SpaceX and all the good space stuff

Meltdown99

HesCalledDyer said:

Meltdown99 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I still fail to see an actual "accusation."  It was name-calling, and poor at that.

I expect better from people in his position...

Do you subscribe to the NASA channel?  

I would agree.  And if I were Unsworth, I'd probably sue him too.  I could use a nice out-of-court settlement from a billionaire in a defamation suit.

I follow NASA & various offshoots on Youtube, instagram, & twitter.

You think Musk would just pay the guy off.  But, his lawyers are probably advising against it. Years ago I had the NASA channel, it wasn't very good at the time.  I think when the US starts putting humans in space again that will be a good thing.  The US should not be relying on Russia.

HesCalledDyer

I'm sure they are.  Billionaires don't become billionaires by being generous.

And I think as long as we have a bunch of stuck-in-1955 dotards in charge, our funding for space exploration (and science in general) will fall short to be a world leader on the subject.  We're too concerned with world domination to care.

Meltdown99

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm sure they are.  Billionaires don't become billionaires by being generous.

And I think as long as we have a bunch of stuck-in-1955 dotards in charge, our funding for space exploration (and science in general) will fall short to be a world leader on the subject.  We're too concerned with world domination to care.

Good points.  I am still amazed that the US has not been back to the moon.  

PJ_Soul

It's Official! NASA's Famed Voyager 2 Spacecraft Reaches Interstellar Space

https://www.space.com/42680-voyager-2-reaches-interstellar-space.html?utm_source=sdc-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20181210-sdc

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Is this a thread about space.  Would probably be more going on in this thread if we were discussing space instead of some fraud...

It's not possible to discuss SpaceX without talking about Elon Musk, as he is in charge of SpaceX. You've made your opinion about him clear.

Just FYI, this is not a politics thread, and I put it in the AET instead of the AMT on purpose, to avoid this kind of discussion here, since it will so easily derail what I'm trying to achieve here. If you want to talk about the politics of all this in great detail, I respectfully ask that you start your own thread in the AMT. Thanks!

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Is this a thread about space.  Would probably be more going on in this thread if we were discussing space instead of some fraud...

It's not possible to discuss SpaceX without talking about Elon Musk, as he is in charge of SpaceX. You've made your opinion about him clear.

Just FYI, this is not a politics thread, and I put it in the AET instead of the AMT on purpose, to avoid this kind of discussion here, since it will so easily derail what I'm trying to achieve here. If you want to talk about the politics of all this in great detail, I respectfully ask that you start your own thread in the AMT. Thanks!

And if you bothered to notice we put the thread back on track ... so settle down.  You are the one who wants to talk about space.  So why are you not talking space?  You act like this is the first thread that has gone off topic ... which it hasn't ...  if musk is part of the topic then his personal behaviour is open for discussion.  So talk space.  But you need to get better informed on this topic...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Is this a thread about space.  Would probably be more going on in this thread if we were discussing space instead of some fraud...

It's not possible to discuss SpaceX without talking about Elon Musk, as he is in charge of SpaceX. You've made your opinion about him clear.

Just FYI, this is not a politics thread, and I put it in the AET instead of the AMT on purpose, to avoid this kind of discussion here, since it will so easily derail what I'm trying to achieve here. If you want to talk about the politics of all this in great detail, I respectfully ask that you start your own thread in the AMT. Thanks!

And if you bothered to notice we put the thread back on track ... so settle down.  You are the one who wants to talk about space.  So why are you not talking space?  You act like this is the first thread that has gone off topic ... which it hasn't ...  if musk is part of the topic then his personal behaviour is open for discussion.  So talk space.  But you need to get better informed on this topic...

Sigh. I guess I'll delete that comment, lol. I'm not too sure how Kat and Sea would take it.

brianlux

OK, I have to apologize for being pissed at not being able to say bad things about space exploration here.   Beside, most here already know I think the money could be spent better elsewhere.  HOWEVER, it's gonna happen anyway and as a taxpayer, some little portion of it is on my dime.  So, all ya'all, since it's going to go on  (or up, up and away) anyway, tell me more about what I'm getting for my (and your) dollars.  I think that was the  original idea here.  That seems more worth hearing about than some political nonsense.

dankind

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

OK, I have to apologize for being pissed at not being able to say bad things about space exploration here.   Beside, most here already know I think the money could be spent better elsewhere.  HOWEVER, it's gonna happen anyway and as a taxpayer, some little portion of it is on my dime.  So, all ya'all, since it's going to go on  (or up, up and away) anyway, tell me more about what I'm getting for my (and your) dollars.  I think that was the  original idea here.  That seems more worth hearing about than some political nonsense.

Why don't you just start your own thread in the AMT about all the bad stuff Brian and how and where and why the money could be better spent Brian? I actually have a ton to say about why I shouldn't be spent elsewhere, and why it's important to keep funding space projects, but I don't even want to really get into that in this thread either. It really is a discussion better suited to an AMT thread. Especially with the Space Force talk of late, lol, which I also have a lot to say about.

Anyway, I'm not a mod - I can't actually stop people from ruining my thread for me, lol. Apparently a few people want to take issue with my request to make this a positive thread. If this continues on, I'll just request that they close the thread and I'll find another platform to space fangirl on I guess.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

OK, I have to apologize for being pissed at not being able to say bad things about space exploration here.   Beside, most here already know I think the money could be spent better elsewhere.  HOWEVER, it's gonna happen anyway and as a taxpayer, some little portion of it is on my dime.  So, all ya'all, since it's going to go on  (or up, up and away) anyway, tell me more about what I'm getting for my (and your) dollars.  I think that was the  original idea here.  That seems more worth hearing about than some political nonsense.

Why don't you just start your own thread in the AMT about all the bad stuff Brian and how and where and why the money could be better spent Brian? I actually have a ton to say about why I shouldn't be spent elsewhere, and why it's important to keep funding space projects, but I don't even want to really get into that in this thread either. It really is a discussion better suited to an AMT thread. Especially with the Space Force talk of late, lol, which I also have a lot to say about.

Anyway, I'm not a mod - I can't actually stop people from ruining my thread for me, lol. Apparently a few people want to take issue with my request to make this a positive thread. If this continues on, I'll just request that they close the thread and I'll find another platform to space fangirl on I guess.

WTF, Allison?  I apologize, actually engage in what you're going for here and get my ass chewed?  OK fine, I'm done here.

Meltdown99

NASA's Voyager 2 spacecraft reaches interstellar space
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/voyager-2-interstellar-1.4939596?cmp=FB_Post_News&fbclid=IwAR3vsbCiR1hEYhEWe1iTKpmt51ehucZeZi6ubPcyqWBEbghRUB0bqzdnh5c

Meltdown99

I just read that Netflix has a documentary on these 

The Farthest: Voyageurs in Space.

Will check out.

HesCalledDyer

I’ll have to check that out. The Voyager missions fascinate me. I was just under 4 months old when they launched. That gives you an idea of how big our solar system by itself is, let alone the galaxy, or universe. It took my entire life for V2 to enter into interstellar space. ~11 billion miles, over 41 years of flight. It blows my mind to think that just 100 years ago, most thought the Milky Way was it. To expand as much as we know now in less than a century, take a third to almost a half of that time to put two crafts far enough into space to no longer be influenced by solar winds, and still not even come close to reaching anything of real distance on a universe scale - hell, even a galactic scale - it’s just mind blowing how insignificant we are.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

OK, I have to apologize for being pissed at not being able to say bad things about space exploration here.   Beside, most here already know I think the money could be spent better elsewhere.  HOWEVER, it's gonna happen anyway and as a taxpayer, some little portion of it is on my dime.  So, all ya'all, since it's going to go on  (or up, up and away) anyway, tell me more about what I'm getting for my (and your) dollars.  I think that was the  original idea here.  That seems more worth hearing about than some political nonsense.

Why don't you just start your own thread in the AMT about all the bad stuff Brian and how and where and why the money could be better spent Brian? I actually have a ton to say about why I shouldn't be spent elsewhere, and why it's important to keep funding space projects, but I don't even want to really get into that in this thread either. It really is a discussion better suited to an AMT thread. Especially with the Space Force talk of late, lol, which I also have a lot to say about.

Anyway, I'm not a mod - I can't actually stop people from ruining my thread for me, lol. Apparently a few people want to take issue with my request to make this a positive thread. If this continues on, I'll just request that they close the thread and I'll find another platform to space fangirl on I guess.

WTF, Allison?  I apologize, actually engage in what you're going for here and get my ass chewed?  OK fine, I'm done here.

I think you misread my post or something @brianlux . Your ass wasn't chewed, lol. I was legitimately suggesting that you start an AMT thread. And I wasn't talking about you re asking the mods to possibly close the thread.

PJ_Soul

HesCalledDyer said:

I’ll have to check that out. The Voyager missions fascinate me. I was just under 4 months old when they launched. That gives you an idea of how big our solar system by itself is, let alone the galaxy, or universe. It took my entire life for V2 to enter into interstellar space. ~11 billion miles, over 41 years of flight. It blows my mind to think that just 100 years ago, most thought the Milky Way was it. To expand as much as we know now in less than a century, take a third to almost a half of that time to put two crafts far enough into space to no longer be influenced by solar winds, and still not even come close to reaching anything of real distance on a universe scale - hell, even a galactic scale - it’s just mind blowing how insignificant we are.

Absolutely - it's literally mind boggling for me.... And scary AF. I'm so fascinated with it all, and at the same time somewhat terrified. I mean, right now some asteroid could be having its trajectory changed as it passes some distant planet, putting Earth directly in its path. (but really, I'm legit concerned about a devastating asteroid. I don't want to go out that way at all. Or, worse, survive it and witness the aftermath. This is why I am SO pleased that NASA is actually researching ways to stop an asteroid like this before it can hit - I hope they hurry up about it!).

But yeah, the size... It makes me think about how a lot of people kind of seem to think there is an edge to the universe... And if the universe is constantly expanding, then would that mean that edge is moving outwards? Seems weird. I personally have an easier time thinking of space as being a literal infinity in size and mass than I do imagining it having some kind of outer limit. And if it's infinity big, well, imagine what could be out there. It's crazy. Or, if it's not infinity big, WTF is outside of it? How can something exist in nothing? It's really bothers me that I'll never actually know the nature of the universe or whatever else there might be outside of it. Frustrating, lol.

HesCalledDyer

PJ_Soul said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I’ll have to check that out. The Voyager missions fascinate me. I was just under 4 months old when they launched. That gives you an idea of how big our solar system by itself is, let alone the galaxy, or universe. It took my entire life for V2 to enter into interstellar space. ~11 billion miles, over 41 years of flight. It blows my mind to think that just 100 years ago, most thought the Milky Way was it. To expand as much as we know now in less than a century, take a third to almost a half of that time to put two crafts far enough into space to no longer be influenced by solar winds, and still not even come close to reaching anything of real distance on a universe scale - hell, even a galactic scale - it’s just mind blowing how insignificant we are.

Absolutely - it's literally mind boggling for me.... And scary AF. I'm so fascinated with it all, and at the same time somewhat terrified. I mean, right now some asteroid could be having its trajectory changed as it passes some distant planet, putting Earth directly in its path. (but really, I'm legit concerned about a devastating asteroid. I don't want to go out that way at all. Or, worse, survive it and witness the aftermath. This is why I am SO pleased that NASA is actually researching ways to stop an asteroid like this before it can hit - I hope they hurry up about it!).

But yeah, the size... It makes me think about how a lot of people kind of seem to think there is an edge to the universe... And if the universe is constantly expanding, then would that mean that edge is moving outwards? Seems weird. I personally have an easier time thinking of space as being a literal infinity in size and mass than I do imagining it having some kind of outer limit. And if it's infinity big, well, imagine what could be out there. It's crazy. Or, if it's not infinity big, WTF is outside of it? How can something exist in nothing? It's really bothers me that I'll never actually know the nature of the universe or whatever else there might be outside of it. Frustrating, lol.

I was reading some articles last night on the Voyager missions and passing through the heliopause and how that still isn't even remotely close to being out of the solar system. Scientists estimate that it could take another 300 years before the probes even reach the inner limits of the Oort Cloud, and 300,000 years to reach the outer limits and thus be outside of the solar system.

Meltdown99

HesCalledDyer said:

I’ll have to check that out. The Voyager missions fascinate me. I was just under 4 months old when they launched. That gives you an idea of how big our solar system by itself is, let alone the galaxy, or universe. It took my entire life for V2 to enter into interstellar space. ~11 billion miles, over 41 years of flight. It blows my mind to think that just 100 years ago, most thought the Milky Way was it. To expand as much as we know now in less than a century, take a third to almost a half of that time to put two crafts far enough into space to no longer be influenced by solar winds, and still not even come close to reaching anything of real distance on a universe scale - hell, even a galactic scale - it’s just mind blowing how insignificant we are.

That is something.  Yes, we are just a speck in the grand scheme of things.  It also should make one realize that if there are aliens out there, and have visited earth, they must be light years ahead of technologically ... so much so, they probably know not to return.

Meltdown99

Lunar Orbital Station

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Orbital_Station

Hope this OK to post.  I read about this a few years back.  Seemed interesting.

PJ_Soul

HesCalledDyer said:

PJ_Soul said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I’ll have to check that out. The Voyager missions fascinate me. I was just under 4 months old when they launched. That gives you an idea of how big our solar system by itself is, let alone the galaxy, or universe. It took my entire life for V2 to enter into interstellar space. ~11 billion miles, over 41 years of flight. It blows my mind to think that just 100 years ago, most thought the Milky Way was it. To expand as much as we know now in less than a century, take a third to almost a half of that time to put two crafts far enough into space to no longer be influenced by solar winds, and still not even come close to reaching anything of real distance on a universe scale - hell, even a galactic scale - it’s just mind blowing how insignificant we are.

Absolutely - it's literally mind boggling for me.... And scary AF. I'm so fascinated with it all, and at the same time somewhat terrified. I mean, right now some asteroid could be having its trajectory changed as it passes some distant planet, putting Earth directly in its path. (but really, I'm legit concerned about a devastating asteroid. I don't want to go out that way at all. Or, worse, survive it and witness the aftermath. This is why I am SO pleased that NASA is actually researching ways to stop an asteroid like this before it can hit - I hope they hurry up about it!).

But yeah, the size... It makes me think about how a lot of people kind of seem to think there is an edge to the universe... And if the universe is constantly expanding, then would that mean that edge is moving outwards? Seems weird. I personally have an easier time thinking of space as being a literal infinity in size and mass than I do imagining it having some kind of outer limit. And if it's infinity big, well, imagine what could be out there. It's crazy. Or, if it's not infinity big, WTF is outside of it? How can something exist in nothing? It's really bothers me that I'll never actually know the nature of the universe or whatever else there might be outside of it. Frustrating, lol.

I was reading some articles last night on the Voyager missions and passing through the heliopause and how that still isn't even remotely close to being out of the solar system. Scientists estimate that it could take another 300 years before the probes even reach the inner limits of the Oort Cloud, and 300,000 years to reach the outer limits and thus be outside of the solar system.

What's Next for NASA's Voyager 2 in Interstellar Space?

https://www.space.com/42686-voyager-2-in-interstellar-space-whats-next.html?utm_source=sdc-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20181211-sdc