1) The Dems clearly held onto this until late in the game for political reasons 2) the republicans clearly don’t want an investigation due to political reasons.
Both of those suck.
If the repubkicans had had any morals it wouldn’t have mattered when it came up. If the Dems has any morals they would have shared quicker. But neither do. And still none of that matters. A Supreme Court nominee was accused of sexual assault. An investigation should occur...talking to as many witnesses as possible and then that info presented. Thankfully it seem we will at least get an investigation, but the lack or true morals from anyone on the senate committee make sure me think it won’t matter
That is exactly what happened. It could have come out 6 weeks ago, but instead was just "leaked" (by friends of Ford, who didnt even have the letter, according to democrats) but they wanted to intentionally wait until now. it has all be calculated. And none of it calculated to get to the truth, but to get the next nominee.
Hey, I’d be happy to tell you about the years I volunteered at a women’s shelter, sat on their board of directors and was their president for one year. I’d be happy to tell you about the work I do now with women involved in the sex trade. However, given your brainless, douchey post above I suspect it wouldn’t make any difference.
And that is awesome for you sir (or ma'am)! My consensus remains that most in here who "give a shit" for the victim only "give a shit" through their keyboard and because politics.
It’s always a moving target, isn’t it? Bullshit gets called and you slide on to something else.
You're right. I do not know why I even came in this thread. I will move on. Seriously, kudos to you for taking action whenever you did and serving your community!
Here is what I know. I was a victim of sexual assault by family members. My wife was a victim of sexual assault in high school. "How we choose to feel, is how we are" and we both feel fuckin awesome! We have a wonderful life!
Best of luck to all of you in the future and I hope the result comes from this that unifies our country, rather than further divide it!
So, what excuses you all cooking up for when the FBI investigation doesn't agree with you?
And so nobody thinks that's a slanted question, I'm asking both sides.
I think he shouldn't be on the supreme court because he's a partisan hack and he lies under oath, I've been very consistent about that. An investigation by the FBI can't change those things.
^^^ This. You want to argue about whether or not Dr. Ford was assaulted? Okay; if you (hypothetical "you" here, not ascribing anything to Edson) need "evidence" that a woman was held down against her will 36 years ago, that's going to be hard to produce. But Kavanaugh has lied, clumsily, repeatedly, to the Senate. That's pretty freaking obvious, and that's not okay.
Yes, I would prefer to have Merrick Garland on the Court. But this goes beyond politics, just as it did with Agent Orange, to the matter of fundamental fitness for the job. Looking at what we've seen of his character, Kavanaugh pretty obviously lacks that fitness. Chief Justice Roberts is no liberal, but I've heard no rumor, no reason to doubt his character or his fitness for the role. So I don't get angry when I see him on my TV, and I don't find myself unable to sleep knowing that he's on the Court.
So if, somehow, Kavanaugh is not confirmed, I fully expect that another conservative judge will be put forth --- and this time, he (it won't be a woman, I expect) will be much more thoroughly vetted. And I'll just hope that he's a sober, reasonable person.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
So, what excuses you all cooking up for when the FBI investigation doesn't agree with you?
And so nobody thinks that's a slanted question, I'm asking both sides.
The FBI investigation is obviously not going to go "my way." Investigating a 35-year-old alleged incident that would have been he said/she said from Day 1? Please. The only way it could go my way is if someone finds a 35-year-old with the DNA of Kavanaugh and one of his accusers.
We'll never know. So given all that's gone on...to the victors go the spoils. It this is the guy the GOP wants, go for it.
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So, what excuses you all cooking up for when the FBI investigation doesn't agree with you?
And so nobody thinks that's a slanted question, I'm asking both sides.
I think he shouldn't be on the supreme court because he's a partisan hack and he lies under oath, I've been very consistent about that. An investigation by the FBI can't change those things.
^^^ This. You want to argue about whether or not Dr. Ford was assaulted? Okay; if you (hypothetical "you" here, not ascribing anything to Edson) need "evidence" that a woman was held down against her will 36 years ago, that's going to be hard to produce. But Kavanaugh has lied, clumsily, repeatedly, to the Senate. That's pretty freaking obvious, and that's not okay.
Yes, I would prefer to have Merrick Garland on the Court. But this goes beyond politics, just as it did with Agent Orange, to the matter of fundamental fitness for the job. Looking at what we've seen of his character, Kavanaugh pretty obviously lacks that fitness. Chief Justice Roberts is no liberal, but I've heard no rumor, no reason to doubt his character or his fitness for the role. So I don't get angry when I see him on my TV, and I don't find myself unable to sleep knowing that he's on the Court.
So if, somehow, Kavanaugh is not confirmed, I fully expect that another conservative judge will be put forth --- and this time, he (it won't be a woman, I expect) will be much more thoroughly vetted. And I'll just hope that he's a sober, reasonable person.
That's not a thing anymore in federal government.
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1) The Dems clearly held onto this until late in the game for political reasons 2) the republicans clearly don’t want an investigation due to political reasons.
Both of those suck.
If the repubkicans had had any morals it wouldn’t have mattered when it came up. If the Dems has any morals they would have shared quicker. But neither do. And still none of that matters. A Supreme Court nominee was accused of sexual assault. An investigation should occur...talking to as many witnesses as possible and then that info presented. Thankfully it seem we will at least get an investigation, but the lack or true morals from anyone on the senate committee make sure me think it won’t matter
Shared what? Didn't Ford not want it out -- and the democrat(s) agreed to that.
I doubt that was for political reasons, but being decent.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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So, what excuses you all cooking up for when the FBI investigation doesn't agree with you?
And so nobody thinks that's a slanted question, I'm asking both sides.
given he's already been voted out of committee to a full floor vote, it seems rather useless at this point regardless of any potential findings. Does the entire Senate get a copy of whatever might be determined?
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breaking news the FBI will be investigating the allegations before full Senate vote. Should be interesting. I guess it all comes down to what Judge says.
Couldn't they also get information to paint a picture of Brett that doesn't align with what he has said in the hearings?
Wouldn't that be reason to not appoint? If he has lied.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
breaking news the FBI will be investigating the allegations before full Senate vote. Should be interesting. I guess it all comes down to what Judge says.
Couldn't they also get information to paint a picture of Brett that doesn't align with what he has said in the hearings?
Wouldn't that be reason to not appoint? If he has lied.
In theory. But no. He believes that Trump, unlike Clinton, is above the law. That's what matters to the entire party.
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So, what excuses you all cooking up for when the FBI investigation doesn't agree with you?
And so nobody thinks that's a slanted question, I'm asking both sides.
I think he shouldn't be on the supreme court because he's a partisan hack and he lies under oath, I've been very consistent about that. An investigation by the FBI can't change those things.
^^^ This. You want to argue about whether or not Dr. Ford was assaulted? Okay; if you (hypothetical "you" here, not ascribing anything to Edson) need "evidence" that a woman was held down against her will 36 years ago, that's going to be hard to produce. But Kavanaugh has lied, clumsily, repeatedly, to the Senate. That's pretty freaking obvious, and that's not okay.
Yes, I would prefer to have Merrick Garland on the Court. But this goes beyond politics, just as it did with Agent Orange, to the matter of fundamental fitness for the job. Looking at what we've seen of his character, Kavanaugh pretty obviously lacks that fitness. Chief Justice Roberts is no liberal, but I've heard no rumor, no reason to doubt his character or his fitness for the role. So I don't get angry when I see him on my TV, and I don't find myself unable to sleep knowing that he's on the Court.
So if, somehow, Kavanaugh is not confirmed, I fully expect that another conservative judge will be put forth --- and this time, he (it won't be a woman, I expect) will be much more thoroughly vetted. And I'll just hope that he's a sober, reasonable person.
That's not a thing anymore in federal government.
But I refuse to lower my standards.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
There was something unsettling about Thursday's hearing.
It's that thin line between news and exploitation, between journalism and entertainment.
Tune in, and watch people squirm as their lives and reputations are ruined. Stay with us, as we ruminate about it all night and day tomorrow.
And here is where other thin lines are crossed. The line between passion and performance. The line between making salient points and posturing. Is that authentic outrage Senators Graham and Booker, or are you just playing the cameras?
Senator Graham, with all due respect, could you stop the finger-pointing and dial back the shrill-meter?
These performances undermined the gravity of the situation. Christine Ford's pain shouldn't be used a Democratic campaign speech. Nor should the Republicans use it to accuse the Democrats of political gamesmanship.
But because of the hyper-partisanship that has this nation by the throat, that is exactly what happened.
In my view, she was victimized by both sides.
What we saw Thursday were two vulnerable human beings, yanked like a rope in a tug of war by the politicians, and then have their every word and facial expression dissected by the television talking heads.
I hope audiences everywhere didn't lose sight of that, even as they dig in on their respective sides.
But these days in politics and on the networks, inciting anger seems to have obliterated empathy. That line hasn't just been blurred. It's been erased.
1) The Dems clearly held onto this until late in the game for political reasons 2) the republicans clearly don’t want an investigation due to political reasons.
Both of those suck.
If the repubkicans had had any morals it wouldn’t have mattered when it came up. If the Dems has any morals they would have shared quicker. But neither do. And still none of that matters. A Supreme Court nominee was accused of sexual assault. An investigation should occur...talking to as many witnesses as possible and then that info presented. Thankfully it seem we will at least get an investigation, but the lack or true morals from anyone on the senate committee make sure me think it won’t matter
Shared what? Didn't Ford not want it out -- and the democrat(s) agreed to that.
I doubt that was for political reasons, but being decent.
1) The Dems clearly held onto this until late in the game for political reasons 2) the republicans clearly don’t want an investigation due to political reasons.
Both of those suck.
If the repubkicans had had any morals it wouldn’t have mattered when it came up. If the Dems has any morals they would have shared quicker. But neither do. And still none of that matters. A Supreme Court nominee was accused of sexual assault. An investigation should occur...talking to as many witnesses as possible and then that info presented. Thankfully it seem we will at least get an investigation, but the lack or true morals from anyone on the senate committee make sure me think it won’t matter
Shared what? Didn't Ford not want it out -- and the democrat(s) agreed to that.
I doubt that was for political reasons, but being decent.
Sure.
Exactly.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I have never said that but I will let you in on a little secret, when credible allegations are made, usually the accused party is guilty. And that includes most presidents.
Also, if someone doesn't want an investigation when they have been credibly accused, does that make you suspicious?
Credible allegations... Crime over 30 years old - Check Time - Not sure Place - Not sure How victim arrived and left - Unknown 4 witnesses who said her story isn't true - Check
GUILTY.
you mean 4 witnesses who claim they cant recall. which is different than claiming it didnt happen.
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I have never said that but I will let you in on a little secret, when credible allegations are made, usually the accused party is guilty. And that includes most presidents.
Also, if someone doesn't want an investigation when they have been credibly accused, does that make you suspicious?
Credible allegations... Crime over 30 years old - Check Time - Not sure Place - Not sure How victim arrived and left - Unknown 4 witnesses who said her story isn't true - Check
GUILTY.
you mean 4 witnesses who claim they cant recall. which is different than claiming it didnt happen.
You mean 4 witnesses who have not testified under oath or spoke to the FBI.
Those aren't "witnesses" until they do.
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it has all be calculated. And none of it calculated to get to the truth, but to get the next nominee.
Here is what I know. I was a victim of sexual assault by family members. My wife was a victim of sexual assault in high school. "How we choose to feel, is how we are" and we both feel fuckin awesome! We have a wonderful life!
Best of luck to all of you in the future and I hope the result comes from this that unifies our country, rather than further divide it!
Hampton 2016
We'll never know. So given all that's gone on...to the victors go the spoils. It this is the guy the GOP wants, go for it.
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I doubt that was for political reasons, but being decent.
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Wouldn't that be reason to not appoint? If he has lied.
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Read the whole article here: https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/09/the_kavanaugh_hearings_showed_politicians_and_the.html
There was something unsettling about Thursday's hearing.
It's that thin line between news and exploitation, between journalism and entertainment.
Tune in, and watch people squirm as their lives and reputations are ruined. Stay with us, as we ruminate about it all night and day tomorrow.
And here is where other thin lines are crossed. The line between passion and performance. The line between making salient points and posturing. Is that authentic outrage Senators Graham and Booker, or are you just playing the cameras?
Senator Whitehouse, did you really need to ask a Supreme Court nominee the meaning of "Ralph" inscribed by another teenager in his high school yearbook?
Senator Graham, with all due respect, could you stop the finger-pointing and dial back the shrill-meter?
These performances undermined the gravity of the situation. Christine Ford's pain shouldn't be used a Democratic campaign speech. Nor should the Republicans use it to accuse the Democrats of political gamesmanship.
But because of the hyper-partisanship that has this nation by the throat, that is exactly what happened.
In my view, she was victimized by both sides.
What we saw Thursday were two vulnerable human beings, yanked like a rope in a tug of war by the politicians, and then have their every word and facial expression dissected by the television talking heads.
I hope audiences everywhere didn't lose sight of that, even as they dig in on their respective sides.
But these days in politics and on the networks, inciting anger seems to have obliterated empathy. That line hasn't just been blurred. It's been erased.
Exactly.
civilization is doomed lol
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Those aren't "witnesses" until they do.
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