Kevin Hart Announced as Oscar Host....Stepped Down a Day Later
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A few thoughts rattling around in my brain on this.
Hart says he has apologized repeatedly and sincerely. One can argue about whether he needed to apologize, and some on here have, but the fact that he insists he has done so genuinely seems an acknowledgement that he needed to; otherwise, he would just stick with the "no need to apologize for humour" position. But has he genuinely apologized? Where's the proof of these repeated, sincere apologies? If the tweets are so easy to find, the apologies should be as well, but I haven't seen any sign of them yet.
Genuine apologies also require people to make amends where they can. Hart didn't just tweet about not wanting his 3 year old son to be gay, he also has a lengthy bit about it in one of his comedy special, which still runs on Netflix - completely coincidentally, I'm sure. He's still making money from the stuff that he claims to regret. If he was sincere, he'd have already shown it by taking the special off the air. Making money trumps making amends, it seems.
Also, I think this whole thing has been a boost to his career, much more so than hosting the show would have been. If he had hosted there's a reasonable chance he would have bombed with that audience. This way, he gets to play the victim and gets free cache with the crowd that likes to think of itself as non-PC.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
nvm"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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HesCalledDyer said:
That's not what he said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way is saying he wouldn't accept his son being gay "joking about stereotypes"?HesCalledDyer said:Comedians make jokes about stereotypes. Who knew?
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my2hands said:If Kevin Hart offends you please dont watch Pryor, Eddie, Carlin, Rock, or the current American treasure David Chappelle
Comedians are the most important artists in society, they push the boundaries and make us realize how absurd we are via making us laugh
This comes of as pretty damn daft.PJPOWER said:
No shit, haha! Kevin Hart is pretty tame in comparison. I would say that if you are easily offended...stay away from comedy and satire completely.my2hands said:If Kevin Hart offends you please dont watch Pryor, Eddie, Carlin, Rock, or the current American treasure David Chappelle
Comedians are the most important artists in society, they push the boundaries and make us realize how absurd we are via making us laugh
Come on now pumpkins.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Example #1 ^^^^Spiritual_Chaos said:my2hands said:If Kevin Hart offends you please dont watch Pryor, Eddie, Carlin, Rock, or the current American treasure David Chappelle
Comedians are the most important artists in society, they push the boundaries and make us realize how absurd we are via making us laugh
This comes of as pretty damn daft.PJPOWER said:
No shit, haha! Kevin Hart is pretty tame in comparison. I would say that if you are easily offended...stay away from comedy and satire completely.my2hands said:If Kevin Hart offends you please dont watch Pryor, Eddie, Carlin, Rock, or the current American treasure David Chappelle
Comedians are the most important artists in society, they push the boundaries and make us realize how absurd we are via making us laugh
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Point taken but that wasn't the comment being discussed. Didn't realize he said all that.Spiritual_Chaos said:HesCalledDyer said:
That's not what he said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way is saying he wouldn't accept his son being gay "joking about stereotypes"?HesCalledDyer said:Comedians make jokes about stereotypes. Who knew?
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HesCalledDyer said:
Point taken but that wasn't the comment being discussed. Didn't realize he said all that.Spiritual_Chaos said:HesCalledDyer said:
That's not what he said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way is saying he wouldn't accept his son being gay "joking about stereotypes"?HesCalledDyer said:Comedians make jokes about stereotypes. Who knew?I wonder how in the world he thought he was going to explain that comment if any of his kids really did end up being gay???Seriously, for 2010, those comments are pretty fucking bad. If he didn't know better by then and have a different perspective, well, he WAS definitely a homophobe. I can't say if he's reformed now. But if he is... Yeah sorry. Ask the guy how he would feel about someone being in the same situation as him right now, but they'd tweeted about ni**ers or something. Or perhaps if they'd tweeted how they really really didn't want their kid to date a black person. I bet Kevin Hart wouldn't be feeling too forgiving.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I kinda hope the kid is gay just to spite his ass now.PJ_Soul said:HesCalledDyer said:
Point taken but that wasn't the comment being discussed. Didn't realize he said all that.Spiritual_Chaos said:HesCalledDyer said:
That's not what he said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way is saying he wouldn't accept his son being gay "joking about stereotypes"?HesCalledDyer said:Comedians make jokes about stereotypes. Who knew?I wonder how in the world he thought he was going to explain that comment if any of his kids really did end up being gay???Seriously, for 2010, those comments are pretty fucking bad. If he didn't know better by then and have a different perspective, well, he WAS definitely a homophobe. I can't say if he's reformed now. But if he is... Yeah sorry. Ask the guy how he would feel about someone being in the same situation as him right now, but they'd tweeted about ni**ers or something. Or perhaps if they'd tweeted how they really really didn't want their kid to date a black person. I bet Kevin Hart wouldn't be feeling too forgiving.
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Lol! I know, I thought the same thing!HesCalledDyer said:
I kinda hope the kid is gay just to spite his ass now.PJ_Soul said:HesCalledDyer said:
Point taken but that wasn't the comment being discussed. Didn't realize he said all that.Spiritual_Chaos said:HesCalledDyer said:
That's not what he said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way is saying he wouldn't accept his son being gay "joking about stereotypes"?HesCalledDyer said:Comedians make jokes about stereotypes. Who knew?I wonder how in the world he thought he was going to explain that comment if any of his kids really did end up being gay???Seriously, for 2010, those comments are pretty fucking bad. If he didn't know better by then and have a different perspective, well, he WAS definitely a homophobe. I can't say if he's reformed now. But if he is... Yeah sorry. Ask the guy how he would feel about someone being in the same situation as him right now, but they'd tweeted about ni**ers or something. Or perhaps if they'd tweeted how they really really didn't want their kid to date a black person. I bet Kevin Hart wouldn't be feeling too forgiving.
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i don't think you took it the way i meant it.my2hands said:
That might be the greatest post ever.HughFreakingDillon said:
that only offends people from The Greatest Country On Earth: Sweden.mcgruff10 said:
No way, I was offended by city slickers. The part where they put the gun in the calf’s mouth is way too offensive. I m going to start an online petition.Meltdown99 said:Just get Billy Crystal...he is a safe choice.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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That's pretty funny lol0
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CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listenersGive Peas A Chance…0
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good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listenersI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
So fucking dumb to begin with. Have they listened to the lyrics of half the songs on radio before? They promote drugs, sex, alcohol, guns, violence and objectification of women constantly, but god forbid a cheeky winter song be allowed on the air! I had to put up with drivel like Birthday Sex, The Thong Song and Baby Got Back, but this went too far. HAHAHAHA!mcgruff10 said:
good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listenersIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
I get it that it's the current social climate with me too and all that, but I just read the lyrics again, and I honestly don't see the issue with it. is it simply that one line about "what's in this drink?", and people are assuming this is a reference to being drugged and raped? that's a pretty big fucking stretch. people ask that question all the time. and it rhymes.tbergs said:
So fucking dumb to begin with. Have they listened to the lyrics of half the songs on radio before? They promote drugs, sex, alcohol, guns, violence and objectification of women constantly, but god forbid a cheeky winter song be allowed on the air! I had to put up with drivel like Birthday Sex, The Thong Song and Baby Got Back, but this went too far. HAHAHAHA!mcgruff10 said:
good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listeners
or is it that the guy seems agressive? he's not harassing her. I don't see it.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Me either. What will be banned next, grandma got ran over by a reindeer?HughFreakingDillon said:
I get it that it's the current social climate with me too and all that, but I just read the lyrics again, and I honestly don't see the issue with it. is it simply that one line about "what's in this drink?", and people are assuming this is a reference to being drugged and raped? that's a pretty big fucking stretch. people ask that question all the time. and it rhymes.tbergs said:
So fucking dumb to begin with. Have they listened to the lyrics of half the songs on radio before? They promote drugs, sex, alcohol, guns, violence and objectification of women constantly, but god forbid a cheeky winter song be allowed on the air! I had to put up with drivel like Birthday Sex, The Thong Song and Baby Got Back, but this went too far. HAHAHAHA!mcgruff10 said:
good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listeners
or is it that the guy seems agressive? he's not harassing her. I don't see it.
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I really can't stay (But baby it's cold outside)HughFreakingDillon said:
I get it that it's the current social climate with me too and all that, but I just read the lyrics again, and I honestly don't see the issue with it. is it simply that one line about "what's in this drink?", and people are assuming this is a reference to being drugged and raped? that's a pretty big fucking stretch. people ask that question all the time. and it rhymes.tbergs said:
So fucking dumb to begin with. Have they listened to the lyrics of half the songs on radio before? They promote drugs, sex, alcohol, guns, violence and objectification of women constantly, but god forbid a cheeky winter song be allowed on the air! I had to put up with drivel like Birthday Sex, The Thong Song and Baby Got Back, but this went too far. HAHAHAHA!mcgruff10 said:
good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listeners
or is it that the guy seems agressive? he's not harassing her. I don't see it.
I've got to away (But baby it's cold outside)
This evening has been (Been hoping that you'd drop in)
So very nice (I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice)
My mother will start worry (Beautiful whats your hurry)
My father will be pacing the floor (Listen to the fireplace roar)
So really I'd better scurry (Beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (Put some records on while I pour)
The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink (No cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)
I ought to say "No, no, no sir" (Mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense in hurtin' my pride?)
[Chorus]
I really can't stay
(Oh, baby don't hold out)
Baby it's cold out side
[Verse 2]
I simply must go (But baby it's cold outside)
The answer is no (But baby it's cold outside)
Your welcome has been (How lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (Look out the window at the storm)
My sister will be suspicious (Gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (Waves upon the tropical shore)
My maiden aunt's mind is vicious (Gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (Never such a blizzard before)
I've gotta get home (But baby you'd freeze out there)
Say lend me a comb (It's up to your knees out there)
You've really been grand (I thrill when you touch my hand)
But don't you see? (How can you do this thing to me?)
There's bound to be talk tomorrow (Think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (If you got pneumonia and died)
[Chorus]
I really can't stay
(Get over that old out)
Baby it's cold
Baby it's cold outside
These are the lyrics. I don't agree with banning it, both because I think it's a slippery slope (maybe an icy one!) and also because there is much worse being broadcast, as someone pointed out, but I don't know how you can read those lyrics and not see that it describes a classic situation of the guy not taking no for an answer, pushing and pushing, until she gives in. She outright says "the answer is no". She has plenty of reasons why she has to go, but he doesn't listen to them. And for what it's worth, at the time that this was written, the situation would have been very costly, socially, for her as she says, but of absolutely no concern to him.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
yeah, I know, but I think context matters. a lot of entertainment of the time kind of made light of women pushing horny guys away. It's also how it is sung. Maybe if it was a rap song with similar themes called "Hey Bitch, It's Cold AF Out There (Get Yo Ass Back In Here)" or a song by Motley Crue it would be different.oftenreading said:
I really can't stay (But baby it's cold outside)HughFreakingDillon said:
I get it that it's the current social climate with me too and all that, but I just read the lyrics again, and I honestly don't see the issue with it. is it simply that one line about "what's in this drink?", and people are assuming this is a reference to being drugged and raped? that's a pretty big fucking stretch. people ask that question all the time. and it rhymes.tbergs said:
So fucking dumb to begin with. Have they listened to the lyrics of half the songs on radio before? They promote drugs, sex, alcohol, guns, violence and objectification of women constantly, but god forbid a cheeky winter song be allowed on the air! I had to put up with drivel like Birthday Sex, The Thong Song and Baby Got Back, but this went too far. HAHAHAHA!mcgruff10 said:
good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listeners
or is it that the guy seems agressive? he's not harassing her. I don't see it.
I've got to away (But baby it's cold outside)
This evening has been (Been hoping that you'd drop in)
So very nice (I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice)
My mother will start worry (Beautiful whats your hurry)
My father will be pacing the floor (Listen to the fireplace roar)
So really I'd better scurry (Beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (Put some records on while I pour)
The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink (No cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)
I ought to say "No, no, no sir" (Mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense in hurtin' my pride?)
[Chorus]
I really can't stay
(Oh, baby don't hold out)
Baby it's cold out side
[Verse 2]
I simply must go (But baby it's cold outside)
The answer is no (But baby it's cold outside)
Your welcome has been (How lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (Look out the window at the storm)
My sister will be suspicious (Gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (Waves upon the tropical shore)
My maiden aunt's mind is vicious (Gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (Never such a blizzard before)
I've gotta get home (But baby you'd freeze out there)
Say lend me a comb (It's up to your knees out there)
You've really been grand (I thrill when you touch my hand)
But don't you see? (How can you do this thing to me?)
There's bound to be talk tomorrow (Think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (If you got pneumonia and died)
[Chorus]
I really can't stay
(Get over that old out)
Baby it's cold
Baby it's cold outside
These are the lyrics. I don't agree with banning it, both because I think it's a slippery slope (maybe an icy one!) and also because there is much worse being broadcast, as someone pointed out, but I don't know how you can read those lyrics and not see that it describes a classic situation of the guy not taking no for an answer, pushing and pushing, until she gives in. She outright says "the answer is no". She has plenty of reasons why she has to go, but he doesn't listen to them. And for what it's worth, at the time that this was written, the situation would have been very costly, socially, for her as she says, but of absolutely no concern to him.
I think the discussion is important to have. But I agree that banning it is not the solution.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
oftenreading said:
I really can't stay (But baby it's cold outside)HughFreakingDillon said:
I get it that it's the current social climate with me too and all that, but I just read the lyrics again, and I honestly don't see the issue with it. is it simply that one line about "what's in this drink?", and people are assuming this is a reference to being drugged and raped? that's a pretty big fucking stretch. people ask that question all the time. and it rhymes.tbergs said:
So fucking dumb to begin with. Have they listened to the lyrics of half the songs on radio before? They promote drugs, sex, alcohol, guns, violence and objectification of women constantly, but god forbid a cheeky winter song be allowed on the air! I had to put up with drivel like Birthday Sex, The Thong Song and Baby Got Back, but this went too far. HAHAHAHA!mcgruff10 said:
good!Meltdown99 said:CBC resumes playing Baby It's Cold Outside after 'overwhelming' response from listeners
or is it that the guy seems agressive? he's not harassing her. I don't see it.
I've got to away (But baby it's cold outside)
This evening has been (Been hoping that you'd drop in)
So very nice (I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice)
My mother will start worry (Beautiful whats your hurry)
My father will be pacing the floor (Listen to the fireplace roar)
So really I'd better scurry (Beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (Put some records on while I pour)
The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink (No cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)
I ought to say "No, no, no sir" (Mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense in hurtin' my pride?)
[Chorus]
I really can't stay
(Oh, baby don't hold out)
Baby it's cold out side
[Verse 2]
I simply must go (But baby it's cold outside)
The answer is no (But baby it's cold outside)
Your welcome has been (How lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (Look out the window at the storm)
My sister will be suspicious (Gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (Waves upon the tropical shore)
My maiden aunt's mind is vicious (Gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (Never such a blizzard before)
I've gotta get home (But baby you'd freeze out there)
Say lend me a comb (It's up to your knees out there)
You've really been grand (I thrill when you touch my hand)
But don't you see? (How can you do this thing to me?)
There's bound to be talk tomorrow (Think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (If you got pneumonia and died)
[Chorus]
I really can't stay
(Get over that old out)
Baby it's cold
Baby it's cold outside
These are the lyrics. I don't agree with banning it, both because I think it's a slippery slope (maybe an icy one!) and also because there is much worse being broadcast, as someone pointed out, but I don't know how you can read those lyrics and not see that it describes a classic situation of the guy not taking no for an answer, pushing and pushing, until she gives in. She outright says "the answer is no". She has plenty of reasons why she has to go, but he doesn't listen to them. And for what it's worth, at the time that this was written, the situation would have been very costly, socially, for her as she says, but of absolutely no concern to him.
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