Obstructed view for 10C seats at Fenway

cellophane_star

I plan to write 10 Club. Our ticket did say “obstructed view” but I’d like to know WHY 10 club would allow a paying fan club member to get these shitty seats in the first place. Like we pay extra annual and we don’t get a choice of location. Why wouldn’t they just black out these obviously undesirable spots (not to mention, this was quite far from the stage. I could see the screens but barely see the band)

Horse2345

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

No way those are seats for someone with a 98 membership, likely not even a 2003 membership.

cellophane_star

Horse2345 said:

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

No way those are seats for someone with a 98 membership, likely not even a 2003 membership.

More like someone who signed up last night. :( 

Horse2345

cellophane_star said:

Horse2345 said:

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

No way those are seats for someone with a 98 membership, likely not even a 2003 membership.

More like someone who signed up last night. :( 

I'd definitely write them, make sure they didnt screw up your member number or something.

danfmous1

similar seats to thevachon nt 1 only I'm standing and by the dugout. Halfway through the show though 10-15 more privileged folk walk from inside the dugout to the gates in front and block the screen as well.

Happened in the midst of Black. 

Mmanc06

 

jervin007

cellophane_star said:

I plan to write 10 Club. Our ticket did say “obstructed view” but I’d like to know WHY 10 club would allow a paying fan club member to get these shitty seats in the first place. Like we pay extra annual and we don’t get a choice of location. Why wouldn’t they just black out these obviously undesirable spots (not to mention, this was quite far from the stage. I could see the screens but barely see the band)

Was it through the verified fan presale or the 10club lottery? I know there was some confusion with that back when tickets went on sale 

mrk2

In the future, talk to the venue staff asap. The promoter is responsible for making sure that you can see from your purchased seat.

Local venue here has always LiveNation staff milling around, and offering people to switch seats if there's obstructions. For example, the Roger Waters show a couple of days ago had the screen going accross the floor blocking more views than expected. People got relocated to side-stage seats. I've had camera-cranes or speaker stacks blocking views even slightly and always got new seats or GA access due to that. 

LukinAtU

Blame the shitty stadium design. Time they update Fenway

mace1229

Horse2345 said:

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

No way those are seats for someone with a 98 membership, likely not even a 2003 membership.

Thought the same thing. I joined in '98. Didnt go to Fenway, but had good seats for Wrigley. Row 17 of reserved in front of Mike both nights (directly in front of Mike N2, and directly in front of jumbo TV N2, I was happy with both). But no way this person has been a member for more than a couple years to get those seats.
The announcement did say they would have some seats very far back, so that is fair. I don't think they warned anyone of abstructed views. That would suck, and is a fair complaint. 

I actually really enjoyed the ballpark show, I'd love to do it again. But I can imagine a different experience if I had bad seats.

Redrumh2o

Yes, I have only been a member a few years, but right behind a pole is obstructed view. There were plenty of obstructed view tickets available for $80 the day before the show. I had some nice production holds in my cart, but I had no idea I would be behind a pole, and would have eaten a full priced ticket anyways. Just disappointing 

Horse2345

cellophane_star said:

Let me preface this by saying we feel super fortunate to be seeing Pearl Jam in Boston. First show in 5 years and first even in this city. Not everyone is so lucky. And we will enjoy the show no matter what. 

But really... THIS is a 10 Club seat? This is supposed to be one of best seats in the house? 

20 years of 10C fees (in Canadian funds, no less). Feels like you could get better seats on general sale :(

Whats your membership numbers? Theres a thread listing peeps #s and where their seats were.

eeriepadave

Redrumh2o said:

Here are my 10C tickets not marked obsteucted......who can I complain to because I sure as hell am going to

was that from night 2?  I was right next to it.  in sect.95 row xx.  The two guys that were behind me that were obstructed by it, they weren't mad at all, they laughed about it and took it in good stride.

cellophane_star

Horse2345 said:

cellophane_star said:

Let me preface this by saying we feel super fortunate to be seeing Pearl Jam in Boston. First show in 5 years and first even in this city. Not everyone is so lucky. And we will enjoy the show no matter what. 

But really... THIS is a 10 Club seat? This is supposed to be one of best seats in the house? 

20 years of 10C fees (in Canadian funds, no less). Feels like you could get better seats on general sale :(

Whats your membership numbers? Theres a thread listing peeps #s and where their seats were.

We used my husband’s account and his is #295xxx

cellophane_star

eeriepadave said:

Redrumh2o said:

Here are my 10C tickets not marked obsteucted......who can I complain to because I sure as hell am going to

was that from night 2?  I was right next to it.  in sect.95 row xx.  The two guys that were behind me that were obstructed by it, they weren't mad at all, they laughed about it and took it in good stride.

It was night 2. The people in front of us took it in stride 

cellophane_star

jervin007 said:

cellophane_star said:

I plan to write 10 Club. Our ticket did say “obstructed view” but I’d like to know WHY 10 club would allow a paying fan club member to get these shitty seats in the first place. Like we pay extra annual and we don’t get a choice of location. Why wouldn’t they just black out these obviously undesirable spots (not to mention, this was quite far from the stage. I could see the screens but barely see the band)

Was it through the verified fan presale or the 10club lottery? I know there was some confusion with that back when tickets went on sale 

That’s a good question! I remember it being confusing at the time. Maybe it was the fan presale (but again WHY were these shit seats even in contention for a paying fan club member to receive?)

Lost In Ohio

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

The lotto is random...essentially, the same as always. The system in 2010 (order each show via the shop) was essentially random and the postcard system in 2003 was random.

The seat assignment, which is what I think you're referring to, is based off 10C membership number, the same as always.


The random part, where everyone seems to have difficulty understanding, is that once the window closes and everyone has their priority picks locked and the drawing happens...that is random, but it's essentially the same as it always has been.

Kevinman

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

Still seniority for seat location. 
If I remember correctly, back then was seniority for tickets in general, no lottery.

Big Bank Hank

it's because Fenway is freaking ancient, the Safeco shows were awesome, and sound amazing, was totally blown away by how good it was

Dr. Delight

cellophane_star said:

Horse2345 said:

cellophane_star said:

Let me preface this by saying we feel super fortunate to be seeing Pearl Jam in Boston. First show in 5 years and first even in this city. Not everyone is so lucky. And we will enjoy the show no matter what. 

But really... THIS is a 10 Club seat? This is supposed to be one of best seats in the house? 

20 years of 10C fees (in Canadian funds, no less). Feels like you could get better seats on general sale :(

Whats your membership numbers? Theres a thread listing peeps #s and where their seats were.

We used my husband’s account and his is #295xxx

#295xxx is nowhere near a 98 membership number.
Im guessing around 2003 or later.

CopperTom

Kevinman said:

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

Still seniority for seat location. 
If I remember correctly, back then was seniority for tickets in general, no lottery.

Seniority never played a role in obtaining tickets, only seat assignments.

Horse2345

cellophane_star said:

Horse2345 said:

cellophane_star said:

Let me preface this by saying we feel super fortunate to be seeing Pearl Jam in Boston. First show in 5 years and first even in this city. Not everyone is so lucky. And we will enjoy the show no matter what. 

But really... THIS is a 10 Club seat? This is supposed to be one of best seats in the house? 

20 years of 10C fees (in Canadian funds, no less). Feels like you could get better seats on general sale :(

Whats your membership numbers? Theres a thread listing peeps #s and where their seats were.

We used my husband’s account and his is #295xxx

Yea thats not a 98 number. Someone just said they were 253xxx and joined in 2001.

Kevinman

CopperTom said:

Kevinman said:

cellophane_star said:

Kevinman said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

in what year did your 10c membership lapse?

Yeah...20 years...doesn’t make sense?

My husband got his membership in 1998-ish and hasn’t let it lapse. Don’t they just randomly draw seats now anyway? When I got mine in 2003, I thought it went by seniority for seating but not anymore?

Still seniority for seat location. 
If I remember correctly, back then was seniority for tickets in general, no lottery.

Seniority never played a role in obtaining tickets, only seat assignments.

Foggy memory I guess.

mpedone

I've been thinking about this since the tickets were sent out. I think the 10 Club did what they could to get as many seats as possible. The issue is that Fenway has other groups who also need seats, like Red Sox season ticket holders and major sponsors. The Sox are not about to piss them off by giving them the obstructed view seats while the Ten Club takes all of the turf and field boxes. I also don't know that it's feasible (or even possible) for the Ten Club to sort through each section and make sure they're not giving anyone these seats. I would imagine it's pretty much automated.

And then there's the whole argument over what is a good seat and what isn't. I feel like even in regularly-shaped arenas, there is disagreement over what's a good seat, so, in a place like Fenway, with its irregularities and angles? Is just being closer better? You might be closer, but have a shit angle. Or, there might be a pole in front of you. Or, you might be at field level, and essentially at the back of the turf. You might be further away, but have a better sight line for the screens, if not the stage.

I'm not saying any of you sitting behind poles should not be upset - just trying to give the 10C the benefit of the doubt that they might not have had many options.

mace1229

mpedone said:

I've been thinking about this since the tickets were sent out. I think the 10 Club did what they could to get as many seats as possible. The issue is that Fenway has other groups who also need seats, like Red Sox season ticket holders and major sponsors. The Sox are not about to piss them off by giving them the obstructed view seats while the Ten Club takes all of the turf and field boxes. I also don't know that it's feasible (or even possible) for the Ten Club to sort through each section and make sure they're not giving anyone these seats. I would imagine it's pretty much automated.

And then there's the whole argument over what is a good seat and what isn't. I feel like even in regularly-shaped arenas, there is disagreement over what's a good seat, so, in a place like Fenway, with its irregularities and angles? Is just being closer better? You might be closer, but have a shit angle. Or, there might be a pole in front of you. Or, you might be at field level, and essentially at the back of the turf. You might be further away, but have a better sight line for the screens, if not the stage.

I'm not saying any of you sitting behind poles should not be upset - just trying to give the 10C the benefit of the doubt that they might not have had many options.

Do season ticket holders get seats to concerts? I didn't realize that, thought it was only baseball games.

schmately

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess most people would consider having a pole in your face all night is not a "good seat". 

Season ticket holders get a presale option to purchase tix.  10C has the option to not sell garbage.  Period.  Personally, I'm not happy to "just be in the building" spending over $100/ticket for something that doesn't allow you to see and have horrible sound quality.  You could sit out on Landsdowne Street and watch a Periscope feed and get that wonderful experience for nothing.

 

epie

I was in F75 for N2, row D at Fenway and got to watch the show through a big net.  I would have been fine with these seats if not for that.  In Seattle, all the nets were down but not in Boston.  I would think that 10c would investigate something like this prior to assigning our seats to see whether or not the ballpark can take the nets down (would love an explanation as to why this could happen at Seattle but not Fenway) . Hopefully some lessons learned for the next time they come back to Fenway.  

evenflow82

I was happy with Safeco, but understand the frustration with a 100 year old venue.

mace1229

schmately said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess most people would consider having a pole in your face all night is not a "good seat". 

Season ticket holders get a presale option to purchase tix.  10C has the option to not sell garbage.  Period.  Personally, I'm not happy to "just be in the building" spending over $100/ticket for something that doesn't allow you to see and have horrible sound quality.  You could sit out on Landsdowne Street and watch a Periscope feed and get that wonderful experience for nothing.

 

You're right, they don't have to sell garbage seats.
I think part of the issue was they weren't clear that some eats may be obstructed views. And when they said they got some seats farther back than ever before to accommodate more fans, I guess many didn't expect it to be as bad as it was.
I think it is a pretty safe assumption that they don't have rights to all field or good seats, otherwise they would. They tried to meet the higher demand and it didn't work for everyone. I'm guessing if they do this again many fans with high numbers won't put in for tickets and just gamble with what they get in the public sale.
Many fans didn't realize how far back they meant, and they did not say anything about obstructed views. I would be very upset if I had an obstructed view, but just plain bad seats (far back) I dont think anyone should complain about.

Get_Right

1998 should put you on the turf in a b section