly going ahead. 

Yes, they rejected the deal yesterday.  So it looks like they leave with no deal?  Is that correct?  So, what I read is many said a bad deal is better than no deal.  I will say this, interesting times we are living in these.

Leave with no deal unless there is a miracle. 

It seems that May is expected to survive a no confidence vote, though I don’t fully understand why. Her plan was resoundingly defeated but her MPs are not expected to vote against her.  
 

It does make you wonder how she has not lost the confidence of the house.  The only thing I can figure is the UK doesn't want to leave the EU while there is political turmoil as well.  A no-confidence vote would lead to May resigning, the cons having to pick a new leader and if none of the other parties can form a government, then an election...all this and Brexit.  I hope it works out for everyone involved.

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

They narrowly voted to leave, with a fair amount of opposition. And they are learning that breaking ties with the EU has major costs and inconveniences, which they do not want to bear. Some of this is a cake-and-eat-it-too situation. 

Obviously if it narrowly passed then of course there is opposition.

I was wondering why they voted for it and now they have a problem actually executing it?

Either an extremely poor not thought out plan, some serious politics being played or both?

Tell you the truth I read very little on this but it seems absolutely fascinating.

I guess I'll school myself on it more.

Meltdown99

May survived the no confidence vote.

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

They narrowly voted to leave, with a fair amount of opposition. And they are learning that breaking ties with the EU has major costs and inconveniences, which they do not want to bear. Some of this is a cake-and-eat-it-too situation. 

Obviously if it narrowly passed then of course there is opposition.

I was wondering why they voted for it and now they have a problem actually executing it?

Either an extremely poor not thought out plan, some serious politics being played or both?

Tell you the truth I read very little on this but it seems absolutely fascinating.

I guess I'll school myself on it more.

I think it is more to do with the EU.  The EU does not want the UK to get out easily, in a way I think this is sending a message to EU members who might want to leave at some time.  They are leaving March 29th deal or no deal.

tempo_n_groove

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

They narrowly voted to leave, with a fair amount of opposition. And they are learning that breaking ties with the EU has major costs and inconveniences, which they do not want to bear. Some of this is a cake-and-eat-it-too situation. 

Obviously if it narrowly passed then of course there is opposition.

I was wondering why they voted for it and now they have a problem actually executing it?

Either an extremely poor not thought out plan, some serious politics being played or both?

Tell you the truth I read very little on this but it seems absolutely fascinating.

I guess I'll school myself on it more.

I think it is more to do with the EU.  The EU does not want the UK to get out easily, in a way I think this is sending a message to EU members who might want to leave at some time.  They are leaving March 29th deal or no deal.

That would be my thought on the "political game" angle.  UK is a big time player in the EU as well as Germany and France.  If they decide to leave too the EU will be no more.

I'm sure there is plenty for all to gain with UK staying in the EU but I'd think that the UK wouldn't have any worries if they left either?

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

They narrowly voted to leave, with a fair amount of opposition. And they are learning that breaking ties with the EU has major costs and inconveniences, which they do not want to bear. Some of this is a cake-and-eat-it-too situation. 

Obviously if it narrowly passed then of course there is opposition.

I was wondering why they voted for it and now they have a problem actually executing it?

Either an extremely poor not thought out plan, some serious politics being played or both?

Tell you the truth I read very little on this but it seems absolutely fascinating.

I guess I'll school myself on it more.

I think it is more to do with the EU.  The EU does not want the UK to get out easily, in a way I think this is sending a message to EU members who might want to leave at some time.  They are leaving March 29th deal or no deal.

That would be my thought on the "political game" angle.  UK is a big time player in the EU as well as Germany and France.  If they decide to leave too the EU will be no more.

I'm sure there is plenty for all to gain with UK staying in the EU but I'd think that the UK wouldn't have any worries if they left either?

The UK will be massively affected if they leave, which is what they are finding out now, and why the negotiations have been so difficult. 
 

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Here is something I don't understand so maybe someone can bring me up to speed.

The UK wants/voted themselves out of the EU.

Now the country can't get what the people actually voted for?

Am I right about this?

They narrowly voted to leave, with a fair amount of opposition. And they are learning that breaking ties with the EU has major costs and inconveniences, which they do not want to bear. Some of this is a cake-and-eat-it-too situation. 

Obviously if it narrowly passed then of course there is opposition.

I was wondering why they voted for it and now they have a problem actually executing it?

Either an extremely poor not thought out plan, some serious politics being played or both?

Tell you the truth I read very little on this but it seems absolutely fascinating.

I guess I'll school myself on it more.

There wasn’t much of a plan at all when the vote occurred. It wasn’t expected to pass. Almost everything since has been scrambling to come up with a plan. 

Kev - Coat and Keys

When you had an empire as great as our's do you need plans?

I hope when PJ tour next they bring fresh food for us.

oftenreading

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

When you had an empire as great as our's do you need plans?

 

oftenreading

Final Brexit deal vote today. If it doesn't pass, it seems we're looking at a no-deal Brexit. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47533666

PJ_Soul

They should just suck it up and have a second referendum. They can call it the "okay you c*nts, this time use your brains" referendum (remember the c-word is acceptable in the UK, lol).

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1105549751884365824

She lost again.  What will it take for her to realize she is done as PM...

PJ_Soul

She's done whether she realizes it or not, I think. And thank goodness, she's terrible.

rw160510

PJ_Soul said:

They should just suck it up and have a second referendum. They can call it the "okay you c*nts, this time use your brains" referendum (remember the c-word is acceptable in the UK, lol).

II would be OK with this. It feels like my country is in free fall being held to ransom by disaster capitalists on one side and teenage socialists on the other. There is no compromise to be had because the nut bars on both fringes are in control of their parties. Corbyn knows that this is his one chance to get elected and so sits on the fence talking bull shit and offering vague pipe dreams of a different way through. I honestly believe that no matter how someone voted 2 years ago nobody voted for the mess we are in. I don't see what would be so undemocratic about a second vote. Christ, May is trying to get a third vote on her deal. It could be a two part question:

1 do you want to remain or leave?

2 if leave wins do you want the deal or no deal?

Maybe not use a c bomb though, it's only kinda acceptable