I'd love to see one small items/poster express line. No apparel. Just things that either you want or don't - posters, stickers, cards, etc. Faster restocking because the focus of that line would be a limited set of items. No waiting behind someone trying on things, faster movement of the general line, and most poster fans (and at worst casual flippers vs $1,000+ order flippers) will get their stuff quicker.
Not to keep harping on Fenway, but the super long order person wasn't really a problem. Once you got to the front of the line, someone was there to help direct you to the next available staff member. There was no risk of choosing the wrong line - turnover was pretty constant. Seems to be the best way to manage this issue.
Side note: the person next to me in line got turned away for a Faile poster because they were out at the time. The lines inside hadn’t been opened 15 minutes. They were all being restocked as they went, but he didn’t get a Faile because it was out at the time.
This is a problem and really shitty. When I was waiting for merch in Boston in 2016 the same thing happened with The Catch. They sold out about 20 people ahead of me and then by the time I got up they had restocked.
If they know they have more coming they should accommodate people who have waited hours and don’t get what they want simply because of bad timing.
This is another reason I am not waiting in line. Too many uncertainties. I would love to have two BK posters -- one for myself and one for the fund raiser/contest we are in (I committed to providing a poster from Seattle to the pool) but I cannot abide standing in line for a long time and having something like this happen. I would, foolishly, let that rain on my parade. F it. I am there to enjoy the people,the place, and the band...if I get lucky and someone grabs 1 for me, great. Otherwise I will overpay after for the 1 that I committed to providing and somewhere down the road will hunt/trade for 1 for my own wall.
Just sell the darn things as options when we buy tickets! (Please)
Just get them on the 10c drop, got to think they won't be insta sell outs
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Side note: the person next to me in line got turned away for a Faile poster because they were out at the time. The lines inside hadn’t been opened 15 minutes. They were all being restocked as they went, but he didn’t get a Faile because it was out at the time.
This is a problem and really shitty. When I was waiting for merch in Boston in 2016 the same thing happened with The Catch. They sold out about 20 people ahead of me and then by the time I got up they had restocked.
If they know they have more coming they should accommodate people who have waited hours and don’t get what they want simply because of bad timing.
This is another reason I am not waiting in line. Too many uncertainties. I would love to have two BK posters -- one for myself and one for the fund raiser/contest we are in (I committed to providing a poster from Seattle to the pool) but I cannot abide standing in line for a long time and having something like this happen. I would, foolishly, let that rain on my parade. F it. I am there to enjoy the people,the place, and the band...if I get lucky and someone grabs 1 for me, great. Otherwise I will overpay after for the 1 that I committed to providing and somewhere down the road will hunt/trade for 1 for my own wall.
Just sell the darn things as options when we buy tickets! (Please)
Just get them on the 10c drop, got to think they won't be insta sell outs
Hi there - yeah, not a bad idea, but I dont know about the insta sell outs.
One friendly soul is happy to grab one for me if they have one when he goes through the line.
This is all just insane. 5 days of merch sales for two 3 hours concerts....... people waited in line longer than the actual show!!! For merch!!! i get a little bit wanting first row but a poster? Hat?
The popularity for merch is crazy and that a band almost 30 years into their careers is still crazy popular. But I get peoples desire to have a poster/hat/shirt/ephemera. Especially since they don't play many shows any more and that the merch is generally show exclusive.
Not to keep harping on Fenway, but the super long order person wasn't really a problem. Once you got to the front of the line, someone was there to help direct you to the next available staff member. There was no risk of choosing the wrong line - turnover was pretty constant. Seems to be the best way to manage this issue.
I experienced that as well. The staff kept things moving along
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As said above, Fenway 2016 was very well organized in my opinion. Multiple set ups, multiple times. I basically walked right up at one point and everything was available except the catch poster.
Hopefully they fix some of the bullshit today.. I'm heading down about 11 to "work from line." Hoping it goes better than yesterday with the combo of no Mariners game and it being a work day.
I definitely want 1 poster but may have to wait and see and possibly pay double online vs losing out on 3 hours of Seattle time (it's a vacation for me). It's not worth my blood boiling watching people buy 5 bags of stuff. I can't help but picture a Portlandia skit in my head where Fred and Carrie wait in line 6 hours to buy $5k worth of merch, miss the show for it, and then get home to see it's all on the website.
As said above, Fenway 2016 was very well organized in my opinion. Multiple set ups, multiple times. I basically walked right up at one point and everything was available except the catch poster.
Fenway was great. this seems like they divided you into lines so that if you got behind someone buying that much stuff you were shit out of luck.
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A 10C ticket lottery winner bundle would be best IMO. ya win the lottery you get to buy the unique show shirt and poster only. works better for a full tour rather than the stadium shows but still would help. my guess is some people would still line up and flip but at least you can get those items easier if you choose to. I bet we are all willing to pay a little extra for this type of option too.
But then you'd get flippers willing to forfeit the cost of one ticket in order to makeup their loss by transfer /selling the other ticket and flipping the pre sale merch. Nothing will work until everything is mass produced to take away the limited nature of the items.
Hey I’m just trying to think of a way that people who want that can get it problem free. Of course there will be issues but at least a good group of fans will get takin care of
So, you solve a problem for a select group of fans, while possibly making it worse for others, while completely ignoring that this "Gotta have it!" attitude is what enables flippers (and general craziness) in the first place. I don't know how to fix that, but making some merch MORE exclusive is not the answer.
More about people waiting 45 minutes to an hour for one person to buy everything as well attempting to make it a little more difficult for the flippers.
Ultimately I will always believe a bundle for people who won ten club tix would be best
My point is, I don't think this would help anyone but the (relative) handful of 10C members who got tickets. Here's my thinking:
First, merch lines are not just 10 Club members. Pulling that group out of the lines wouldn't significantly impact wait times. Not to mention, there's other merch they may want.
Second, if they sell bundles, those posters probably come out of the print run. No reason to print more posters when a chunk of the fansbase has no need to go to the merch stand. That makes it harder to get posters at the merch stands, which increases value for flippers. Now, granted, there may be overlap between that chunk of 10C fans and the flipper's potential customer base, but at best that feels like a wash.
Third, what about non-10C members, or members who don't get tickets through the lottery? They learn that some fans already have the poster/shirt, and that increases demand as well.
I think the only way to really battle the flippers is to only sell merch inside. Yes, there would still be plenty who would take advantage of this, but it would be WAY more equitable to all going to the shows.
Really, though, the BEST thing to do is to take a deep breath, step back from all of the merch and repeat to yourself, "The experience is more important than the memorabilia" over and over until you really believe. Then, if you like a poster and it's available buy it. If not, go inside and enjoy the show. Pearl Jam puts merch out there, like every band does. It's on us fans to not go crazy and create the after-market for this stuff.
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My experience yesterday - Got there around 5:45 pm - not a single person in line outside. 1 person in front of me at the booth. From the time I parked my car until I was driving off again, maybe 20 minutes. Just grabbed a couple of shirts and koozies. It looked like they had plenty of everything - posters and all.
My experience yesterday - Got there around 5:45 pm - not a single person in line outside. 1 person in front of me at the booth. From the time I parked my car until I was driving off again, maybe 20 minutes. Just grabbed a couple of shirts and koozies. It looked like they had plenty of everything - posters and all.
A 10C ticket lottery winner bundle would be best IMO. ya win the lottery you get to buy the unique show shirt and poster only. works better for a full tour rather than the stadium shows but still would help. my guess is some people would still line up and flip but at least you can get those items easier if you choose to. I bet we are all willing to pay a little extra for this type of option too.
But then you'd get flippers willing to forfeit the cost of one ticket in order to makeup their loss by transfer /selling the other ticket and flipping the pre sale merch. Nothing will work until everything is mass produced to take away the limited nature of the items.
Hey I’m just trying to think of a way that people who want that can get it problem free. Of course there will be issues but at least a good group of fans will get takin care of
So, you solve a problem for a select group of fans, while possibly making it worse for others, while completely ignoring that this "Gotta have it!" attitude is what enables flippers (and general craziness) in the first place. I don't know how to fix that, but making some merch MORE exclusive is not the answer.
More about people waiting 45 minutes to an hour for one person to buy everything as well attempting to make it a little more difficult for the flippers.
Ultimately I will always believe a bundle for people who won ten club tix would be best
My point is, I don't think this would help anyone but the (relative) handful of 10C members who got tickets. Here's my thinking:
First, merch lines are not just 10 Club members. Pulling that group out of the lines wouldn't significantly impact wait times. Not to mention, there's other merch they may want.
Second, if they sell bundles, those posters probably come out of the print run. No reason to print more posters when a chunk of the fansbase has no need to go to the merch stand. That makes it harder to get posters at the merch stands, which increases value for flippers. Now, granted, there may be overlap between that chunk of 10C fans and the flipper's potential customer base, but at best that feels like a wash.
Third, what about non-10C members, or members who don't get tickets through the lottery? They learn that some fans already have the poster/shirt, and that increases demand as well.
I think the only way to really battle the flippers is to only sell merch inside. Yes, there would still be plenty who would take advantage of this, but it would be WAY more equitable to all going to the shows.
Really, though, the BEST thing to do is to take a deep breath, step back from all of the merch and repeat to yourself, "The experience is more important than the memorabilia" over and over until you really believe. Then, if you like a poster and it's available buy it. If not, go inside and enjoy the show. Pearl Jam puts merch out there, like every band does. It's on us fans to not go crazy and create the after-market for this stuff.
oh I have NO plans at all of wasting hours of my time in Chicago or Boston on a line in the HOPES that a shirt or a couple other things are there. I figured out how to get things in 2016 for what the cost and that was it. if I get nothing, so be it.
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My experience yesterday - Got there around 5:45 pm - not a single person in line outside. 1 person in front of me at the booth. From the time I parked my car until I was driving off again, maybe 20 minutes. Just grabbed a couple of shirts and koozies. It looked like they had plenty of everything - posters and all.
That is too funny. Did the same in Boston in 2016. Outside of the Catch poster, got everything i wanted in less than 20 minutes .
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That seller had a lot of bootleg stickers for sale. I wasn’t sure if they were selling real Seattle stickers or fake ones.
Yep, once I entered the merch tent it was very nice with about 10 or more individual lines, I ended up in a line where three people (they all knew each other, perhaps traveling together) from Brazil each bought over $1,500. Each one of the three bought over $1,500, it looked like they bought the limit of each item available. I asked the young lady who helped me how much each order was and she said $1,500. One of the three had previously been in another line and completed a large order and joined the other two in my line, we didn't expect him to do another purchase. The bummer for me as each order took about 40 minutes to assemble, add up, and check out. Two other folks ahead of me and several behind me must have waited over two hours for those three people to finish. I got in line at 10:50 and left the merch tent at 3:30. I'm not even exaggerating. Link to some video I took:
she is not from brazil.but from mexico,she is a huge fan and collector and a very respectful fan in pj community
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That seller had a lot of bootleg stickers for sale. I wasn’t sure if they were selling real Seattle stickers or fake ones.
Yep, once I entered the merch tent it was very nice with about 10 or more individual lines, I ended up in a line where three people (they all knew each other, perhaps traveling together) from Brazil each bought over $1,500. Each one of the three bought over $1,500, it looked like they bought the limit of each item available. I asked the young lady who helped me how much each order was and she said $1,500. One of the three had previously been in another line and completed a large order and joined the other two in my line, we didn't expect him to do another purchase. The bummer for me as each order took about 40 minutes to assemble, add up, and check out. Two other folks ahead of me and several behind me must have waited over two hours for those three people to finish. I got in line at 10:50 and left the merch tent at 3:30. I'm not even exaggerating. Link to some video I took:
she is not from brazil.but from mexico,she is a huge fan and collector and a very respectful fan in pj community
My experience yesterday - Got there around 5:45 pm - not a single person in line outside. 1 person in front of me at the booth. From the time I parked my car until I was driving off again, maybe 20 minutes. Just grabbed a couple of shirts and koozies. It looked like they had plenty of everything - posters and all.
This is good to hear. I am getting in around 5 tomorrow and may head straight there just to see what they have at that time and see if I can save time later in the trip. Might just get what I can get and then if I want something else see if I can get them inside the shows.
That seller had a lot of bootleg stickers for sale. I wasn’t sure if they were selling real Seattle stickers or fake ones.
Yep, once I entered the merch tent it was very nice with about 10 or more individual lines, I ended up in a line where three people (they all knew each other, perhaps traveling together) from Brazil each bought over $1,500. Each one of the three bought over $1,500, it looked like they bought the limit of each item available. I asked the young lady who helped me how much each order was and she said $1,500. One of the three had previously been in another line and completed a large order and joined the other two in my line, we didn't expect him to do another purchase. The bummer for me as each order took about 40 minutes to assemble, add up, and check out. Two other folks ahead of me and several behind me must have waited over two hours for those three people to finish. I got in line at 10:50 and left the merch tent at 3:30. I'm not even exaggerating. Link to some video I took:
she is not from brazil.but from mexico,she is a huge fan and collector and a very respectful fan in pj community
So she keeps all that stuff?
As i said, huge collector, very well respected fan in pj community. And For sure the pj flippers are not fans from mexico. its an inside job, no need tot built a wall.
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"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
That seller had a lot of bootleg stickers for sale. I wasn’t sure if they were selling real Seattle stickers or fake ones.
Yep, once I entered the merch tent it was very nice with about 10 or more individual lines, I ended up in a line where three people (they all knew each other, perhaps traveling together) from Brazil each bought over $1,500. Each one of the three bought over $1,500, it looked like they bought the limit of each item available. I asked the young lady who helped me how much each order was and she said $1,500. One of the three had previously been in another line and completed a large order and joined the other two in my line, we didn't expect him to do another purchase. The bummer for me as each order took about 40 minutes to assemble, add up, and check out. Two other folks ahead of me and several behind me must have waited over two hours for those three people to finish. I got in line at 10:50 and left the merch tent at 3:30. I'm not even exaggerating. Link to some video I took:
she is not from brazil.but from mexico,she is a huge fan and collector and a very respectful fan in pj community
Respectful flipper
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people waited in line longer than the actual show!!! For merch!!!
i get a little bit wanting first row but a poster? Hat?
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I definitely want 1 poster but may have to wait and see and possibly pay double online vs losing out on 3 hours of Seattle time (it's a vacation for me). It's not worth my blood boiling watching people buy 5 bags of stuff. I can't help but picture a Portlandia skit in my head where Fred and Carrie wait in line 6 hours to buy $5k worth of merch, miss the show for it, and then get home to see it's all on the website.
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Really, though, the BEST thing to do is to take a deep breath, step back from all of the merch and repeat to yourself, "The experience is more important than the memorabilia" over and over until you really believe. Then, if you like a poster and it's available buy it. If not, go inside and enjoy the show. Pearl Jam puts merch out there, like every band does. It's on us fans to not go crazy and create the after-market for this stuff.
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+1
And For sure the pj flippers are not fans from mexico. its an inside job, no need tot built a wall.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”