Where does PJ go with the next record?

Wma31394

HesCalledDyer said:

PB11041 said:

I am not big into reruns, and I am a bit of an outlier in that I liked Lightning Bolt a lot.  I have no interest in wanting to hear Pearl Jam try to repeat themselves, so whatever it is I prefer it is music that inspires them (which is generally what they have always done) than any attempt to reach back to some godforsaken glory day.  

  Thank you!  Some of these comments here make me wonder why some people are even still fans.  Always longing for the next No Code or Vitalogy, claiming the last 2-4 albums aren't good, or that the band lost their creativity or have become uninspired.  It's a good thing these guys aren't as snarky as Billy Corgan.  It's no wonder he gets pissed off at fans when they keep asking him to make Siamese & Mellon Collie 2.

You can still be a fan while saying the past few albums haven't been that good..it has nothing to do with repeating themselves, it's just about the quality of work on recent albums.

rummy

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Wma31394 said:

^^^ I have no expectations..the days of putting out a great album are long gone..

I bet people said this about Neil Young in the mid 80s too.

But Neil is another beast ofc.

They also said this about The Stones, unfortunately. The side projects might be killing this band's creative output. It'd be nice if some of these fresher ideas went to a PJ album.

PB11041

HesCalledDyer said:

PB11041 said:

I am not big into reruns, and I am a bit of an outlier in that I liked Lightning Bolt a lot.  I have no interest in wanting to hear Pearl Jam try to repeat themselves, so whatever it is I prefer it is music that inspires them (which is generally what they have always done) than any attempt to reach back to some godforsaken glory day.  

  Thank you!  Some of these comments here make me wonder why some people are even still fans.  Always longing for the next No Code or Vitalogy, claiming the last 2-4 albums aren't good, or that the band lost their creativity or have become uninspired.  It's a good thing these guys aren't as snarky as Billy Corgan.  It's no wonder he gets pissed off at fans when they keep asking him to make Siamese & Mellon Collie 2.

It is a thing I simply do not understand.  But honestly it was something I learned big time a long while ago with Vitalogy and No Code, sometimes fans really do just want things to be version 2.0.   Not my cup of tea.  

Spiritual_Chaos

I don't see anyone in here screaming about getting another Vitalogy or No Code?

PB11041

Wma31394 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PB11041 said:

I am not big into reruns, and I am a bit of an outlier in that I liked Lightning Bolt a lot.  I have no interest in wanting to hear Pearl Jam try to repeat themselves, so whatever it is I prefer it is music that inspires them (which is generally what they have always done) than any attempt to reach back to some godforsaken glory day.  

  Thank you!  Some of these comments here make me wonder why some people are even still fans.  Always longing for the next No Code or Vitalogy, claiming the last 2-4 albums aren't good, or that the band lost their creativity or have become uninspired.  It's a good thing these guys aren't as snarky as Billy Corgan.  It's no wonder he gets pissed off at fans when they keep asking him to make Siamese & Mellon Collie 2.

You can still be a fan while saying the past few albums haven't been that good..it has nothing to do with repeating themselves, it's just about the quality of work on recent albums.

https://youtu.be/1LTiKJlB62g

HesCalledDyer

I also get a kick out of the crowd that, just because PJ did a 4-city stadium tour this summer, think that they are only ever going to play baseball stadiums in the US now.  Calm down, folks.

Jbarker

The "Realist" side of me says...
Pearl Jam had a marvelous run. Gave us (10) amazing albums, a heap of worthy B-Sides and a well built live catalog. Their creative arc burned like magnesium at its peak, and continues to shine in the distance like the trail of a falling star. Yet it still fades and they have deservedly earned a graceful retirement. I am more than satisfied with their current catalog, especially if it means they not dilute it further with manufactured offerings. Studio appearances that have to be encouraged and forced, or cumbersome lyrics rammed into a song because the fans need an album. Be a band, enjoy being in a band and do it like a band or don't do it.

The "Optimist" side of me says...
Of course send out another album. I never really considered LB to be a follow-up to BS, and as soon as I heard Can't Deny Me, I immediately thought LB was more of a pre-cursor to the next batch of material. Bring it on. Experimental, adult-contemp, fucking whatever... If Ed has the words and Stone has a groove, then I'm all in. if it takes four years to schedule enough studio time to lay down all the tracks than fine. If its PJ, its golden to my ears because as a fan I won't really 'compare' it, I won't really 'rank' it and I won't really 'critique' it. Like everyone in here, I will have an emotional connection to some degree and let it settle on my soul like swirling stardust.

But to answer the OP:

Getaway-esque rockers for the bulk sprinkled with a few insightful ballads.

PJ_Soul

HesCalledDyer said:

I also get a kick out of the crowd that, just because PJ did a 4-city stadium tour this summer, think that they are only ever going to play baseball stadiums in the US now.  Calm down, folks.

Agreed.

rummy

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I don't see anyone in here screaming about getting another Vitalogy or No Code?

That'd be A LOT to ask/wish for. 

Wma31394

mbeagin110 said:

IMO, the band has been lacking on the last two efforts. Sure, there are some great songs, but overall it kind of just leaves me at "okay this is a rock band." Say what you will about Avocado, but the songwriting/energy beats mostly anything on Backspacer and a lot of LB. Pearl Jam is clearly at their best when they're politically charged and have something to say (as they've mentioned before). "Can't Deny Me" is an okay song, (I like it probably more than a lot of others, but I see its flaws) but I actually think that that leaves them in a pretty good place even if thats not one of the best songs. What do y'all think?
(Also, I remember Stone saying something in one of the LB interviews that they were going in the direction of Pendulum and Infallible, and I like Pendulum enough for the atmosphere, but Infallible is meh.)

I would say the band is at their worst when politically charged..

mfc2006

I say let them go wherever they want to go. 

The Avocado Album

Wma31394 said:

mbeagin110 said:

IMO, the band has been lacking on the last two efforts. Sure, there are some great songs, but overall it kind of just leaves me at "okay this is a rock band." Say what you will about Avocado, but the songwriting/energy beats mostly anything on Backspacer and a lot of LB. Pearl Jam is clearly at their best when they're politically charged and have something to say (as they've mentioned before). "Can't Deny Me" is an okay song, (I like it probably more than a lot of others, but I see its flaws) but I actually think that that leaves them in a pretty good place even if thats not one of the best songs. What do y'all think?
(Also, I remember Stone saying something in one of the LB interviews that they were going in the direction of Pendulum and Infallible, and I like Pendulum enough for the atmosphere, but Infallible is meh.)

I would say the band is at their worst when politically charged..

I'd disagree. Riot Act and Avocado are some of my favorite albums, and primarily because they're filled with the end-of-the-world disillusionment and angst that the Iraq War brought on the band. And the two of them represent it quite well; Riot Act is the fiery first-impulse reaction to fight the system or whatever, while Avocado is the contemplative resignation to the misery that the conflict has brought, and ends with a subtle gleam of hope for the future, a hope that was brought forward by the upbeat popish shound of Backspacer.
That was 3 albums over the course of a 6 or seven year development. So far it seems like we might be getting just 1 out of the Trump era. But what gives me hope that they're still working on making new music is how royally pissed Eddie was during his stadium speeches in this summer's tour. He's definitely passionate about something, and I think it's safe to say that it'll easily spill over into the rest of the band. I think that wanting to provide a commentary on this country's political direction will breathe new air into their lungs that they were missing during most of the 2010's decade.

Spiritual_Chaos

Wma31394 said:

mbeagin110 said:

IMO, the band has been lacking on the last two efforts. Sure, there are some great songs, but overall it kind of just leaves me at "okay this is a rock band." Say what you will about Avocado, but the songwriting/energy beats mostly anything on Backspacer and a lot of LB. Pearl Jam is clearly at their best when they're politically charged and have something to say (as they've mentioned before). "Can't Deny Me" is an okay song, (I like it probably more than a lot of others, but I see its flaws) but I actually think that that leaves them in a pretty good place even if thats not one of the best songs. What do y'all think?
(Also, I remember Stone saying something in one of the LB interviews that they were going in the direction of Pendulum and Infallible, and I like Pendulum enough for the atmosphere, but Infallible is meh.)

I would say the band is at their worst when politically charged..

Wma31394

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Wma31394 said:

mbeagin110 said:

IMO, the band has been lacking on the last two efforts. Sure, there are some great songs, but overall it kind of just leaves me at "okay this is a rock band." Say what you will about Avocado, but the songwriting/energy beats mostly anything on Backspacer and a lot of LB. Pearl Jam is clearly at their best when they're politically charged and have something to say (as they've mentioned before). "Can't Deny Me" is an okay song, (I like it probably more than a lot of others, but I see its flaws) but I actually think that that leaves them in a pretty good place even if thats not one of the best songs. What do y'all think?
(Also, I remember Stone saying something in one of the LB interviews that they were going in the direction of Pendulum and Infallible, and I like Pendulum enough for the atmosphere, but Infallible is meh.)

I would say the band is at their worst when politically charged..

Hahaha 

PB11041

Correct Answer:

My turntable. 

2-feign-reluctance

That's me still running around the Pearl Jam please release an album snow wheel.

Deadman

mfc2006 said:

I say let them go wherever they want to go. 

Agreed.  Just as long as they go to the studio.

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Wma31394 said:

mbeagin110 said:

IMO, the band has been lacking on the last two efforts. Sure, there are some great songs, but overall it kind of just leaves me at "okay this is a rock band." Say what you will about Avocado, but the songwriting/energy beats mostly anything on Backspacer and a lot of LB. Pearl Jam is clearly at their best when they're politically charged and have something to say (as they've mentioned before). "Can't Deny Me" is an okay song, (I like it probably more than a lot of others, but I see its flaws) but I actually think that that leaves them in a pretty good place even if thats not one of the best songs. What do y'all think?
(Also, I remember Stone saying something in one of the LB interviews that they were going in the direction of Pendulum and Infallible, and I like Pendulum enough for the atmosphere, but Infallible is meh.)

I would say the band is at their worst when politically charged..

Right? I think that was when they were at their best. I mean, back when they really meant it at least.

(this is one the best gifs btw - top 10 of all time, lol. I also thought this movie was a bit underrated)

Jbarker

PB11041 said:

Correct Answer:

My turntable. 

you sir, are correct.

NewJPage

The Avocado Album said:

Wma31394 said:

mbeagin110 said:

IMO, the band has been lacking on the last two efforts. Sure, there are some great songs, but overall it kind of just leaves me at "okay this is a rock band." Say what you will about Avocado, but the songwriting/energy beats mostly anything on Backspacer and a lot of LB. Pearl Jam is clearly at their best when they're politically charged and have something to say (as they've mentioned before). "Can't Deny Me" is an okay song, (I like it probably more than a lot of others, but I see its flaws) but I actually think that that leaves them in a pretty good place even if thats not one of the best songs. What do y'all think?
(Also, I remember Stone saying something in one of the LB interviews that they were going in the direction of Pendulum and Infallible, and I like Pendulum enough for the atmosphere, but Infallible is meh.)

I would say the band is at their worst when politically charged..

I'd disagree. Riot Act and Avocado are some of my favorite albums, and primarily because they're filled with the end-of-the-world disillusionment and angst that the Iraq War brought on the band. And the two of them represent it quite well; Riot Act is the fiery first-impulse reaction to fight the system or whatever, while Avocado is the contemplative resignation to the misery that the conflict has brought, and ends with a subtle gleam of hope for the future, a hope that was brought forward by the upbeat popish shound of Backspacer.
That was 3 albums over the course of a 6 or seven year development. So far it seems like we might be getting just 1 out of the Trump era. But what gives me hope that they're still working on making new music is how royally pissed Eddie was during his stadium speeches in this summer's tour. He's definitely passionate about something, and I think it's safe to say that it'll easily spill over into the rest of the band. I think that wanting to provide a commentary on this country's political direction will breathe new air into their lungs that they were missing during most of the 2010's decade.

Ed royally pissed? I admit I was only at Chicago 1, but all he said was "vote...you know what to do." He never mentioned trump, and he didn't in 2016 either. If he can't muster a word about this insanity, the days of overtly political ed at shows are gone, sadly.