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thispureamericanriot

iwantmypie said:

Boom Gaspar doesn't do it for me at all.
jk he's the friggin man  

YES!!!! Boooooommmm.

MC185899

Ledbetterman10 said:

I'm going to word this carefully and pull some punches......

I do not care for the music of Andy Wood and Mother Love Bone. 

I mostly agreed(other than Crown Of Thorns) at one time.  Then I heard Chris Cornell singing MLB songs with Temple of The Dog and had a change of heart.  

I always think of PJ20 where Cornell was talking about Andy Wood and he was basically in awe of him.  It’s hard to argue with that.  Cornell doing Stardog Champion was one of the highlights of that concert. 

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

SmallestOceans said:

PJ_Soul said:

SmallestOceans said:

PJ_Soul said:

One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal.

Er, I meant as a band.

Haha! Stone disagrees.

No, but really... what I mean isn't related to the subjective sexiness or hotness of each band member. It's more about the overall vibe of the group together and their sound. That rock "sex appeal" that record labels drool over because it sells millions of records to fans, the majority of whom are men, lol.

Unfortunately we can never know. I’ve wondered this myself. There was great talent, Ten was written pretty shortly after his death, Keff and Stone could have written some of those same great songs with a different vocal. Maybe they would have sucked, maybe not.
I do not like most of MLB, but Crown and a couple others are great and show they could have it in them.

PB11041

PJ_Soul said:

SmallestOceans said:

PJ_Soul said:

SmallestOceans said:

PJ_Soul said:

One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal.

Er, I meant as a band.

Haha! Stone disagrees.

No, but really... what I mean isn't related to the subjective sexiness or hotness of each band member. It's more about the overall vibe of the group together and their sound. That rock "sex appeal" that record labels drool over because it sells millions of records to fans, the majority of whom are men, lol.

This does not mean Mother Love Bone would have succeeded, but they absolutely had the appeal and record labels were drooling over it.  The band had labels in a bidding war for their services and Polygram threw a significant amount of money at them to record their debut LP.

We all see things through the lens of what WE KNOW happened.  That Nevermind was released at a time when the 80s pop scene was fading to dust and the world literally was taken be surprise in a tsunami that will never likely see the likes of again given how quick information flows today.

It is not terribly difficult to imagine an alternate universe in which in March 1990, Apple is released, Andy does not OD, and Crown of Thorns becomes an FM rock staple.  One thing is pretty undeniable whether one likes MLB or not, their music and presence was better and had more staying power than trash like Warrant, Poison, etc

Nevermind would still have gotten released and the music world would have still had the seismic shift.   There just would be no Pearl Jam in that mix.

thispureamericanriot

PB11041 said:

There just would be no Pearl Jam in that mix.

No Temple of the Dog either...

thispureamericanriot

thispureamericanriot said:

I don't think I ever listened to "Johnny Guitar" more than once after buying Backspacer at Target.

I've never seen PJ live having been a fan since 1991.

Don't mind saying Dave A. is a fantastic drummer, but Matt Cameron is just a "little mo' better".

Bono was once a rockstar...now he looks like an old Irish Robin Williams. Just sad.

I never listen to PJ bootlegs. Can't stand them. I much prefer the studio versions of songs.

Think Boom should write more songs with the band.

3 of my favorite songs are: Big Wave, Ole, Let The Records Play (not a joke...I love those songs).

Wish Ed would stop playing the ukulele - can't stand the sound of the thing.

Wish PJ would play entire Temple of Dog/Mother Love Bone sets (seriously, Ed singing "Pushin' Forward Back" and "Stardog Champion").

I've got a free bootleg download code. I'll share it with first to message me.

OnWis97

PJ_Soul said:

I don't agree with that. One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal, especially compared to GnR. Also, GnR's music was simply superior and had way more mass appeal for several reasons - skill, vocals, lyrics, style ... pretty much everything. I think suggesting that MLB might have reached GnR levels of success probably demonstrates a pretty serious bias for MLB, no offense.

I think MLB was kinda just another "hair band" for the most part.  Of course, I also think GNR is one of the most over-rated acts of my lifetime (unpopular opinion!).  Their albums had a lot of filler and a lot of their lyrics were awful.  (The same can be said of the small sample size of MLB)

That said, they had a handful of really good songs; the kind of songs that were good enough to sell the albums full of filler. If I were to take the top 10 GNR/MLB songs, I think it would be nine GNR songs along with Crown of Thorns (which unfortunately wasn't gonna hit the radio and pull people in the way Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, or even Patience did).  Who knows?  With Stone writing songs, maybe their next album would have put them on the map, though by then Nirvana would have been out and being like GNR wouldn't have been as valuable. (of course being from Seattle would have).

OnWis97

KN219077 said:

Setting Forth is in thr bottom 10 songs live: luckily only 1 1/2 mins

I'm not sure why that one has become a semi-frequent play.  That album has another 90-second song, No Ceiling, that's probably my favorite on the whole album.  I wish they'd break that one 

Spiritual_Chaos

OnWis97 said:

KN219077 said:

Setting Forth is in thr bottom 10 songs live: luckily only 1 1/2 mins

I'm not sure why that one has become a semi-frequent play.  That album has another 90-second song, No Ceiling, that's probably my favorite on the whole album.  I wish they'd break that one 

Didn't Eddie say it was Matts suggestion?

PJ_Soul

OnWis97 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't agree with that. One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal, especially compared to GnR. Also, GnR's music was simply superior and had way more mass appeal for several reasons - skill, vocals, lyrics, style ... pretty much everything. I think suggesting that MLB might have reached GnR levels of success probably demonstrates a pretty serious bias for MLB, no offense.

I think MLB was kinda just another "hair band" for the most part.  Of course, I also think GNR is one of the most over-rated acts of my lifetime (unpopular opinion!).  Their albums had a lot of filler and a lot of their lyrics were awful.  (The same can be said of the small sample size of MLB)

That said, they had a handful of really good songs; the kind of songs that were good enough to sell the albums full of filler. If I were to take the top 10 GNR/MLB songs, I think it would be nine GNR songs along with Crown of Thorns (which unfortunately wasn't gonna hit the radio and pull people in the way Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, or even Patience did).  Who knows?  With Stone writing songs, maybe their next album would have put them on the map, though by then Nirvana would have been out and being like GNR wouldn't have been as valuable. (of course being from Seattle would have).

I think their main problem was that Andy Wood did not have enough appeal, nor the voice to hit it big time in that period. Unpopular opinion: Andy Wood was ultimately a rather unlikable character as a lead singer with too much of a head for glam fame, and he in particular did not have what it would have taken to carry MLB into the big leagues in the 90s. They would have been completely overshadowed by many other bands.

rummy

PJ_Soul said:

OnWis97 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't agree with that. One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal, especially compared to GnR. Also, GnR's music was simply superior and had way more mass appeal for several reasons - skill, vocals, lyrics, style ... pretty much everything. I think suggesting that MLB might have reached GnR levels of success probably demonstrates a pretty serious bias for MLB, no offense.

I think MLB was kinda just another "hair band" for the most part.  Of course, I also think GNR is one of the most over-rated acts of my lifetime (unpopular opinion!).  Their albums had a lot of filler and a lot of their lyrics were awful.  (The same can be said of the small sample size of MLB)

That said, they had a handful of really good songs; the kind of songs that were good enough to sell the albums full of filler. If I were to take the top 10 GNR/MLB songs, I think it would be nine GNR songs along with Crown of Thorns (which unfortunately wasn't gonna hit the radio and pull people in the way Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, or even Patience did).  Who knows?  With Stone writing songs, maybe their next album would have put them on the map, though by then Nirvana would have been out and being like GNR wouldn't have been as valuable. (of course being from Seattle would have).

I think their main problem was that Andy Wood did not have enough appeal, nor the voice to hit it big time in that period. Unpopular opinion: Andy Wood was ultimately a rather unlikable character as a lead singer with too much of a head for glam fame, and he in particular did not have what it would have taken to carry MLB into the big leagues in the 90s. They would have been completely overshadowed by many other bands.

Bingo.

PB11041

PJ_Soul said:

OnWis97 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't agree with that. One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal, especially compared to GnR. Also, GnR's music was simply superior and had way more mass appeal for several reasons - skill, vocals, lyrics, style ... pretty much everything. I think suggesting that MLB might have reached GnR levels of success probably demonstrates a pretty serious bias for MLB, no offense.

I think MLB was kinda just another "hair band" for the most part.  Of course, I also think GNR is one of the most over-rated acts of my lifetime (unpopular opinion!).  Their albums had a lot of filler and a lot of their lyrics were awful.  (The same can be said of the small sample size of MLB)

That said, they had a handful of really good songs; the kind of songs that were good enough to sell the albums full of filler. If I were to take the top 10 GNR/MLB songs, I think it would be nine GNR songs along with Crown of Thorns (which unfortunately wasn't gonna hit the radio and pull people in the way Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, or even Patience did).  Who knows?  With Stone writing songs, maybe their next album would have put them on the map, though by then Nirvana would have been out and being like GNR wouldn't have been as valuable. (of course being from Seattle would have).

I think their main problem was that Andy Wood did not have enough appeal, nor the voice to hit it big time in that period. Unpopular opinion: Andy Wood was ultimately a rather unlikable character as a lead singer with too much of a head for glam fame, and he in particular did not have what it would have taken to carry MLB into the big leagues in the 90s. They would have been completely overshadowed by many other bands.

Andy Wood was their appeal.  And that is not myth making post his death and the complete ascent of music out of the Pacific Northwest.
Wood was by and large the reason that Mother Love Bone was being sought after by record labels.  People legitimately and accurately felt he was going to be a star.   When you couple that with the band was tight with emerging peers like Soundgarden, it is hard to imagine they would not have been in the mix.  Mother Love Bone would never have been as big as some of the other bands that rose out of the early 1990s, but that was not because of Wood or their music, the music industry took a hard turn after years of pop nonsense, garbage faux metal and a borderline burying of good music. MLBs influence and music was much more a mix of 1970s pop/rock.  

PJ_Soul

PB11041 said:

PJ_Soul said:

OnWis97 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't agree with that. One of MLB's problems was that they had about 0% sex appeal, especially compared to GnR. Also, GnR's music was simply superior and had way more mass appeal for several reasons - skill, vocals, lyrics, style ... pretty much everything. I think suggesting that MLB might have reached GnR levels of success probably demonstrates a pretty serious bias for MLB, no offense.

I think MLB was kinda just another "hair band" for the most part.  Of course, I also think GNR is one of the most over-rated acts of my lifetime (unpopular opinion!).  Their albums had a lot of filler and a lot of their lyrics were awful.  (The same can be said of the small sample size of MLB)

That said, they had a handful of really good songs; the kind of songs that were good enough to sell the albums full of filler. If I were to take the top 10 GNR/MLB songs, I think it would be nine GNR songs along with Crown of Thorns (which unfortunately wasn't gonna hit the radio and pull people in the way Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, or even Patience did).  Who knows?  With Stone writing songs, maybe their next album would have put them on the map, though by then Nirvana would have been out and being like GNR wouldn't have been as valuable. (of course being from Seattle would have).

I think their main problem was that Andy Wood did not have enough appeal, nor the voice to hit it big time in that period. Unpopular opinion: Andy Wood was ultimately a rather unlikable character as a lead singer with too much of a head for glam fame, and he in particular did not have what it would have taken to carry MLB into the big leagues in the 90s. They would have been completely overshadowed by many other bands.

Andy Wood was their appeal.  And that is not myth making post his death and the complete ascent of music out of the Pacific Northwest.
Wood was by and large the reason that Mother Love Bone was being sought after by record labels.  People legitimately and accurately felt he was going to be a star.   When you couple that with the band was tight with emerging peers like Soundgarden, it is hard to imagine they would not have been in the mix.  Mother Love Bone would never have been as big as some of the other bands that rose out of the early 1990s, but that was not because of Wood or their music, the music industry took a hard turn after years of pop nonsense, garbage faux metal and a borderline burying of good music. MLBs influence and music was much more a mix of 1970s pop/rock.  

Yes, well I guess we both have unpopular opinions when it comes to Andy Wood.

Spiritual_Chaos

If I would listen to something Pearl Jam before Pearl Jam it would be Bad Radio. I like the groovy-ness of those songs. Never fallen for MLB or Green River.

Spiritual_Chaos

wrong thread

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If I would listen to something Pearl Jam before Pearl Jam it would be Bad Radio. I like the groovy-ness of those songs. Never fallen for MLB or Green River.

I enjoy the fact that Better Man is technically a Bad Radio cover, lol.

PB11041

The brussel sprout, when prepared properly is an excellent side dish.

F Me In The Brain

PB11041 said:

The brussel sprout, when prepared properly is an excellent side dish.

Despite the fact that this has nothing to do with Pearl Jam's Music, it is the best thing written here.  It is an unpopular opinion, and one that happens to be true! 

Bentleyspop

PB11041 said:

The brussel sprout, when prepared properly is an excellent side dish.

When prepared with bacon, yes.
Otherwise I'm not so sure.

HesCalledDyer

PB11041 said:

The brussel sprout, when prepared properly is an excellent side dish.

Trick statement. There is no proper way to prepare brussels sprouts.