Unpopular Opinions

oftenreading

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Opinions can be based on incorrect information, biases or downright falsehoods and can indeed be invalid. 

LongestRoad

Bashing the band on the porch. Please don’t renew next year. 

JimmyV

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Opinions can be based on incorrect information, biases or downright falsehoods and can indeed be invalid. 

So too can assessments of others' opinions. If you run around claiming opinions you disagree with are invalid, it might be you who has fallen victim to incorrect information, bias or downright falsehood. Sometimes you might be right. Other times...less so.

LongestRoad

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Opinions can be based on incorrect information, biases or downright falsehoods and can indeed be invalid. 

Depression is complicated. You can’t know what’s going on in someone else’s head until you walk in their shoes. Me personally, I don’t think I could do that. Knowing someone who has attempted it, like I said you don’t know what’s going on inside that person. You are not them.  You can’t offer advice, except to advise them to seek outside help with therapy from someone who is well trained, competent and unbiased in their help. 
Chris Cornell didn’t mean for that to happen. 

F Me In The Brain

JimmyV said:

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Opinions can be based on incorrect information, biases or downright falsehoods and can indeed be invalid. 

So too can assessments of others' opinions. If you run around claiming opinions you disagree with are invalid, it might be you who has fallen victim to incorrect information, bias or downright falsehood. Sometimes you might be right. Other times...less so.

I know I have posted this before....but I agree with Oftenreading. 

Opinions are not something we automatically should respect.  If your opinion is something that is harmful to others it should be invalidated by others.

This may be Unpopular, but just because someone thinks the KKK is a great organization does not mean I should respect their opinion. 

F them. 

A Modest Proposal is something I would point to.  Satire?  Yes.  Representative of the ludicrous stances that some people take?  Yep.  Never more true than today, IMO.

ledvedderman

LongestRoad said:

Bashing the band on the porch. Please don’t renew next year. 

Oh come on. Don’t be that person who loves every single thing the band has ever done. That’s nonsense. It doesn’t make one less of a fan just because there’s some things you don’t like. I honestly think it makes one a better fan to disagree- that you stick around in spite of things you don’t agreee with. With logic like yours, the divorce rate in the country would be 100%.

LongestRoad

ledvedderman said:

LongestRoad said:

Bashing the band on the porch. Please don’t renew next year. 

Oh come on. Don’t be that person who loves every single thing the band has ever done. That’s nonsense. It doesn’t make one less of a fan just because there’s some things you don’t like. I honestly think it makes one a better fan to disagree- that you stick around in spite of things you don’t agreee with. With logic like yours, the divorce rate in the country would be 100%.

If your spouse is constantly telling you how wrong you are and criticizing everything you’re doing, that’s lowering your self esteem and  considered verbal abuse. Please don’t stick around. Find someone you think is brilliant no matter what and tell them that. If you can constantly find fault, you’re in the wrong place. 

ledvedderman

One thread or one post by someone is not “constantly telling.” Besides, the thread title is “unpopular opinions” not “I think these things are crap and therefore the band is crap.” Get a hold of yourself and live realistically. It really is okay to not like some things. It really is. Hell, THE BAND clearly doesn’t like every little thing and it’s their blood, sweat, and tears. I promise you can still be super fan guy if you don’t like things. We’re talking bands and music- not a life philosophy. 

LongestRoad

And one more thing, to say you don’t care for a song is way different than making a personal attack on someone’s ability, look or personality. I’ve seen all of that done here. 

ledvedderman

LongestRoad said:

And one more thing, to say you don’t care for a song is way different than making a personal attack on someone’s ability, look or personality. I’ve seen all of that done here. 

Well I don’t agree with that stuff either but I’m not going to tell them not to renew because they said something I disagreed with. I’m sure you knew very well by clicking on this thread that you would probably read things that you didn’t agree with- but you clicked anyway. 

LongestRoad

ledvedderman said:

LongestRoad said:

And one more thing, to say you don’t care for a song is way different than making a personal attack on someone’s ability, look or personality. I’ve seen all of that done here. 

Well I don’t agree with that stuff either but I’m not going to act like a child and tell them not to renew because they said something I disagreed with. I’m sure you knew very well by clicking on this thread that you would probably read things that you didn’t agree with- but you clicked anyway. 

Of course I knew there would be stuff I don’t agree with.  

I’ll rephrase. Please by all means renew, buy tickets, merchandise and put stickers and patches all over yourself and your belongs to advertise the band. Just don’t post. Thank you. 

oftenreading

JimmyV said:

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Opinions can be based on incorrect information, biases or downright falsehoods and can indeed be invalid. 

So too can assessments of others' opinions. If you run around claiming opinions you disagree with are invalid, it might be you who has fallen victim to incorrect information, bias or downright falsehood. Sometimes you might be right. Other times...less so.

With your post you have supported my assertion. Was that your intention?

ledvedderman

LongestRoad said:

ledvedderman said:

LongestRoad said:

And one more thing, to say you don’t care for a song is way different than making a personal attack on someone’s ability, look or personality. I’ve seen all of that done here. 

Well I don’t agree with that stuff either but I’m not going to act like a child and tell them not to renew because they said something I disagreed with. I’m sure you knew very well by clicking on this thread that you would probably read things that you didn’t agree with- but you clicked anyway. 

Of course I knew there would be stuff I don’t agree with.  

I’ll rephrase. Please by all means renew, buy tickets, merchandise and put stickers and patches all over yourself and your belongs to advertise the band. Just don’t post. Thank you. 

I mean, that’s a little better. This place would certainly be boring if every post was:
do you think Backspacer is awesome?
yeah, Backspacer is incredible!
cool! We agree. 
end of topic 

debate and discussion is the whole point of this place. 

JimmyV

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Opinions can be based on incorrect information, biases or downright falsehoods and can indeed be invalid. 

So too can assessments of others' opinions. If you run around claiming opinions you disagree with are invalid, it might be you who has fallen victim to incorrect information, bias or downright falsehood. Sometimes you might be right. Other times...less so.

With your post you have supported my assertion. Was that your intention?

I didn't disagree with your post. I just pointed out that what you describe can be a slippery slope.

Not everything is an argument.

RoleModelsinBlood31

lastexitlondon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

People are all entitled to their own opinions, there is no right or wrong.  I agree with windowpayne, suicide is selfish.  Think about your kids, they need you.  Man up.  Go get help, not a rope.

Fuckin man up. ?Must be one of the most stupid or ignorant phrases I've ever heard. I do not care who you are or what you believe that is ignorant. Do you really believe  its un manly to suffer. Many people  including myself have taken help and advice and medications  and have children . You my friend have no conception of this subject and i hope you never  do.

It’s an unpopular opinion! Relax, that’s what the thread is about

mcgruff10

I wish Ed would stop playing the beginning of porch on guitar.

LongestRoad

ledvedderman said:

LongestRoad said:

ledvedderman said:

LongestRoad said:

And one more thing, to say you don’t care for a song is way different than making a personal attack on someone’s ability, look or personality. I’ve seen all of that done here. 

Well I don’t agree with that stuff either but I’m not going to act like a child and tell them not to renew because they said something I disagreed with. I’m sure you knew very well by clicking on this thread that you would probably read things that you didn’t agree with- but you clicked anyway. 

Of course I knew there would be stuff I don’t agree with.  

I’ll rephrase. Please by all means renew, buy tickets, merchandise and put stickers and patches all over yourself and your belongs to advertise the band. Just don’t post. Thank you. 

I mean, that’s a little better. This place would certainly be boring if every post was:
do you think Backspacer is awesome?
yeah, Backspacer is incredible!
cool! We agree. 
end of topic 

debate and discussion is the whole point of this place. 

Totally agree as long as no personal criticism. 

JimmyV

I love Pearl Jam but I don't think a lot of other music from the 90's has aged very well.

ledvedderman

JimmyV said:

I love Pearl Jam but I don't think a lot of other music from the 90's has aged very well.

I could agree to that. Now, how much of that can be attributed to the fact that it was likely part of most of our formative years and we’ve played it into the ground for 25 years or so? I think it certainly will hold up over time and inspire new players forever. 

Ledbetterman10

JimmyV said:

I love Pearl Jam but I don't think a lot of other music from the 90's has aged very well.

I disagree. I think the bands from the 90's that most of us revere (Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Rage, Soundgarden, Radiohead, etc.) hold up very well today. I also think the one-hit wonder bands of that era were fun for what the were (Spin Doctors, Fastball, etc.) Hell, even the crappy pop music of the 90's is better than today's. I'll take the Macarena over whatever Beyoncé puts out. And rap? Forget it. It was a thousand times better in the 90's than it is today. Both the serious rappers (like Tupac) and the goofballs (like Skee-lo).