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There is NO place for religion in politics and government.mace1229 said:
So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.Bentleyspop said:
His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.mace1229 said:
2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.Bentleyspop said:As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....
1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law
4. Just don't trust him
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?
Maybe I should have said religious conservative
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?
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For me, someone who is deeply religious is going to put their particular brand of mythology ahead of reason, and law. A jurist needs to weigh facts without emotion. A religionist doesn't require facts, and will accept "faith" or "belief" as sufficient "proof". After all, the Bible will lead one to eternal salvation in a way that the Constitution cannot. I don't believe religionists shouldn't be deciding secular/legal matters.Bentleyspop said:
His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.mace1229 said:
2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.Bentleyspop said:As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....
1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law
4. Just don't trust him
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?
Maybe I should have said religious conservative
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When politicians and lawmakers justify their decisions and actions by referring to the bible or to Christian principles, I have a big issue with it. The job of those in the legal realm is to uphold the law and advance justice, not to bring their personal beliefs into their decisions. Christians in office have referred to religion to justify not just anti-choice stances, but also stances on contraception, end of life care/assisted suicide, and other decisions.mace1229 said:
So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.Bentleyspop said:
His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.mace1229 said:
2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.Bentleyspop said:As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....
1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law
4. Just don't trust him
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?
Maybe I should have said religious conservative
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747150/sen-whitehouse-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-1
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They also place God before the citizens. I.e. many of them think that God placed them in their government position (even GWB believed that) ... That necessarily means that they answer to God/their faith before they answer to the Constitution (Charter of Rights, etc), and citizens/voters and their rights, which is completely backwards, obviously.oftenreading said:
When politicians and lawmakers justify their decisions and actions by referring to the bible or to Christian principles, I have a big issue with it. The job of those in the legal realm is to uphold the law and advance justice, not to bring their personal beliefs into their decisions. Christians in office have referred to religion to justify not just anti-choice stances, but also stances on contraception, end of life care/assisted suicide, and other decisions.mace1229 said:
So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.Bentleyspop said:
His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.mace1229 said:
2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.Bentleyspop said:As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....
1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law
4. Just don't trust him
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?
Maybe I should have said religious conservative
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?
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Exactlyoftenreading said:
When politicians and lawmakers justify their decisions and actions by referring to the bible or to Christian principles, I have a big issue with it. The job of those in the legal realm is to uphold the law and advance justice, not to bring their personal beliefs into their decisions. Christians in office have referred to religion to justify not just anti-choice stances, but also stances on contraception, end of life care/assisted suicide, and other decisions.mace1229 said:
So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.Bentleyspop said:
His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.mace1229 said:
2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.Bentleyspop said:As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....
1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law
4. Just don't trust him
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?
Maybe I should have said religious conservative
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?
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Buh, buh, buh Hillary.Halifax2TheMax said:https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747150/sen-whitehouse-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-1
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Quoting yourself??Halifax2TheMax said:
Buh, buh, buh Hillary.Halifax2TheMax said:https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747150/sen-whitehouse-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-1
Put your headphones on and listen.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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So the allegations are relevant now because he is nominated for SCOTUS, but didn’t matter for any of his previous appointments or jobs. Got it.Gern Blansten said:
Anyone being honest would say that they would have no idea if the allegations were true. To say otherwise is ignorant.unsung said:Ignorance would imply that my knowledge on the subject was lacking. I however posted exact truth.
The personal attack on me is what is ignorant.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487I am Catholic but the Church has many huge problems right now. Abusers need to be held accountable and need to be investigated. This Pope should resign.0
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unsung said:
So the allegations are relevant now because he is nominated for SCOTUS, but didn’t matter for any of his previous appointments or jobs. Got it.Gern Blansten said:
Anyone being honest would say that they would have no idea if the allegations were true. To say otherwise is ignorant.unsung said:Ignorance would imply that my knowledge on the subject was lacking. I however posted exact truth.
The personal attack on me is what is ignorant.I would think they would be relevant at any point. It just so happens that the allegation was made public now and not before. Some would consider that convenient, but I disagree. I imagine that many of the accusations that come out when someone is entering into a particular position of power because the accuser realizes that they can't allow that person to achieve that level of power without people knowing about just what kind of man he is.I was seriously sexually harassed by someone at work in the past, and my accusations were shrugged off and ignored in a really, really fucked up way by management. If I saw that man who sexually harassed me run for office now, I'd be very tempted to come out with that story just to warn the public about what kind of man he is.... And since those managers would likely deny it to cover their asses for the appalling why they dealt with my complaint, and since people would decide that the timing was "suspicious", my harasser would almost certainly be labelled a victim of the #metoo movement, and I would be dragged through the mud by tons of people, including my abuser. This situation happens EASILY.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Rather than edit it, which I can do if you so prefer?cincybearcat said:
Quoting yourself??Halifax2TheMax said:
Buh, buh, buh Hillary.Halifax2TheMax said:https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747150/sen-whitehouse-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-1
Put your headphones on and listen.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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They should just lose tax free status unless all leadership resigns. This was a huge problem before this pope and it will be after this pope if the church doesn't make huge changes. The 2 changes that would make this issue go away fastest?unsung said:I am Catholic but the Church has many huge problems right now. Abusers need to be held accountable and need to be investigated. This Pope should resign.
1) Allow female priests
2) allow priests to marry
Would get a lot different person entering the priesthood...raise the game.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Edit to add that?Halifax2TheMax said:
Rather than edit it, which I can do if you so prefer?cincybearcat said:
Quoting yourself??Halifax2TheMax said:
Buh, buh, buh Hillary.Halifax2TheMax said:https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747150/sen-whitehouse-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-1
Put your headphones on and listen.
I just thought it was funny.
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I agree with the tax status. Not sold on the other two. Our last main Priest was actually married. I’d be more open to that than #1.cincybearcat said:
They should just lose tax free status unless all leadership resigns. This was a huge problem before this pope and it will be after this pope if the church doesn't make huge changes. The 2 changes that would make this issue go away fastest?unsung said:I am Catholic but the Church has many huge problems right now. Abusers need to be held accountable and need to be investigated. This Pope should resign.
1) Allow female priests
2) allow priests to marry
Would get a lot different person entering the priesthood...raise the game.0 -
Listen tot he questioning by Senator Whitehouse. Here's another one.cincybearcat said:
Edit to add that?Halifax2TheMax said:
Rather than edit it, which I can do if you so prefer?cincybearcat said:
Quoting yourself??Halifax2TheMax said:
Buh, buh, buh Hillary.Halifax2TheMax said:https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747150/sen-whitehouse-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-1
Put your headphones on and listen.
I just thought it was funny.
https://www.facebook.com/SenatorWhitehouse/videos/kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-day-3/607453896316484/
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Interesting. No way they can move forward with a vote now is there?dignin said:hippiemom = goodness0 -
separation of church and state. simple as that.mace1229 said:
So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.Bentleyspop said:
His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.mace1229 said:
2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.Bentleyspop said:As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....
1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law
4. Just don't trust him
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?
Maybe I should have said religious conservative
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
why no female priests?unsung said:
I agree with the tax status. Not sold on the other two. Our last main Priest was actually married. I’d be more open to that than #1.cincybearcat said:
They should just lose tax free status unless all leadership resigns. This was a huge problem before this pope and it will be after this pope if the church doesn't make huge changes. The 2 changes that would make this issue go away fastest?unsung said:I am Catholic but the Church has many huge problems right now. Abusers need to be held accountable and need to be investigated. This Pope should resign.
1) Allow female priests
2) allow priests to marry
Would get a lot different person entering the priesthood...raise the game.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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