Team Mueller (and Their Report)

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,908
    16 min psa of sorts....

    Listen to "Coming This Fall: Mueller Report TV? With Guest Cheri Jacobus" on Stitcher
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
    edited September 7
    Seeing how the House Judiciary Committee is set to lay out the "rules of the road" for the Team Trump Treason impeachment inquiry on Wednesday, I thought it would be useful to revisit the Team Mueller Report and post some of the findings as I read through it. But don't take my word for it, read it yourself. We'll see if it leads to an actual impeachment vote.

    There are 9 total redactions in the 5 page Table of Contents of Volume 1, 7 for Harm to Ongoing Matter (HOM) and 2 for Personal Privacy (PP).

    There are 231 total redactions in pages 1-45, inclusive of footnotes, with 1 page being fully redacted for HOM. 155 HOM, 31 PP redactions and 45 redactions for Investigative Technique (IT). That's approximately 5.13 redactions per page.

    The members of the House and Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees know more than what has been publicly released, yes? Many of the HOM redactions either relate to the indicted Russian intelligence officers or Roger Dodger Stoned and Wikileaks, me thinks. If the former, its useless as they'll never see the inside of the courtroom. If its the latter, look for some November surprises when Roger Dodger Stoned's trial starts (I wonder how the home arrest and social media ban is treating him?). And to think CYA Barr surmised and fully exonerated Team Trump Treason in 4 pages ( a hundredth of the Team Mueller Report)?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
    "In late July 2016, soon after Wikileaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

    Volume 1, Page 1, third paragraph
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,523
    "In late July 2016, soon after Wikileaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

    Volume 1, Page 1, third paragraph
    if that's not collusion I'm not sure what is. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,908
    "In late July 2016, soon after Wikileaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

    Volume 1, Page 1, third paragraph
    if that's not collusion I'm not sure what is. 
    which would only matter if collusion were illegal.

    trump has been spoon feeding that word to everyone since this began.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 14,176
    mickeyrat said:
    "In late July 2016, soon after Wikileaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

    Volume 1, Page 1, third paragraph
    if that's not collusion I'm not sure what is. 
    which would only matter if collusion were illegal.

    trump has been spoon feeding that word to everyone since this began.
    Correct.  He manipulated the media by saying it over and over.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "In late July 2016, soon after Wikileaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

    Volume 1, Page 1, third paragraph
    if that's not collusion I'm not sure what is. 
    which would only matter if collusion were illegal.

    trump has been spoon feeding that word to everyone since this began.
    Correct.  He manipulated the media by saying it over and over.  
    And maybe here’s why:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-2020-election-house-committee-impeachment-a9098126.html

    Because Team Trump Treason is always doing the opposite of what he says, yo!

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no obstruction.”

    Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
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  • Volume 1, Page Two, Second full paragraph:

    "The report describes actions and events that the Special Counsel's Office found to be supported by the evidence collected in our investigation.  In some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts  in the evidence about a particular fact or event.   In other instances, when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence,  the  report  states  that  the  investigation  established  that  certain  actions  or  events occurred.  A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts."


    And you've heard a lot about "collusion." And as you know, "collusion" is not a crime. Here's How Bobby Three Sticks explained it in Volume 1, Page Two, Third full paragraph:

    "In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of"collusion." In so doing, the Office  recognized  that the word "collud[e]" was  used in communications  with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation.  But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found  in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law.  In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ed]"-   a term that appears in  the  appointment   order-with  Russian   election   interference   activities.     Like   collusion, "coordination"  does  not  have  a  settled  definition  in  federal  criminal  law.    We  understood coordination  to require an agreement-tacit or express-between the Trump Campaign and the Russian  government  on election  interference.   That  requires  more than the  two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests.  We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    So, while technically not in violation of the law, did the Founding Father's think of "high crimes and misdemeanors" as working with a foreign adversary to undermine your political opponent in an election for the highest office in the land or would they have been okay with that? Imagine if Jefferson were found to have "colluded" with the Brits to throw the election? Think the Congress would have looked the other way?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,512
    ^ the democrats would be better served by putting obstruction and collusion on the back burner because trump will chop that argument off on the campaign trail by calling it a witch hunt..

    The point of  politics the dems dont understand is it's like chess. Understand your opponents move before you make yours. If trumps counterattack is predictable, simple and effective find a different path.

    IMO the dems are better served investigating the stormy daniels bribe because it's a legitimate example of election cheating and a man actually sits in jail for assisting with THAT crime.

    The next step would be to investigate the emoluments misconduct and then link the 2 by portraying trump as a dirty wealthy man who bribed his way out of election misconduct and profits off of the taxpayer dime.
  • ^ the democrats would be better served by putting obstruction and collusion on the back burner because trump will chop that argument off on the campaign trail by calling it a witch hunt..

    The point of  politics the dems dont understand is it's like chess. Understand your opponents move before you make yours. If trumps counterattack is predictable, simple and effective find a different path.

    IMO the dems are better served investigating the stormy daniels bribe because it's a legitimate example of election cheating and a man actually sits in jail for assisting with THAT crime.

    The next step would be to investigate the emoluments misconduct and then link the 2 by portraying trump as a dirty wealthy man who bribed his way out of election misconduct and profits off of the taxpayer dime.
    Stormy Daniels is on the table as are Pence's and the air force crews' stays at his properties and the G7 summit proposal. Its a long, twardy list the dems are laundering. All in due time. Tomorrow we'll begin to see the impeachment path. And obstruction will be a part of it as well, partucularly after Team Mueller testified that they didn't look at his finances. And they're not playing chess, they're playing politics. Don't underestimate Nancy Pelosi.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 14,176
    In Nancy I trust.  Im not sure about the candidates.  
    Warren is more strategic than I expected,  so lots of credit there.  But strategic with policies too far left isn't great though. 
  • The thing to keep in mind is that there is no “double jeopardy” consideration as it relates to impeachment. Team Trump Treason gets impeached, acquitted by the senate and may still face charges upon leaving office, tax evasion, money laundering, bank fraud, etc.
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  • Volume 1, Page 12, Second full paragraph:

    "The Special Counsel structured the investigation in view of his power and authority "to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States Attorney."  28 C.F.R § 600.6.    Like a U.S.  Attorney's Office, the Special Counsel's Office considered a range of classified and unclassified information available to the FBI in the course of the Office's Russia investigation, and the Office structured that work around evidence for possible use in prosecutions of federal crimes (assuming that one or more crimes were identified that warranted prosecution). There was substantial evidence immediately available to the Special Counsel at the inception of the  investigation in May  2017  because  the FBI had, by that  time, already  investigated Russian election  interference for nearly  10 months.   The Special Counsel's Office exercised its judgment regarding what to investigate and did not, for instance, investigate every public report of a contact between the Trump Campaign and Russian-affiliated individuals and entities."

    Seems there might be a few stones left to turn?

    Volume 1, Page 12, Third full paragraph:

    "The Office has concluded its investigation into links and coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. Certain proceedings associated with the Office's work remain ongoing. After consultation with the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, the Office has transferred responsibility for those remaining issues to other components of the Department of Justice and FBI.  Appendix D lists those transfers."

    It ain't over yet. Not by a long shot.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
    edited September 14
    Because social media couldn't have possibly influenced the outcome of the election, particularly in three key states where the margin of victory/defeat was approximately 88,000 votes. Why else would Paulie Manaforte share polling data with his Russian handler?

    From pages 14 and 15 of the Team Mueller Report, last full paragraph and sentences at bottom of page 14 and all of page 15, except footnotes 2 through 5 and 7 through 12 (notice how the redactions are HOM and the information contained in footnote 6; the big blank space is redacted information and is how it appears after posting):

    IRA employees posted derogatory information about a number of candidates in the 2016

    U.S. presidential election.   By early to mid-2016, IRA operations included  supporting the Trump Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton.  The IRA made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities.  Some  IRA employees, posing  as U.S. persons  and without  revealing  their Russian  association,  communicated electronically with  individuals  associated with  the  Trump Campaign and with other  political  activists  to seek to coordinate political  activities, including the staging of  political  rallies.5     The  investigation did  not  identify  evidence that  any  U.S. persons knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA's interference operation.

    "By the end  of the 2016  U.S. election, the  IRA had  the ability  to reach  millions  of U.S. persons  through  their  social  media  accounts.     Multiple  IRA-controlled Facebook groups  and Instagram  accounts  had  hundreds  of  thousands  of  U.S.  participants.    IRA-controlled  Twitter accounts  separately had tens of thousands of followers, including multiple U.S. political figures who retweeted IRA-created content.  In November 2017, a Facebook representative testified that Facebook  had identified  470 IRA-controlled Facebook  accounts that collectively  made 80,000 posts between January 2015 and August 2017.  Facebook estimated the IRA reached as many as

    126 million persons through its Facebook accounts.6   In January 2018, Twitter announced that it

    had  identified  3,814  IRA-controlled  Twitter  accounts  and  notified  approximately  1.4 million people Twitter believed may have been in contact with an iRA-controlled account. 7

     

    A. Structure of the Internet Research Agency

     

     

     

     

    6 Social Media Influence in the 2016 US.  Election, Hearing Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 115th Cong. 13 (11/1/17)  (testimony of Colin Stretch, General Counsel of Facebook) ("We estimate that roughly 29 million people were served content in their News Feeds directly from the IRA 's 80,000 posts over the two years. Posts from these Pages were also shared, liked, and followed by people on Facebook, and, as a result, three times more people may have been exposed to a story that originated from the Russian operation. Our best estimate is that approximately  126 million people may have been served content from a Page associated with the IRA at some point during the two-year  period.").   The Facebook representative also testified that Facebook had identified 170 Instagram accounts that posted approximately 120,000 pieces of content during that time.  Facebook did not offer an estimate of the audience reached via Instagram."

     


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  • “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no obstruction.”

     Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.

    Can you say, "complicity?"


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,908
    thats a question I have, can the polling data shared be cross referenced with those posts to determine definitively if any of those in the polling group were targeted.

    I have no evidence but supposition but I would say its more than probable that that did in fact occur.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    thats a question I have, can the polling data shared be cross referenced with those posts to determine definitively if any of those in the polling group were targeted.

    I have no evidence but supposition but I would say its more than probable that that did in fact occur.
    Cambridge Analytica.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
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    In light of Lewandowski's obstructionist testimony before the house Judiciary Committee yesterday, from the Team Mueller Report, Volume I, page 89:

    e. Russia-Related Communications With The Campaign

    While he was discussing with his foreign contacts a potential meeting of campaign officials with Russian government officials, Papadopoulos kept campaign officials apprised of his efforts. On April25, 2016, the day before Mifsud told Papadopoulos about the emails, Papadopoulos wrote to senior policy advisor Stephen Miller that "[t]he Russian government has an open invitation by Putin for Mr. Trump to meet him when he is ready," and that "[t]he advantage of being in London is that these governments tend to speak a bit more openly in 'neutral' cities."466   On April 27, 2016, after his meeting with Mifsud, Papadopoulos wrote a second message to Miller stating that "some interesting messages [were] coming in from Moscow about a trip when the time is right."467   The same day, Papadopoulos sent a similar email to campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, telling Lewandowski that Papadopoulos had "been receiving a lot of calls over the last month about Putin wanting to host [Trump] and the team when the time is right."468

    Papadopoulos's Russia-related communications with Campaign officials continued throughout the spring and summer of 2016.  On May 4, 2016, he forwarded to Lewandowski an email  from  Timofeev  raising  the  possibility  of  a  meeting  in Moscow,  asking  Lewandowski whether that was "something  we want to move forward  with."469    The next day, Papadopoulos forwarded  the  same Timofeev  email  to Sam Clovis,  adding  to the  top of the  email "Russia update."470    He included the same email in a May 21, 2016 message to senior Campaign official Paul Manafort,  under the subject  line "Request  from  Russia to meet  Mr. Trump," stating that "Russia has been eager to meet Mr. Trump for quite sometime and have been reaching out to me

    463 Papadopoulos Statement of Offense14; 4/25/16 Text Messages, Mifsud & Papadopoulos.

    464  Papadopoulos Statement of Offense14.

    465  This  information  is contained  in the FBI case-opening  document and related  materials.   q:fte

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    6issemittatiefl.   The foreign  government  conveyed  this information  to the U.S. government  on July 26,

    2016, a few days after WikiLeaks's release of Clinton-related emails.  The FBI opened its investigation of potential coordination between Russia and the Trump Campaign a few days later based on the information.

    466  4/25/16 Email, Papadopoulos to S. Miller (8:12:44 p.m.).

    467 4/27/16 Email, Papadopoulos to S. Miller (6:55:58 p.m.).

    468  4/27/16 Email, Papadopoulos to Lewandowski  (7:15:14 p.m.).

    469  5/4/16 Email, Papadopoulos to Lewandowski (8:14:49 a.m.).

    470 5/5/16 Email, Papadopoulos to Clovis (7:15:21 p.m.).

    And Team Trump Treason didn't know a thing and it never went anywhere. Interesting how the DNI's Acting Director is refusing to hand over whistle-blower information to the Congress from their IG, who ruled it has merit, in violation of the law. If Team Trump Treason, "didn't do anything wrong" as Lewandowski testified yesterday, why the obstructionist testimony but more importantly, why is the Acting Director of the DNI not handing over whistle-blower information? Sig-Int? Team Trump Treason recorded speaking to Kislyac? It really is amazing. Impeachment by a thousand drips. June is looking like a great month.

    Oh, and the repubs spouted off about how the IG in the Comey investigation should be followed up on. Has Comey been indicted? Or did I hear he wouldn't be? Funny those repubs.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,523
    mickeyrat said:
    "In late July 2016, soon after Wikileaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

    Volume 1, Page 1, third paragraph
    if that's not collusion I'm not sure what is. 
    which would only matter if collusion were illegal.

    trump has been spoon feeding that word to everyone since this began.
    no, but I'm guessing a whole lotta swing votes wouldn't tolerate him getting help from Russia to get elected. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 28,790
    I found a copy of the Washington Post Mueller Report in book form today at a thrift store.  I thought for interest's sake I might either read the whole report or count how many nap ends there are in a 10 by 10 foot piece of carpeting.  

          vs.   

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  • From Volume I, page 25 of the Team Mueller Report, first 4 full paragraphs (pages 16 through 24 are heavily redacted):

    Throughout 2016, IRA accounts published an increasing number of materials supporting the Trump Campaign and opposing  the Clinton Campaign.  For example, on May 31, 2016, the operational  account "Matt  Skiber"  began to privately message dozens of pro-Trump  Facebook groups asking them to help plan a "pro-Trump rally near Trump Tower."55

    To reach larger U.S. audiences, the IRA purchased advertisements from Facebook that promoted the IRA groups on the newsfeeds of U.S. audience members.  According to Facebook, the  IRA  purchased  over  3,500  advertisementsand  the  expenditures  totaled approximately $100,000.56

    During the U.S. presidential campaign, many IRA-purchased  advertisements explicitly supported or opposed a presidential candidate or promoted U.S. rallies organized by the IRA (discussed  below).   As early  as March 2016,  the  IRA purchased  advertisements  that overtly opposed  the Clinton Campaign.    For example, on March 18, 2016, the IRA purchased an advertisement depicting candidate  Clinton and a caption that read in part, "If one day God letsthis liar enter the White House  as a president -that  day would be a real  national tragedy."57

    Similarly, on April 6, 2016, the IRA purchased advertisements for its account "Black  Matters" calling for a "flashmob" of U.S. persons to "take a photo with #HillaryClintonForPrison2016 or #nohillary2016."58       IRA-purchased   advertisements   featuring  Clinton  were,  with  very  few exceptions, negative.59

    IRA-purchased   advertisements   referencing   candidate   Trump   largely   supported   his campaign.  The first known IRA advertisement explicitly endorsing the Trump Campaign was purchased on April 19, 2016.  The IRA bought an advertisement for its Instagram account "Tea Party News" asking U.S. persons to help them "make a patriotic team of young Trump supporters" by uploading photos with the hashtag "#KIDS4TRUMP."60    In subsequent  months, the IRA purchased dozens of advertisements supporting the Trump Campaign, predominantly through the Facebook groups "Being Patriotic,""Stop All Invaders," and "Secured Borders."

    Yea, sure, there was no collusion. And about that black vote that didn't come out in as nearly the same numbers as when Obama ran (duh) in 2008 and 2012? Nah, social media played no roll in increasing turnout and/or suppressing turnout. All a myth, perpetrated by the Chinese, I suppose? See what 100 Gs and a PTape will get you?
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  • From Volume I, Page 26 of the Team Mueller Report (only wholly non-redacted paragraph on the page):

    "Collectively, the  IRA's social  media  accounts reached  tens of millions  of U.S. persons. Individual IRA social  media accounts attracted hundreds of thousands of followers.  For example, at  the  time  they  were  deactivated  by Facebook in  mid-2017, the  IRA's "United Muslims  of America" Facebook group had over 300,000 followers, the "Don't Shoot Us" Facebook group had over 250,000 followers, the "Being Patriotic" Facebook group had  over 200,000 followers, and the "Secured Borders" Facebook  group  had over 130,000 followers.61  According to Facebook, in total the IRA-controlled accounts made over 80,000 posts before their deactivation in August 2017, and these posts reached  at least 29 million U.S persons  and "may  have reached an estimated 126 million  people."62"

    Interestingly, 880,000 potential voters (of course we'll never know if every Faceturd group follower was of voting age,  a registered voter and voted or not) of the Faceturd group followers mentioned above, divided into the number of votes that threw three key states, 88,000, is 10%. So all putin on the ritz needed was 10% of a small group of engaged citizenry to throw an election. Divide the larger numbers that are estimated to be reached and it becomes 3 1/1000ths and 6/10,000ths, respectively (if I did my math correctly, I was never good with math and may still not be). And golly gee willakers, all done without ANY collusion. 10 HOMs on the page, inclusive of footnotes. 


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    From the Team Mueller Report, Volume II (the section that deals with obstruction of justice and contains the least number of redactions), Page 71, first full paragraph and part of the next:

    In the  morning  on May  10, 2017,  President Trump  met  with  Russian  Foreign  Minister Sergey Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the Oval Office.468    The media subsequently reported  that during  the May  l 0 meeting  the President  brought  up his decision  the prior day to terminate Corney, telling Lavrov  and Kislyak:  "T just fired the head of the F.B.I.  He was crazy, a real nut job.  I faced great pressure because of Russia.  That's taken off. . .. I'm  not under investigation.'>469  The President never denied making those statements, and the White House did  not  dispute   the  account,   instead   issuing  a  statement   that  said:  "By   grandstanding and politicizing the investigation  into Russia's actions, James Corney created  unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate  with Russia.  The investigation  would have always continued, and obviously, the termination  of Corney would not have ended  it.  Once again,  the real story  is that our national security  has been undermined  by the leaking of private and highly classified information."470  Hicks said that when she told the President about the reports on his meeting with Lavrov, he did not look concerned  and said of Corney, "he is crazy."471   When McGahn asked the President  about  his comments  to Lavrov,  the President  said  it was good  that  Corney  was fired because  that took the pressure  off  by making  it clear that  he was not under  investigation  so he could get more work done.472

    That same  morning, on  May  I 0, 2017, the President  called  McCabe.473   According  to a memorandum  McCabe wrote following the call, the President  asked McCabe  to come over to the White House to discuss whether the President  should visit FBI headquarters and make a speech  to

    The question now becomes whether all transcripts, recordings, notes, etc. of these two crucial meetings and conversations were handed over to Team Mueller during the Team Mueller investigation or whether, like The Ukraine telephone call, were squirreled away on the password protected secret server. If so, another instance of obstruction of justice but more importantly, what was said, by whom and was there a quid pro quo like The Ukraine telephone call? Or were they "perfect phone calls" and if so, why commit an illegal act by "classifying" and hiding them? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
    Gee, faux news and the repub senate confirming what was obvious in the Team Mueller Report. But yo! You know social media has no effect on election outcomes.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
    From Volume I, Page 36 of the Team Mueller Report:

    Ill.  RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS

    Beginning in March 2016, units of the Russian Federation's Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff (GRU) hacked the computers and email accounts of organizations, employees, and  volunteers  supporting the  Clinton  Campaign,  including  the  email  account  of campaign chairman John Podesta. Starting in April 2016, the GRU hacked into the computer networks of the Democratic   Congressional  Campaign   Committee   (DCCC)   and   the   Democratic   National Committee (DNC).   The GRU targeted  hundreds of email accounts used by Clinton Campaign employees, advisors, and volunteers.  In total, the GRU stole hundreds of thousands of documents from the compromised  email accounts and networks.109  The GRU later released stolen Clinton Campaign and DNC documents through online personas, "DCLeaks" and "Guccifer 2.0," and later through the organization  WikiLeaks.   The release of the documents  was designed and timed to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election and undermine the Clinton Campaign.

    The next paragraph is heavily redacted and because of formatting issues, won't display properly like it does in the Team Mueller Report. I've typed it verbatim, indicating the redactions and their reason below:

    "The Trump Campaign showed interest in the WikiLeaks release and, in the summer and fall of 2016, (HOM). After (HOM) WikiLeaks's first Clinton-related release (HOM), the Trump Campaign stayed in contact (HOM) about WikiLeaks's activities. The investigation was unable to resolve (HOM) WikiLeaks's release of the stolen Podesta emails on October 7,2016, the same day a video from years earlier was published of Trump using graphic language about women." (bold is my own)

    Team Mueller was "unable to resolve." What? 5 HOMs in one paragraph regarding a very key event in the whole impeachable offense. Further, Harm to Ongoing Matter may relate to Rodger Dodger Stoned and his upcoming trial or it may involve others, like Jared Dear Boy and Donny Jr. CYA Barr put the kabosh on Team Mueller and the dems in Congress need to follow up and inform the American people of what happened and who was involved. In light of "Russia if you're listening," what we now know of The Ukraine and the Whistleblower and the arrests of Ruddy Ghouliani's goons, who were funneling foreign campaign contributions in the lead up to the election. It would be irresponsible of both political parties not to do so. But you know, go RED team. 

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
    edited October 18
    From Page 69 of the Team Mueller Report. Team Trump Treason announced his candidacy in June 2015. "I don't know any Russians."

    b.  Communications  with  LC.  Expert  Investment  Company  and   Giorgi Rtskhiladze (Summer and Fall 2015)

    In the late summer of 2015, the Trump Organization received a new inquiry about pursuing a Trump Tower project in Moscow.  In approximately September 2015, Felix Sater, a New York­ based real estate advisor, contacted Michael Cohen, then-executive  vice president of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Donald J. Trump.304   Sater had previously worked with the Trump Organization  and advised it on a number of domestic and international projects.  Sater had explored the possibility  of a Trump Tower project in Moscow  while working  with the Trump Organization  and  therefore  knew of  the organization's   general  interest  in completing  a deal there.305    Sater had also served  as an informal  agent of  the  Trump  Organization  in Moscow previously and had accompanied  Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. to Moscow in the mid-2000s.306

    Sater  contacted  Cohen  on  behalf of I.C. Expert  Investment  Company  (l.C.  Expert), a Russian real-estate development corporation controlled by Andrei Vladimirovich Rozov.307   Sater had known Rozov since approximately  2007 and, in 2014, had served as an agent on behalf of Rozov during Rozov's purchase of a building in New York City.308  Sater later contacted Rozov and proposed that I.C. Expert pursue a Trump Tower Moscow project in which I.C. Expert would license the name and brand from the Trump Organization  but construct the building on its own. Sater worked on the deal with Rozov and another employee of I.C. Expert.309

    Cohen  was the only Trump  Organization  representative  to negotiate directly  with I.C. Expert or its agents.  In approximately September 2015, Cohen obtained approval to negotiate with I.C. Expert from candidate Trump, who was then president of the Trump Organization.  Cohen provided updates directly to Trump about the project throughout 2015 and into 2016, assuring him the project  was continuing.310  Cohen also discussed the Trump  Moscow  project  with Ivanka Trump as to design elements (such as possible architects to use for the project 31 1) and Donald J. Trump Jr. (about his experience in Moscow and possible involvement in the project 31 2) during the fall of 2015.                     ·

    Sater provided information to our Office in two 2017 interviews conducted under a proffer agreement.

    306 Sater9/19/17 302, at 1-2, 5.

    307 Sater 9/19/17 302, at 3.

    308 Rozov 1/25/18 302, at 1.

    309 Rozov 1/25/18 302, at 1; see also 11/2/15 Email, Cohen to Rozov et al. (sending J etter of intent).

    31° Cohen 9/12/18 302, at 1-2,4-6.

    311 Cohen 9/12/18 302, at 5.

    3 12 Cohen 9/12/18 302, at4-5.

    Sure, Team Trump Treason didn't know any of this was going on. Sure. There are two redactions for Grand Jury at the Sater proffer agreement citation.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
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    In light of today's court ruling, and for those who may not have read the Team Mueller Report, and if I did my math correctly, there are 360 redactions, all but 11 in Volume I, in the Team Mueller Report, 63% of the total, for "Grand Jury" reasons. From page 13 of the Team Mueller Report, Volume II (Bold is my own and there's, surprise, a redaction between the words "interviewed" and "During" in the first paragraph to the second):

    We  also  sought  a  voluntary  interview  with  the  President. After more than a year of discussions, the President declined  to be interviewed. 

    During the course of our discussions, the president did agree to answer  our written  questions  on  certain  Russia-related  topics, and he provided  us with answers.   He did not similarly agree to provide written  answers to questions  on obstruction  topics or questions on events during the transition.   Ultimately, while we believed that we had the authority and legal justification to issue a grand jury subpoena to obtain the President's testimony, we chose not to do so.  We made that decision  in view of the substantial  delay that such an investigative step would  likely produce  at a late stage  in our investigation.  We also assessed that based on the significant  body of evidence we had already  obtained of the President 's actions and  his public  and  private statements describing  or explaining those actions,  we  had sufficient evidence  to understand  relevant  events  and to m ake certain  assessments with out the President's testimony.    The  Office's decision-making process  on  this  issue  is described  in more  detail  in Append ix C, infra, in a note that precedes  the President's written responses.

    In assessing  the evidence  we obtained, we relied on common  principles  that apply in any investigation.  The issue of criminal  intent  is often inferred  from  circumstantial evidence.   See, e.g., United States v. Croteau, 819 F.3d  1293,  1 305 (IIth Cir. 2016)  ("[G]uilty knowledge can rarely  be established  by direct evidence.... Therefore, mens rea elements such as knowledge  or intent  may  be proved  by circumstantial evidence.") (internal  quotation  marks omitted);  United States  v.  Robinson, 702   F.3d   22,  36  (2d  Cir. 2012)   ("The  government's  case rested on circumstantial evidence, but the mens rea elements of knowledge and intent can often be proved through  circumstantial  evidence and the reasonable inferences drawtherefrom.")  (internal quotation  marks omitted).   The principle that intent can be inferred from circumstantial evidence is a necessity in criminal cases, given the right of a subject to assert his privilege against compelled self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment and therefore  decline  to testify.   Accordingly, determinations on intent are frequently reached without the opportunity  to interview an investigatory subject.

    But yea, lets discuss fruit from the poisonous tree. Redactions, redactions, what's your factsion? See, boys and girls? Connecting dots is fun, fun, fun! Nancy likes connecting dots. Adam Shiff likes connecting dots? Devin Nunca? Not so much. NOTE: Edited to reflect the number of "Grand Jury" redactions, 360 out of a total of 569.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,743
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    Somebody is not afraid to speak up and out. And take questions. I'm sure he's looking over his shoulder waiting for that indictment to drop. PTape details.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?465521-1/james-comey-nicolle-wallace-discuss-leadership-politics-politicon
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