What is the 2nd Amendment?
mattsl1983
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In order for us to even remotely argue gun control, we have to use defined terms. What is the second amendment? How do you people define it? It’s a long shot, but maybe we can come to a consensus here and and then work towards an agreement?
My thought process is the second amendment was placed in order to give citizens the equal power to take on the government if it ever came to that point. It was never about hunting, it was about protecting personal sovereignty in the event the government ever became to big, to infringing, that the people, the citizens would be able to resist and ultimately cause a revolution. And with that knowledge, the government knows their boundaries and acts accordingly. That’s my interpretation at least. I’m open to be wrong, but before anything we have to at least define something we are for or against.
My thought process is the second amendment was placed in order to give citizens the equal power to take on the government if it ever came to that point. It was never about hunting, it was about protecting personal sovereignty in the event the government ever became to big, to infringing, that the people, the citizens would be able to resist and ultimately cause a revolution. And with that knowledge, the government knows their boundaries and acts accordingly. That’s my interpretation at least. I’m open to be wrong, but before anything we have to at least define something we are for or against.
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You’re describing the root cause of the problem. Like the bible, documents written by man can not remain relevant in perpetuity - they lack the context of changes in civilization.mattsl1983 said:In order for us to even remotely argue gun control, we have to use defined terms. What is the second amendment? How do you people define it? It’s a long shot, but maybe we can come to a consensus here and and then work towards an agreement?
My thought process is the second amendment was placed in order to give citizens the equal power to take on the government if it ever came to that point. It was never about hunting, it was about protecting personal sovereignty in the event the government ever became to big, to infringing, that the people, the citizens would be able to resist and ultimately cause a revolution. And with that knowledge, the government knows their boundaries and acts accordingly. That’s my interpretation at least. I’m open to be wrong, but before anything we have to at least define something we are for or against.
You won’t find consensus because some will be influenced by their bias to find meaning X, others meaning Y, etc.
This isn’t a long shot, it’s an impossibility. The meanings of almost every word or phrase in the 2nd amendment has changed between then and now, because society has changed yet the words remain the same.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487You are correct. One only need to read source documents to understand that.
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In terms of grammar and clearly conveying an idea, the 2nd amendment is the worst piece of garbage the Founding Fathers left for us.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Every Amendment has been dumped on, if not people would be dragged out of Capital Buildings. And they rightfully should. Tarring and feathering needs to become a used practice again.0
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Congress was created to be the gatekeepers of your precious Constitution yet they are sitting on their hands and trampling in to dust , starting with your CIC and being backed up by McConnell Ryan & shit head Nunes start with them !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487This didn't start in 2017.0
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It’s about having a militia since there was no standing army at the time it was written. The thing about overthrowing the government is a created fantasy.0
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i agree but today is today what do you propose we do about the past yrs ? we need to call them out and today is just as good as any other day ....unsung said:This didn't start in 2017.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
So is freedom of speech...HughFreakingDillon said:antiquated and irrelevant in today's world.
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I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I would love to tar and feather you, YES!Halifax2TheMax said:I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?0 -
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I would love to tar and feather you, YES!Halifax2TheMax said:I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?
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What weapons would be necessary to "take on the government" now? Drones? Tactical nukes? Tanks?mattsl1983 said:In order for us to even remotely argue gun control, we have to use defined terms. What is the second amendment? How do you people define it? It’s a long shot, but maybe we can come to a consensus here and and then work towards an agreement?
My thought process is the second amendment was placed in order to give citizens the equal power to take on the government if it ever came to that point. It was never about hunting, it was about protecting personal sovereignty in the event the government ever became to big, to infringing, that the people, the citizens would be able to resist and ultimately cause a revolution. And with that knowledge, the government knows their boundaries and acts accordingly. That’s my interpretation at least. I’m open to be wrong, but before anything we have to at least define something we are for or against.
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The second amendment protects your musket from being taken by the government.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
To me, well-regulated means regulating to protect the citizens of the U.S. The right to bear arms is not more important than that. People can keep their muskets for hunting and sport.
Yes, seriously.
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Kinkytempo_n_groove said:
I would love to tar and feather you, YES!Halifax2TheMax said:I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Kinkytempo_n_groove said:
I would love to tar and feather you, YES!Halifax2TheMax said:I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?
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I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck.oftenreading said:
We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to knowHalifax2TheMax said:
Kinkytempo_n_groove said:
I would love to tar and feather you, YES!Halifax2TheMax said:I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?
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Halifax2TheMax said:
I draw the line at clucking. I will not cluck.oftenreading said:
We just learned something about tempo that I’m not sure we wanted to knowHalifax2TheMax said:
Kinkytempo_n_groove said:
I would love to tar and feather you, YES!Halifax2TheMax said:I’ll take tar and feathering if it means outlawing guns. Any takers?
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