Kavanaugh

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

Do you believe Dr. Ford made everything up? And a senate confirmation hearing is the same as murder? Really? 

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

unsung said:

#believeallwomen


It is that absurd.

Damn. Good call. 

How is this a"good call"?  Ms. Ford testified under oath and credibly.  Kavanaugh was evasive and obviously lied about small things, at a minimum, calling into question the big things.  Honestly it's an absurd analogy and I hope this was a knee jerk comment rather than a thoughtful one.  We expect idiocy from Unsung, not you. 

Ha.  Thanks for the compliment. I do however agree with the analogy. Ms Bryant revealed she was lying nearly 50 years later. 

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

I haven't heard any conservative say they think she is lying.  Even the GOP senators said that she was credible...they just think she is mistaken that it was Kavanaugh.

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

BS take. Read up on it.

Spiritual_Chaos

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

I haven't heard any conservative say they think she is lying.  Even the GOP senators said that she was credible...they just think she is mistaken that it was Kavanaugh.

And what are theY basing that theorY on -- a theorY theY all now parrot?

"MY god, she is credible.... how can we escape this without calling her a liar....."BRAINSTORM PEOPLE!"

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

Halifax2TheMax

Would you teach a compare/contrast class on emmet till and Kavanaugh, if you believe Unsung’s analogy?

Shaking my head in wonder.

Gern Blansten

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

I haven't heard any conservative say they think she is lying.  Even the GOP senators said that she was credible...they just think she is mistaken that it was Kavanaugh.

And what are theY basing that theorY on -- a theorY theY all now parrot?

"MY god, she is credible.... how can we escape this without calling her a liar....."BRAINSTORM PEOPLE!"

They are basing it on the three people that she named at the party not being able to back up her story.  It's convenient for them...of course those three don't remember because they weren't assaulted and Ford didn't tell them she was assaulted.

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

I haven't heard any conservative say they think she is lying.  Even the GOP senators said that she was credible...they just think she is mistaken that it was Kavanaugh.

And what are theY basing that theorY on -- a theorY theY all now parrot?

"MY god, she is credible.... how can we escape this without calling her a liar....."BRAINSTORM PEOPLE!"

They are basing it on the three people that she named at the party not being able to back up her story.  It's convenient for them...of course those three don't remember because they weren't assaulted and Ford didn't tell them she was assaulted.

Nor were or are they under oath.

Spiritual_Chaos

Cuomo is speaking a  bit about this here. Just happen to listen to it now. Cuomo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIpCzMvwL3Q

njnancy

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

The main problem with the analogy is that Till was not killed because of a movement for the rights of women. He was killed because he was a black kid and that was as good an excuse as any. The men who murdered that 14 year old held white women in just a wee bit higher regard than a black kid. This was a racist issue. Kavanaugh is a sexist issue. 

mcgruff10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Would you teach a compare/contrast class on emmet till and Kavanaugh, if you believe Unsung’s analogy?

Shaking my head in wonder.

I teach Till as it happened and the effect it had on the Civil Rights Movement.  
Would Tawana Brawley be the better example for Kavanaugh?

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

Gern Blansten

I forget who was questioning Kavanaugh at the time but I remember they asked about some legal phrase that basically meant "if caught lying once you are likely lying multiple times".

Kavanaugh was clearly lying about his drinking habits.  He was clearly lying about the yearbook entries.  He is only a few years older than me...I went to school with pricks like him.  Boofing referred to farts?  Devil's Triangle a drinking game?  Fucking bullshit.

If he would have been truthful from the start he would have been confirmed already.  Now he's in the performance of his life to get his lifetime seat.

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

Having an educated,  thoughtful one is more powerful.  Defend your position then..or leave. I welcome a good argument,  be glad to hear what you think are the similarities between Till and Kavanaugh. Please..

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

I can't fathom how you would begin to compare Till to Kavanaugh.  Makes zero sense on any level.

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

I can't fathom how you would begin to compare Till to Kavanaugh.  Makes zero sense on any level.

It does to me. Woman claims something and fifty years later she admits that she is lying. Like I said, no one knows the truth except the two people in the room. 

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

unsung said:

#believeallwomen


It is that absurd.

Damn. Good call. 

I'm lost here, guys.  What does this mean?

Emitt till was killed in money, Mississippi because he either whistled or said something like “see you later baby” at a white woman.  She told her husband and he killed emitt.  Turns out the lady made the whole thing up. 

Thanks, McG!  Yeah, right, like the Dylan song.  (My memory is not so good these days.)

Not sure what that incident has to do with Kavanaugh though.  

oftenreading

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

unsung said:

#believeallwomen


It is that absurd.

Damn. Good call. 

I'm lost here, guys.  What does this mean?

Emitt till was killed in money, Mississippi because he either whistled or said something like “see you later baby” at a white woman.  She told her husband and he killed emitt.  Turns out the lady made the whole thing up. 

Thanks, McG!  Yeah, right, like the Dylan song.  (My memory is not so good these days.)

Not sure what that incident has to do with Kavanaugh though.  

Nothing. The analysis is at the level of “some woman once said something that wasn’t true, so you can’t believe any of them” 
 

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

unsung said:

#believeallwomen


It is that absurd.

Damn. Good call. 

I'm lost here, guys.  What does this mean?

Emitt till was killed in money, Mississippi because he either whistled or said something like “see you later baby” at a white woman.  She told her husband and he killed emitt.  Turns out the lady made the whole thing up. 

Thanks, McG!  Yeah, right, like the Dylan song.  (My memory is not so good these days.)

Not sure what that incident has to do with Kavanaugh though.  

Nothing. The analysis is at the level of “some woman once said something that wasn’t true, so you can’t believe any of them” 
 

It s an example. Why is this so hard to comprehend? It happens. The effects of till s murder on the civil rights movement are very similar to the implications on the Supreme Court. Ms Bryant lied for fifty years, who knows what the truth is with Kavanaugh?  Like I said before, would tawana Brawley be the better example?

Smellyman

Somebody lied once and so there is a connection here?

I guess it works as an example for every incident in the history of the world.

And from my chair and most sane chairs, Ford isn't lying.  Kavanaugh certainly has been.

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

I can't fathom how you would begin to compare Till to Kavanaugh.  Makes zero sense on any level.

It does to me. Woman claims something and fifty years later she admits that she is lying. Like I said, no one knows the truth except the two people in the room. 

This isn't a courtroom.

It is a (very important) job interview.

He has not been accused by only one woman.
He had proven to be lying in the hearing - she has not. 

Etc.

Get back from the planet of unsung, and enter reality.

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

I can't fathom how you would begin to compare Till to Kavanaugh.  Makes zero sense on any level.

It does to me. Woman claims something and fifty years later she admits that she is lying. Like I said, no one knows the truth except the two people in the room. 

This isn't a courtroom.

It is a (very important) job interview.

He has not been accused by only one woman.
He had proven to be lying in the hearing - she has not. 

Etc.

Get back from the planet of unsung, and enter reality.

I'm really impressed that you didn't respond with a kiss meme or some odd poll.  good on you.

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

unsung said:

#believeallwomen


It is that absurd.

Damn. Good call. 

I'm lost here, guys.  What does this mean?

Emitt till was killed in money, Mississippi because he either whistled or said something like “see you later baby” at a white woman.  She told her husband and he killed emitt.  Turns out the lady made the whole thing up. 

Thanks, McG!  Yeah, right, like the Dylan song.  (My memory is not so good these days.)

Not sure what that incident has to do with Kavanaugh though.  

Nothing. The analysis is at the level of “some woman once said something that wasn’t true, so you can’t believe any of them” 
 

It s an example. Why is this so hard to comprehend? It happens. The effects of till s murder on the civil rights movement are very similar to the implications on the Supreme Court. Ms Bryant lied for fifty years, who knows what the truth is with Kavanaugh?  Like I said before, would tawana Brawley be the better example?

We all understand it’s an example. It just happens to be an irrelevant one, because the circumstances are so completely different. 

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

I can't fathom how you would begin to compare Till to Kavanaugh.  Makes zero sense on any level.

It does to me. Woman claims something and fifty years later she admits that she is lying. Like I said, no one knows the truth except the two people in the room. 

you mean three people, right?

brianlux

Take them one case at a time.  Gather the information, maybe give a lie detector test, go to court, make a determination.  Why complicate the situation?  Why make assumptions?  Get the facts.  Make a judgement.  If guilty, apply appropriate punishment and make an example of inappropriate behavior.  Men, be cool, set a good example, treat women as equals.  Women, be truthful, don't fabricate bullshit.

Damn, this is such a crazy mixed up world.  Maybe that's what make's my head spin? (Sure wish I had an answer to that vexing issue.  Sorry- I know,  it's not all about me.)

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Mr Bryant listened to his wife. He killed emmit till. Turns out she made the whole thing up. Why is unsung wrong?i think it is a good analogy. 

So every false accusation trumps a real one?  Is there a tally sheet somewhere? Did all the children accusing the priests lying? They must be using your logic. 

His wife didn't testify,  didn't raise her hand. Didn't sit in front of the whole country while it watched.  How about using some critical thinking?

Bud my take on this whole thing is this: my liberal friends think she is telling the truth. My conservative friends think that she is lying. The only two people who really know what happened are the two of them, the rest of us don’t know shit. 

That's all well and good,  but comparing Till to Kavanaugh is outrageous.  If one can't distinguish the difference between telling your spouse something and testifying under oath,  with the world watching,  then one must be deliberately obtuse. 

And this reminds me why I don't post here anymore.  God forbid you have a different opinion and the entire forum pounces on you.  Have a great day. 

I can't fathom how you would begin to compare Till to Kavanaugh.  Makes zero sense on any level.

It does to me. Woman claims something and fifty years later she admits that she is lying. Like I said, no one knows the truth except the two people in the room. 

This isn't a courtroom.

It is a (very important) job interview.

He has not been accused by only one woman.
He had proven to be lying in the hearing - she has not. 

Etc.

Get back from the planet of unsung, and enter reality.

I'm really impressed that you didn't respond with a kiss meme or some odd poll.  good on you.

I have never responded with a "kiss meme" on this board.

CM189191

unsung said:

#believeallwomen


It is that absurd.

Never miss an opportunity to give the old dog whistle a blow, huh?