** The Swedish Election - Sep 9 **

Meltdown99

Politics is all about power and money in any country ... the people are secondary...

Spiritual_Chaos

The Alliance is holding a press conference right now.

EDIT: Nothing new said. Waiting for The Social Democrats comment on it. 

I'm starting to think that The Alliance parties rhetoric of equating The Left Party to the The Sweden Democrats pre-election will be a way to defend them agreeing to support by The Sweden Democrats when The Social Democrats go to The Left Party. 

And should be noted that The Left party is not an extreme party or anything. But right-winged politicians have lumped them together with The Sweden Democrats lately when talking as "both sides of the extreme". 

Former Minister of Justice Thomas Bodström, believes that in the end The Christian Democrats and The Moderates will form a government with the backing of The Swedish Democrats - and The Center Party and The Liberals will not officially be part of the government, to save face (due to them saying they would never rely on the support of SD), but be supporting parties to that government. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Here is the The Swedish Democrats Mattias Karlsson's post-election analysis in social media:

"Our opponents have really forced us into an existential struggle for the survival of our culture and our nation," he writes on Facebook.

Now there are only two choices, he considers: "Victory or Death".

Spiritual_Chaos

The Prime Minister Stefan Löfven is holding a press conference, as a response to The Alliance press conference held earlier today:

- There are many who talk about the humility that is required, humility for me is about waiting for the final election results," says Löfven.

- It is now said that the mandate distribution in parliament as elected by the electorate does not determine government formation," says Löfven, saying it is undemocratic and illogical that the right-winged block (The Alliance) should rule when they are smaller than the red-green.

- I understand that the Swedish people see this as absurd, it is a sign of block-politics making things dumver. that's why it has to be buried, all other options are being paralyzed, "says Löfven.

- The negotiations will not work if they are strictly between the blocks, negotiations must be done between parties, we have to put the game aside and act for Sweden's well. Swedish democracy is robust and goes its way.

- He finds it strange that the Alliance does not see that the S + MP, supported by V, is a viable government alternative.

- If we are to stick to the block politics, it can not be the smaller alternative that forms government," repeats Stefan Löfven.

- Stefan Löfven is clear that S will not be a backing party for the Alliance.

Spiritual_Chaos

So, for everyone keeping track. 

The speaker will have four tries to get a government elected in parliament, after that a new election must be held.

The Allience (143 seats) say they will try, and has invited The Social Democrats for talks on supporting them. This has been turned down, and that was expected.

The Social Democrats together with The Green Party (the present government) with support by the Left Party (144 seats) has invited parties of The Allience to talks. The Parties has declined this, and do not want to break up The Allience (yet).

The Swedish Democrats (62 seats) are shut out of the discussion - presently. 

So it will be hard for either block to pass a government through parliament. 

So, something else will have to be worked. People are worried about The Christian Democrats and The Moderates forming a government, with support from The Swedish Democrats and their The Allience-party friends.

Spiritual_Chaos

An american (living in Sweden) does a quiz to see what Swedish party he falls in line with, and should vote for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHUKTpiqRVg

lastexitlondon

I love the sound of Swedish 

Spiritual_Chaos

lastexitlondon said:

I love the sound of Swedish 

Here's a comparison

ABBA - ring ring Swedish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKKjHSNeA2o

ABBA - ring ring English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HesPwmLeQ08

Spiritual_Chaos

lastexitlondon said:

I love the sound of Swedish 

Here's a cooler one:

English/Original - Bob Dylan - Tomorrow is a long time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fsELHFZKaU


Swedish translation - Joakim Thåström - Men bara om min älskade väntar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83c8cwoC4iY

lastexitlondon

Abba actually  sounds better in Swedish.  

Spiritual_Chaos

lastexitlondon said:

Abba actually  sounds better in Swedish.  

Haha, a swedish friend today said the exact opposite. Interesting. 

Waterloo sounds better in english. Ring Ring sounds google translated into english and I prefer the Swedish version.

PJ_Soul

So it seems to me that the whole Swedish anti-immigration explosion is the main issue in this election.... I've seen TONS of racist/xenophobic/anti-immigration sentiments coming out of Sweden for the past few years, and it's been concerning to me for a while. Of all countries, I thought Sweden would be able to find the common sense to avoid this, or, if not avoid the sentiments, to have the common sense to know that such sentiments won't be effectively answered by turning to super right wing politics. It makes me very sad... I've always considered the Swedes to be more enlightened than many other nationalities, and I think I was right.... until recently. It sucks to see nations like the USA and Sweden and many others moving backwards (including Canada), and it all really seems to boil down to people not having enough empathy or open-mindedness or patience to move forward with increasing diversity and whatever bumps may come in that road.

Spiritual_Chaos

The leader of The Moderats was given the task by the speaker of parliament to try to form a government. He has failed. Two of the parties in their little coalition "The Allience" don't have a problem with being supported by the racist party. Two of the parties refuse. 

So now the speaker will give former Prime Minister Stefan Löfven the chance to find a government solution.

Spiritual_Chaos

The Prime Minister has been given the chance to try to find a solution for a government.

Spiritual_Chaos

The Social Democrates (S) together with The Green Party (MP) (the former government) have reached a deal with The Centre Party (C) and The Liberals (L) - where S and Mp will stay in government but has made big concessions to please C and L - the biggest being less security for workers in favor of the employer and giving landlords the option to set whatever rent they want for new apartments (this has not been allowed in Sweden, having strong regulations to keep rents down).

This government needs to be backed by The Left Party (V) though to get through parliament -- and that is now the question. WIll they accept a government running which such right winged politics, and being shut out of the discussion and labeled an extremist party by the right winged parties? Better than a fully right winged option -- but still a shitty option.

Meltdown99

I'll stick with first past the post, thank you.  I like to know who my representation is and PM/Premier is going to be sometime shortly after the polls close.

Annafalk

I think I want V to say no to Löfven.

Spiritual_Chaos

Annafalk said:

I think I want V to say no to Löfven.

Yes. Put the pressure back on L and C  for the fourth and final try.

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

I'll stick with first past the post, thank you.  I like to know who my representation is and PM/Premier is going to be sometime shortly after the polls close.

Who doesn't like to know that?

Meltdown99

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Meltdown99 said:

I'll stick with first past the post, thank you.  I like to know who my representation is and PM/Premier is going to be sometime shortly after the polls close.

Who doesn't like to know that?

Apparently, Sweden if months after an election you are still trying to figure out the government.