Obstructed view for 10C seats at Fenway

mpedone

schmately said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess most people would consider having a pole in your face all night is not a "good seat". 

Season ticket holders get a presale option to purchase tix.  10C has the option to not sell garbage.  Period.  Personally, I'm not happy to "just be in the building" spending over $100/ticket for something that doesn't allow you to see and have horrible sound quality.  You could sit out on Landsdowne Street and watch a Periscope feed and get that wonderful experience for nothing.

Grandstand 7 is closer to the stage than Field Box 130, but GS7 has some obstructed view seats. Which seats do you give to lower numbers?

Dissidentman

thevachon said:

Heard that, mine were below sea level night one, but I still had a blast I just had to stand all night and rely on the screens. Still an amazing show and I was just stoked to be in the door.

Did you have dugout seats??

eeriepadave

cellophane_star said:

eeriepadave said:

Redrumh2o said:

Here are my 10C tickets not marked obsteucted......who can I complain to because I sure as hell am going to

was that from night 2?  I was right next to it.  in sect.95 row xx.  The two guys that were behind me that were obstructed by it, they weren't mad at all, they laughed about it and took it in good stride.

It was night 2. The people in front of us took it in stride 

yeah two guys? They took it lightly which was good in a way.

whofeelslikeadrank

why is this still a thing?

schmately

mpedone said:

schmately said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess most people would consider having a pole in your face all night is not a "good seat". 

Season ticket holders get a presale option to purchase tix.  10C has the option to not sell garbage.  Period.  Personally, I'm not happy to "just be in the building" spending over $100/ticket for something that doesn't allow you to see and have horrible sound quality.  You could sit out on Landsdowne Street and watch a Periscope feed and get that wonderful experience for nothing.

Grandstand 7 is closer to the stage than Field Box 130, but GS7 has some obstructed view seats. Which seats do you give to lower numbers?

When you buy Red Sox tickets (and other concerts) at Fenway, your tickets are specifically noted as obstructed or limited view.  This did not happen with 10c tickets.  If you like a pole in front of your face because your closer to still not seeing anything, god bless.  Me, no.

schmately

whofeelslikeadrank said:

why is this still a thing?

Because if it's not a thing, 10c will continue to do it.  Not all of us are lemmings who are just happy to be in the building.

eeriepadave

whofeelslikeadrank said:

why is this still a thing?

i'm sorry what would you like to talk about?

RatherStarved

10c clearly disclosed seats may be far back or high up.  That alone would be disappointing but not really something to complain about.  On the other hand to my knowledge there was no disclosure about major obstructions such as the pole someone showed in a photo on this thread.  In my opinion someone could legitimately have a complaint about that.  

Personally my biggest complaint is they did not play Unthought Known either night.  There's no way there are 60 better songs than that.  I'm sorry but I never heard of Buffalo Tom.  Did we really need two of that song or any of the other repeats and no UK.  I mean seriously how does that happen? Shows were still good and knowing what I know now I would do it all again but that was a major omission.  One fan's view.

whofeelslikeadrank

schmately said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

why is this still a thing?

Because if it's not a thing, 10c will continue to do it.  Not all of us are lemmings who are just happy to be in the building.

eeriepadave said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

why is this still a thing?

i'm sorry what would you like to talk about?

what does the band/10c owe any of us? let’s turn all of the ticketing back over to ticketmaster, should be a breeze for us all then. just gets old having to see complaints about everything that is PJ live.

merch situation sucks! ok, let’s park a trailer outside so the fans can get shit before the show. yet that still gets complaints.

set lists not diverse enough, too many repeats! ok, let’s do Charlottesville or Moline or Greensboro, etc, PLUS marathon performances. yet that still gets complaints.

soundboard recordings? check.
small town USA? check.
consistently on the road? check.
baseball stadiums? check.
Mike, picks please? check.

i get a complaint about an obstructed view, but who doesn’t know this is a possibility at ANY show? call me a lemming just happy to be in the building...but we are so fuckin’ lucky to be a part of a once in a generation fan base, it’s sick!

maybe i’m in the minority to just feel fortunate enough to be able to say that i was a part of something that my grandkids can look back on and say “fuck yea”? if so, i’m glad to be part of that group.

i’m sorry if i offended either of you, or anyone else with the snide comment, but we are pretty goddamn lucky to be a part of those guys’ artistic visions.

MD190661

If my seat was behind a pole on in a dugout I would have bitched and got myself a better seat. I've been upgraded many times by just talking to the right people before a show starts. One example is Tom Petty several years back in Oakland. View was fine, but the sound was terrible. They didn't have a speaker stack pointing to these seats. So after the warm up act I went to the usher people and complained. Had to talk to 3 different people to make my case, but they finally put me in much better seats.  Paying $250 a pair to have a pole in your face is completely unacceptable. There are always places staff can put you even in the most sold out show.

Big Bank Hank

kst said:

10c clearly disclosed seats may be far back or high up.  That alone would be disappointing but not really something to complain about.  On the other hand to my knowledge there was no disclosure about major obstructions such as the pole someone showed in a photo on this thread.  In my opinion someone could legitimately have a complaint about that.  

Personally my biggest complaint is they did not play Unthought Known either night.  There's no way there are 60 better songs than that.  I'm sorry but I never heard of Buffalo Tom.  Did we really need two of that song or any of the other repeats and no UK.  I mean seriously how does that happen? Shows were still good and knowing what I know now I would do it all again but that was a major omission.  One fan's view.

ugh! I have gotten Unthought Blown twice, the only song off of Backspacer in my 4 shows post the LP's 2009 release, and aside from Johnny Guitar it's my least favorite song on the album & yes I can come up with 60+ PJ songs better than UK, but whatever, hopefully you get it lots in the future, you can always camp out for 3 days next time and stand at the rail and let Eddie know how bad you want to hear it, EV really likes the song so you won't have to twist his arm too much to play it

RatherStarved

If one thing is certain, it is that I am not camping out for 3 days to do that.

pjl44

Big Bank Hank said:

kst said:

10c clearly disclosed seats may be far back or high up.  That alone would be disappointing but not really something to complain about.  On the other hand to my knowledge there was no disclosure about major obstructions such as the pole someone showed in a photo on this thread.  In my opinion someone could legitimately have a complaint about that.  

Personally my biggest complaint is they did not play Unthought Known either night.  There's no way there are 60 better songs than that.  I'm sorry but I never heard of Buffalo Tom.  Did we really need two of that song or any of the other repeats and no UK.  I mean seriously how does that happen? Shows were still good and knowing what I know now I would do it all again but that was a major omission.  One fan's view.

ugh! I have gotten Unthought Blown twice, the only song off of Backspacer in my 4 shows post the LP's 2009 release, and aside from Johnny Guitar it's my least favorite song on the album & yes I can come up with 60+ PJ songs better than UK, but whatever, hopefully you get it lots in the future, you can always camp out for 3 days next time and stand at the rail and let Eddie know how bad you want to hear it, EV really likes the song so you won't have to twist his arm too much to play it

This is the most needlessly aggressive response to someone liking a song that I've ever seen

Edit: Just re-read the original comment and that's pretty dick, too. You two deserve each other. I'm jumping on the positivity thread.

UpSideDown

Tickets were $225 a pair, therefore I can understand wanting/expecting a view.

HH140540

MayDay10 said:

No more silly baseball stadium shows

This!

Get_Right

$247 a pair.  The location of seats was known since July. Fenway is famous for the poles. If you have a high 10C number you had to know that this was a possibility.

josevolution

I crave for a smoked filled bar show , no screens no poles no turf just a small stage a couple of bars in the back and working bathrooms , fuck any stadium show I wouldn’t attend even if they played Citifield or Yankee stadium...this band lost its guts long time ago this is my own personal opinion..

PJForceofNature

josevolution said:

I crave for a smoked filled bar show , no screens no poles no turf just a small stage a couple of bars in the back and working bathrooms , fuck any stadium show I wouldn’t attend even if they played Citifield or Yankee stadium...this band lost its guts long time ago this is my own personal opinion..

I am with you on the stadium shows- I would never attend one. I am hoping and praying for arena shows next time around. I would love to have seen them on this last tour, but I knew I could never set foot in a stadium. :(

Kevinman

Obstructed view would suck.  Not sure how you can make an argument against this?  I’ve been behind stage at arena shows and did not have a problem...but I knew I bought those tix, a pole in front of me without knowing ahead of time, would really lessen the experience.

dingers

Get_Right said:

$247 a pair.  The location of seats was known since July. Fenway is famous for the poles. If you have a high 10C number you had to know that this was a possibility.

It shouldn't be a possibility for fan club people that's the issue. We pay a premium to be there and buy tickets blind, it's wrong that the fan club  members suffer this way when general release tickets are in this case, better located and locations known in advance. 

Sweetblue22

As a regular at Fenway for baseball games, I feel I'm pretty familiar with the seating and ticketing practices the Red Sox use. I believe that an obstruction warning is given for seats in which the view of the mound or batter is blocked by a pole. Another warning is is the seats are behind a walkway and there is foot traffic in view. (1st row or 2 of loges). That being said, no one should have had a ticket with an obstruction of the stage without being told first. There are sites that show obstruction lines from each seat in the park.  

Bentleyspop

I'm sure it's  been mentioned in this thread but I always tell people that if they go to a ticketed event and their is ANY sort of seat/view blockage they should  immediately go to customer service and ask to be relocated.
Their are always seats set aside for this reason. 

Get_Right

dingers said:

Get_Right said:

$247 a pair.  The location of seats was known since July. Fenway is famous for the poles. If you have a high 10C number you had to know that this was a possibility.

It shouldn't be a possibility for fan club people that's the issue. We pay a premium to be there and buy tickets blind, it's wrong that the fan club  members suffer this way when general release tickets are in this case, better located and locations known in advance. 

That is not the way it works. 10C negotiates to get certain sections and they they are allocated based on seniority in numerical order. They are not going to pick out a few seats in a row or a section that has been allotted to the 10C.

Just because you are in the fan club it does not mean that there is a no chance you could get stuck behind a pole at Fenway-same with Wrigley although I think there are fewer poles.  10C seats are not always the best in the house and they warned everyone that that seats would be spread all over the stadiums.  Caveat emptor and if you checked your seats on seat geek or whatever, you would have known about the pole.

epie

Poles can’t be moved but still wondering why nets couldn’t come down like at Safeco.

PJNB

epie said:

Poles can’t be moved but still wondering why nets couldn’t come down like at Safeco.

I thought I saw the infield nets up at Safeco or was that Wrigley.... 

RedMosquitoSmile28

PJNB said:

epie said:

Poles can’t be moved but still wondering why nets couldn’t come down like at Safeco.

I thought I saw the infield nets up at Safeco or was that Wrigley.... 

There weren't nets along the baselines at least at Safeco. I don't know about Wrigley. 

I was right by the dugout on the third base line at Fenway and the nets were noticeable when I first got there but didn't bother me at all during the show, probably much like it would be during a baseball game I assume. The only way they really still bother me is seeing them in some pictures I took, but I guess that's a mild complaint!

RatherStarved

pjl44 said:

Big Bank Hank said:

kst said:

10c clearly disclosed seats may be far back or high up.  That alone would be disappointing but not really something to complain about.  On the other hand to my knowledge there was no disclosure about major obstructions such as the pole someone showed in a photo on this thread.  In my opinion someone could legitimately have a complaint about that.  

Personally my biggest complaint is they did not play Unthought Known either night.  There's no way there are 60 better songs than that.  I'm sorry but I never heard of Buffalo Tom.  Did we really need two of that song or any of the other repeats and no UK.  I mean seriously how does that happen? Shows were still good and knowing what I know now I would do it all again but that was a major omission.  One fan's view.

ugh! I have gotten Unthought Blown twice, the only song off of Backspacer in my 4 shows post the LP's 2009 release, and aside from Johnny Guitar it's my least favorite song on the album & yes I can come up with 60+ PJ songs better than UK, but whatever, hopefully you get it lots in the future, you can always camp out for 3 days next time and stand at the rail and let Eddie know how bad you want to hear it, EV really likes the song so you won't have to twist his arm too much to play it

This is the most needlessly aggressive response to someone liking a song that I've ever seen

Edit: Just re-read the original comment and that's pretty dick, too. You two deserve each other. I'm jumping on the positivity thread.

Thanks for your comment.  I am sorry if you find me expressing my opinion not to your liking.  Not sure what's so positive about that.

mpedone

Get_Right said:

dingers said:

Get_Right said:

$247 a pair.  The location of seats was known since July. Fenway is famous for the poles. If you have a high 10C number you had to know that this was a possibility.

It shouldn't be a possibility for fan club people that's the issue. We pay a premium to be there and buy tickets blind, it's wrong that the fan club  members suffer this way when general release tickets are in this case, better located and locations known in advance. 

That is not the way it works. 10C negotiates to get certain sections and they they are allocated based on seniority in numerical order. They are not going to pick out a few seats in a row or a section that has been allotted to the 10C.

Just because you are in the fan club it does not mean that there is a no chance you could get stuck behind a pole at Fenway-same with Wrigley although I think there are fewer poles.  10C seats are not always the best in the house and they warned everyone that that seats would be spread all over the stadiums.  Caveat emptor and if you checked your seats on seat geek or whatever, you would have known about the pole.

Exactly! I think this is less about the 10Club screwing fans over and more about the fact that Fenway is a terrible place to watch... well, most things, really, but concerts especially. I doubt the 10C is going through each member number and assigning seats individually. I would imagine it's more along the lines of, "this section has X number seats, so the next X number of members get tickets in this section".

MisterEtake2

Kevinman said:

Obstructed view would suck.  Not sure how you can make an argument against this?  I’ve been behind stage at arena shows and did not have a problem...but I knew I bought those tix, a pole in front of me without knowing ahead of time, would really lessen the experience.

You gotta realize that there are people who are going to automatically defend the Ten Club and/or Pearl Jam no matter what they do.

mace1229

Has anyone complained to 10c and heard anything back?
I'd be curious. It is pretty standard to inform the ticket holder they have obstructed views before buying the ticket. Saying you may be far back and having an obstructed view are completely different things. I mean, I'd rather have a clean view from nose bleeds than site right behind the sound tent on the field.
Bad seats was fair game, obstructed view I think wasn't right, especially at $250 a pair.