What is the 2nd Amendment?

Halifax2TheMax

dankind said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?

I would love to tar and feather you, YES!

Kinky

We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to know  
 

I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck. 

Or quack, honk or sing like a canary or any other species of bird or feather laden species.

Renfield

Halifax2TheMax said:

dankind said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?

I would love to tar and feather you, YES!

Kinky

We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to know  
 

I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck. 

Or quack, honk or sing like a canary or any other species of bird or feather laden species.

How about an Unladend Swallow?  

dankind

Renfield said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dankind said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?

I would love to tar and feather you, YES!

Kinky

We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to know  
 

I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck. 

Or quack, honk or sing like a canary or any other species of bird or feather laden species.

How about an Unladend Swallow?  

African or European?

Renfield

dankind said:

Renfield said:

How about an Unladend Swallow?  

African or European?

European. African swallows are not migratory.

tempo_n_groove

Kat said:

The second amendment protects your musket from being taken by the government. 

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me, well-regulated means regulating to protect the citizens of the U.S. The right to bear arms is not more important than that. People can keep their muskets for hunting and sport. 

Yes, seriously.
Happy Wednesday all.

What's great about the constitution was that it was open for interpretation and could be changed.

We can still use prisoners for slave labor if we want to hold the constitution to the T.  That's 13 I believe?

It also doesn't mention muskets.  Right to bear arms or do they mean I actually have rights to my own arms?

The musket thing is silly, really is.  I wish people would stop using that as an actual argument.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

dankind said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?

I would love to tar and feather you, YES!

Kinky

We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to know  
 

I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck. 

Or quack, honk or sing like a canary or any other species of bird or feather laden species.

No dice then, I'm out!

CM189191

The 2nd Amendment is systematic institutional structural racism 

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dankind said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?

I would love to tar and feather you, YES!

Kinky

We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to know  
 

I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck. 

Or quack, honk or sing like a canary or any other species of bird or feather laden species.

No dice then, I'm out!

And here I thought you had your groove on.

F Me In The Brain

CM189191 said:

The 2nd Amendment is systematic institutional structural racism 

AMENDMENT II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

We get dumber by the minute.

mickeyrat

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.ok

so how is the State to know? thats what is in play in a lot of places right now. hows that working out?

bte, the government of the day granted this right..... it isnt inviolate.

mickeyrat

I wonder what the 3 day failure rate is now on background checks. by that I mesn, how many failures of the fbi result in issuance.....

if they cant get it done in 3 days, the weapon is legally allowed to be bought by that individual, no?

pearljammr78

💪🏽 These are the only guns I need. 💪🏽

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.ok

so how is the State to know? thats what is in play in a lot of places right now. hows that working out?

bte, the government of the day granted this right..... it isnt inviolate.

State laws vary on firearms.  I could technically go and buy an AR in Pennsylvania but can not legally own it in New York.  It's a huge disconnect between states.

A law I was a big fan of was letting police officers carry across state lines.  For years they never could which I thought was dumb.

The Federal government gives the states power to certain things hence why NY passed that abortion law but passed a law for LE to carry in all 50 states.

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.ok

so how is the State to know? thats what is in play in a lot of places right now. hows that working out?

bte, the government of the day granted this right..... it isnt inviolate.

State laws vary on firearms.  I could technically go and buy an AR in Pennsylvania but can not legally own it in New York.  It's a huge disconnect between states.

A law I was a big fan of was letting police officers carry across state lines.  For years they never could which I thought was dumb.

The Federal government gives the states power to certain things hence why NY passed that abortion law but passed a law for LE to carry in all 50 states.

exactly. Ohio does not require anything of a private sale. no questions need asked, like are you a felon. no check needs done. no reporting of the transfer is required.

so given that standard, is it any wonder weapins end up in the hands of those it shouldnt?

just curious , where you stand on patriot act provisions, nsa metadata collection etc....

mickeyrat

this seems important too.....ties directly into the 2nd.....

https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/58-the-militia-clauses.html

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.ok

so how is the State to know? thats what is in play in a lot of places right now. hows that working out?

bte, the government of the day granted this right..... it isnt inviolate.

State laws vary on firearms.  I could technically go and buy an AR in Pennsylvania but can not legally own it in New York.  It's a huge disconnect between states.

A law I was a big fan of was letting police officers carry across state lines.  For years they never could which I thought was dumb.

The Federal government gives the states power to certain things hence why NY passed that abortion law but passed a law for LE to carry in all 50 states.

exactly. Ohio does not require anything of a private sale. no questions need asked, like are you a felon. no check needs done. no reporting of the transfer is required.

so given that standard, is it any wonder weapins end up in the hands of those it shouldnt?

just curious , where you stand on patriot act provisions, nsa metadata collection etc....

I do not like the gathering of information in Patriot act, I do not like facial recognition and would like to all out ban it.

When I have sold a firearm in the past it is illegal to sell to a known felon and illegal for a felon to pretend that he is allowed to own a gun.  For that reason I actually did my own paperwork to make sure that if something happened that I was in the clear.  I'm sure not everyone does this?

I don't want to offer my information of what sold and what I might have though.

Give a class across the boards for the firearms.  Keep the class 3 laws the same though as it is already difficult enough to obtain one.

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.ok

so how is the State to know? thats what is in play in a lot of places right now. hows that working out?

bte, the government of the day granted this right..... it isnt inviolate.

State laws vary on firearms.  I could technically go and buy an AR in Pennsylvania but can not legally own it in New York.  It's a huge disconnect between states.

A law I was a big fan of was letting police officers carry across state lines.  For years they never could which I thought was dumb.

The Federal government gives the states power to certain things hence why NY passed that abortion law but passed a law for LE to carry in all 50 states.

exactly. Ohio does not require anything of a private sale. no questions need asked, like are you a felon. no check needs done. no reporting of the transfer is required.

so given that standard, is it any wonder weapins end up in the hands of those it shouldnt?

just curious , where you stand on patriot act provisions, nsa metadata collection etc....

I do not like the gathering of information in Patriot act, I do not like facial recognition and would like to all out ban it.

When I have sold a firearm in the past it is illegal to sell to a known felon and illegal for a felon to pretend that he is allowed to own a gun.  For that reason I actually did my own paperwork to make sure that if something happened that I was in the clear.  I'm sure not everyone does this?

I don't want to offer my information of what sold and what I might have though.

Give a class across the boards for the firearms.  Keep the class 3 laws the same though as it is already difficult enough to obtain one.

ok. where do you see the breakdown then?  What in place now, isnt working? NY guns are coming up from the Carolinas arent they? Chicagos are coming from Gary or surrounding areas in Indiana. Ohios guns are dispersed over a large swath of thed U.S.

The steps you and Mcgruff need to take arent steps most of the rest of the country need to take. I propose the rest of the country falls in behind your respective states. Not making it harder on you necessarily, but bringing everyone else up to your standards in NY and NJ.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

its extremely important to understand the language and usage of the day.

regulated meant to make regular, as in well trained. State could mean country or individual State. regardless we shouldn't part out this amendment. Focusing solely on the shall not infringe part while ignoring the regulated part.

there can and should be uniform standards of training across the board, continuing training and education. rules and regulations even laws regarding lax behavior surrounding ppossession.Weapons are far too serious to fuck around.

You leave a weapon out for a child to get hold of, grieve in prison. none of that shit is accidental. its readily foreseen.

all weapons begin as legal from the manufacturers. are the street guns stolen from them? the gun stores? private hands? trace serial numbers and hold the negilgent parties accountable.

stop all person to person private sales. this area I believe is where most of the generic crime guns come from. same with the gang weapons.

I really like what Mcgruff has shared about Jerseys laws. would love to see that model adopted in whole or in part nationwide.

I like person to person sales.  I like the govt not knowing everything I do.  What I will give you is if that firearm sales, if not legally done within a person to person should be a punishable offense.

I'd like to own whatever I want in any state.  If you want me to train for that and re-certify every couple of years then fine but I'd like to be able to still own the cool stuff.  After so many years one should be grandfathered in.  If a cop gets to conceal for the rest of his life after 20 years of service and pretty much own what he wants then I should get the same treatment after so many years.

That's my offer.ok

so how is the State to know? thats what is in play in a lot of places right now. hows that working out?

bte, the government of the day granted this right..... it isnt inviolate.

State laws vary on firearms.  I could technically go and buy an AR in Pennsylvania but can not legally own it in New York.  It's a huge disconnect between states.

A law I was a big fan of was letting police officers carry across state lines.  For years they never could which I thought was dumb.

The Federal government gives the states power to certain things hence why NY passed that abortion law but passed a law for LE to carry in all 50 states.

exactly. Ohio does not require anything of a private sale. no questions need asked, like are you a felon. no check needs done. no reporting of the transfer is required.

so given that standard, is it any wonder weapins end up in the hands of those it shouldnt?

just curious , where you stand on patriot act provisions, nsa metadata collection etc....

I do not like the gathering of information in Patriot act, I do not like facial recognition and would like to all out ban it.

When I have sold a firearm in the past it is illegal to sell to a known felon and illegal for a felon to pretend that he is allowed to own a gun.  For that reason I actually did my own paperwork to make sure that if something happened that I was in the clear.  I'm sure not everyone does this?

I don't want to offer my information of what sold and what I might have though.

Give a class across the boards for the firearms.  Keep the class 3 laws the same though as it is already difficult enough to obtain one.

ok. where do you see the breakdown then?  What in place now, isnt working? NY guns are coming up from the Carolinas arent they? Chicagos are coming from Gary or surrounding areas in Indiana. Ohios guns are dispersed over a large swath of thed U.S.

The steps you and Mcgruff need to take arent steps most of the rest of the country need to take. I propose the rest of the country falls in behind your respective states. Not making it harder on you necessarily, but bringing everyone else up to your standards in NY and NJ.

NY and NJ doesn't want you to own anything.

The laws are in place but it is still easy to get a gun illegally if you want it.  Laws are strict but it doesn't matter.  So what are NY and NJ doing right exactly?