Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,469
    edited July 2018
    NewJPage said:
    josevolution said:
    NewJPage said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I'd be concerned if I were a democrat. Nothing against her, but Tom Perez (the chair of the DNC) said that she's the future of the party. In other words, the leaders democratic party seem to be moving more and more left. That might not bode well in general elections.
    Just based on issues, the majority of Americans support her in almost all of them. Democrats are just generally terrible politicians 
    What do you call the man that’s the president at the moment if not terrible? Democrats tend to be better human beings ..
    He's a terrible human being. Dem lost to him. I don't think "the Democrats suck at politics" is a very hot take. The fact that, as I said, most people agree with them on the issues and they still can't win is proof
    Doesn't gerrymandering and making it hard to vore for certain people make it an uphill battle for Dems compared to Repubs?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    unsung said:


    Funny how her Socialist views were not the same when she ran a business.  An opportunist that further moves the DNC to the radical far left.  This is good for the country, it'll energize the right.  Socialism is cancer.
    I see you are still refusing to acknowledge what democratic socialism actually is, lol. I sincerely don't know if this is willful ignorance, trolling, or stupidity.
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    NewJPage said:
    josevolution said:
    NewJPage said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I'd be concerned if I were a democrat. Nothing against her, but Tom Perez (the chair of the DNC) said that she's the future of the party. In other words, the leaders democratic party seem to be moving more and more left. That might not bode well in general elections.
    Just based on issues, the majority of Americans support her in almost all of them. Democrats are just generally terrible politicians 
    What do you call the man that’s the president at the moment if not terrible? Democrats tend to be better human beings ..
    He's a terrible human being. Dem lost to him. I don't think "the Democrats suck at politics" is a very hot take. The fact that, as I said, most people agree with them on the issues and they still can't win is proof
    Doesn't gerrymandering and making it hard to vore for certain people make it an uphill battle for Dems compared to Repubs?
    Very much does. As does a large percentage of young and/or educated leaving rural areas/states for cities, where their votes count less. This is going to make winning the Senate super difficult in 20-30 years.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:89
    unsung said:
    Opportunist to get a $174k job.

    Wool over eyes.

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/05/ocasio-cortez-tax-cuts-business/
    Says the guy who loves Team Trump Treason’s swamp filling. Gee, have you ever criticized any of Team Trump Treason’s family or appointees? Yet a woman wins a primary and may win a general and thus be accountable to the people and it’s faux outrage from you. Too bad you don’t have the balls to run for that $174K job, huh?
    Why would I take a pay cut?

    Nothing to say about her philosophical change though, huh?
    Because you could draft a bill that eliminates all taxes on those earning more than $174K a year and take home more than you do now. 
    I'd eliminate the income tax for all earners.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    There's that free word again.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    unsung said:
    There's that free word again.
    I'm sorry.  I'll try to remember to use the word "enslaved" more often.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    There's that free word again.
    We all know what she means; no need to be coy about it. 

    An educated and skilled populace is generally viewed as a good thing for a country. An uneducated and unskilled populace, on the other hand..... well, let’s just say we have seen how that goes. 
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited July 2018
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    She is why the Democrats are in no rush to put forward any major candidates and are lying back letting Trump and the GOP stew in their own mess.... Trump/GOP thrive on having political enemies to focus their followers on (still talking about Hillary?). They desperately NEED enemies to attack, because they fucking suck at actually governing. She won a primary for a congressional seat, and look at how they are already going after her, like she is running for POTUS. Unsung posting memes, etc. Democrats can continue to lay low, no need to give them imaginary enemies of the state to froth over, just let them watch the MAGA circus for a bit longer and allow them to own this mess
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    She is why the Democrats are in no rush to put forward any major candidates and are lying back letting Trump and the GOP stew in their own mess.... Trump/GOP thrive on having political enemies to focus their followers on (still talking about Hillary?). They desperately NEED enemies to attack, because they fucking suck at actually governing. She won a primary for a congressional seat, and look at how they are already going after her, like she is running for POTUS. Unsung posting memes, etc. Democrats can continue to lay low, no need to give them imaginary enemies of the state to froth over, just let them watch the MAGA circus for a bit longer and allow them to own this mess
    Nope. The entire Democratic party is being plastered as having her views which are not in line with the majority of Democrats let alone most Americans. This is why Democrats suck at political campaigns. 
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    In my opinion, she is a university trained barmaid ... with a degree in ignorance and a minor in intolerance .
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    flywallyfly said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    She is why the Democrats are in no rush to put forward any major candidates and are lying back letting Trump and the GOP stew in their own mess.... Trump/GOP thrive on having political enemies to focus their followers on (still talking about Hillary?). They desperately NEED enemies to attack, because they fucking suck at actually governing. She won a primary for a congressional seat, and look at how they are already going after her, like she is running for POTUS. Unsung posting memes, etc. Democrats can continue to lay low, no need to give them imaginary enemies of the state to froth over, just let them watch the MAGA circus for a bit longer and allow them to own this mess
    Nope. The entire Democratic party is being plastered as having her views which are not in line with the majority of Democrats let alone most Americans. This is why Democrats suck at political campaigns. 
    What are you using to gauge what the majority of dems and Americans want? 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    flywallyfly said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    In my opinion, she is a university trained barmaid ... with a degree in ignorance and a minor in intolerance .
    That may be your opinion but that facts are (assuming you don't have a problem with facts):

    -In high school she won second prize at the International Science and Engineering Fair with a research project in microbiology.
    -In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zalvala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session.
    -She was the LDZ Secretary of State at Boston University.
    -During college, she was an intern in the immigration office of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy.
    -She graduated fourth in her class from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in economics and international relations.

    Yes, she was a bartender in Manhattan for a while.  I guess politicians should never have real jobs, right.  Especially a job like bartending where you meet and get to know real people.  Ooooh, that's bad!

    Oh, but please continue with you derogatory and disparaging smears.  They are so enlightening and humorous!


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    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:
    flywallyfly said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    In my opinion, she is a university trained barmaid ... with a degree in ignorance and a minor in intolerance .
    That may be your opinion but that facts are (assuming you don't have a problem with facts):

    -In high school she won second prize at the International Science and Engineering Fair with a research project in microbiology.
    -In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zalvala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session.
    -She was the LDZ Secretary of State at Boston University.
    -During college, she was an intern in the immigration office of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy.
    -She graduated fourth in her class from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in economics and international relations.

    Yes, she was a bartender in Manhattan for a while.  I guess politicians should never have real jobs, right.  Especially a job like bartending where you meet and get to know real people.  Ooooh, that's bad!

    Oh, but please continue with you derogatory and disparaging smears.  They are so enlightening and humorous!


    Generally people are dismissive of either the university educated or people with unskilled, “regular” jobs. It takes a certain flair to be dismissive of both :lol:  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,126
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    flywallyfly said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    In my opinion, she is a university trained barmaid ... with a degree in ignorance and a minor in intolerance .
    That may be your opinion but that facts are (assuming you don't have a problem with facts):

    -In high school she won second prize at the International Science and Engineering Fair with a research project in microbiology.
    -In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zalvala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session.
    -She was the LDZ Secretary of State at Boston University.
    -During college, she was an intern in the immigration office of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy.
    -She graduated fourth in her class from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in economics and international relations.

    Yes, she was a bartender in Manhattan for a while.  I guess politicians should never have real jobs, right.  Especially a job like bartending where you meet and get to know real people.  Ooooh, that's bad!

    Oh, but please continue with you derogatory and disparaging smears.  They are so enlightening and humorous!


    Generally people are dismissive of either the university educated or people with unskilled, “regular” jobs. It takes a certain flair to be dismissive of both :lol:  
    They love the uneducated.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    And she has a gotdammed asteriod named after her!!!
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited July 2018
    it's a shame so many are jealous of the college educated.  its not like having some god given skill like perfect pitch.  its just something you sign up for, do the work and come out better for it.  so fucking tired of hearing shit about it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    CM189191 said:
    And she has a gotdammed asteriod named after her!!!
    OMG!  We all know THAT means trouble!
    :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    flywallyfly said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    In my opinion, she is a university trained barmaid ... with a degree in ignorance and a minor in intolerance .
    You know, the first time ‘round I got so caught up in the absurdity of the content I didn’t even notice you used the term “barmaid” :lol: . Maybe time to leave the Victorian era and join the rest of us in the 21st century? 

    Ah, that short post - the gift that keeps on giving =) 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    oftenreading said:
    flywallyfly said:
    brianlux said:
    Ocasio-Cortez is being lambasted for making a few blunders in a recent interview.  So she should be canned, right?  No, I don't think so.  That would be like saying Pearl Jam should be kicked off stage in the early days because Eddie botched a lyric or Mike missed a chord.  She's 28, has a lot of great ideas and lots of time to develop her political chops. Besides, compared to the blunders our current POTUS has made, her goofs are minor.  The media wants you to think otherwise.  Don't buy it.

    What do I like about here platform?  This:

    -She's hard-core pro environment.  Great start right there.
    -She's in favor of impeaching Trump.  Good to go!
    -She supports LGBT Community.  Right on.
    -Pro universal healthcare.  Seems very reasonable to me.
    - Wants tuition free college and trade schools.  Did I hear someone say "make America strong again"?  This is the way.
    -Believes housing is a human right.  And a humane viewpoint.
    -Supports reasonable campaign reform.
    - In favor of ending the war on drugs.

    In my opinion, a sound package.  Let's not give up on potential greatness. 
    In my opinion, she is a university trained barmaid ... with a degree in ignorance and a minor in intolerance .
    You know, the first time ‘round I got so caught up in the absurdity of the content I didn’t even notice you used the term “barmaid” :lol: . Maybe time to leave the Victorian era and join the rest of us in the 21st century? 

    Ah, that short post - the gift that keeps on giving =) 
    :lol:  I'm loving this thread lately!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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