Human population: Is it a problem? If so, what are the solutions?

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cool with what we are used to).

oftenreading

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

Absolutely, for your last point. 

I can not make myself try insect protein, even though I know it is simply a matter of what I am used or unused to. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

Not embryos though, if that helps.  They haven't been fertilizer, it is just the egg without sperm or fetal development.

Probably doesn't help lol

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

Not embryos though, if that helps.  They haven't been fertilizer, it is just the egg without sperm or fetal development.

Probably doesn't help lol

yeah, I know that, but it's still gross. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

I eat eggs, but I've also got a bit of an ick thing going on with them, but only when something is wrong with it. For example, a few weeks ago I had some free range eggs (only kind I will buy, and that reduces the ick a LOT for me), and I had been enjoying them... Until one morning when I was making a breakfast bagel and when I cracked the egg into the pan I found a little bit of fucking blood in the yolk. So I looked it up right away and read that it's fine, it's just something to do with some broken blood vessel at some point during the egg production process in the chicken. Totally okay to eat.... So I sucked it up, broke the yolk, kept cooking, and I couldn't see this little flaw at all once it was done. I started eating the sandwich..... and immediately just felt absolutely NAUSEOUS. It was all I could do to not barf. I tried my best to talk myself out of it, knowing how stupid and psychological it was, but to no avail. I had to throw the thing out after two bites, and I actually continued to feel sick for a good half hour just thinking about it. Of course, maybe 2 days after that I had a nice medium rare steak with way more blood than was in the yolk oozing out of the fucking thing onto the plate, and it was delicious, lol. How dumb!

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

Not embryos though, if that helps.  They haven't been fertilizer, it is just the egg without sperm or fetal development.

Probably doesn't help lol

yeah, I know that, but it's still gross. 

Eh, it's cooked though, drinking cow's breast milk straight is way moreso.

Plants are alive too, when you bite them you tear into their cells and drink their blood too.  
Life is a cycle of breaking living things down to build other living things.

Doesn't bother me.
Then again, I cut chickens' throats and tear their guts out inimy back yard and then eat them so maybe I'm not the best judge lol

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

I eat eggs, but I've also got a bit of an ick thing going on with them, but only when something is wrong with it. For example, a few weeks ago I had some free range eggs (only kind I will buy, and that reduces the ick a LOT for me), and I had been enjoying them... Until one morning when I was making a breakfast bagel and when I cracked the egg into the pan I found a little bit of fucking blood in the yolk. So I looked it up right away and read that it's fine, it's just something to do with some broken blood vessel at some point during the egg production process in the chicken. Totally okay to eat.... So I sucked it up, broke the yolk, kept cooking, and I couldn't see this little flaw at all once it was done. I started eating the sandwich..... and immediately just felt absolutely NAUSEOUS. It was all I could do to not barf. I tried my best to talk myself out of it, knowing how stupid and psychological it was, but to no avail. I had to throw the thing out after two bites, and I actually continued to feel sick for a good half hour just thinking about it. Of course, maybe 2 days after that I had a nice medium rare steak with way more blood than was in the yolk oozing out of the fucking thing onto the plate, and it was delicious, lol. How dumb!

when I was a cook 20 years ago, we were always told that when we'd find blood in a yolk, always discard that egg. I always thought it was a health thing, not a presentation thing (mainly because the restaurant owners were about nothing more than the bottom line). I have never once eaten a bloody yolk. 

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

I eat eggs, but I've also got a bit of an ick thing going on with them, but only when something is wrong with it. For example, a few weeks ago I had some free range eggs (only kind I will buy, and that reduces the ick a LOT for me), and I had been enjoying them... Until one morning when I was making a breakfast bagel and when I cracked the egg into the pan I found a little bit of fucking blood in the yolk. So I looked it up right away and read that it's fine, it's just something to do with some broken blood vessel at some point during the egg production process in the chicken. Totally okay to eat.... So I sucked it up, broke the yolk, kept cooking, and I couldn't see this little flaw at all once it was done. I started eating the sandwich..... and immediately just felt absolutely NAUSEOUS. It was all I could do to not barf. I tried my best to talk myself out of it, knowing how stupid and psychological it was, but to no avail. I had to throw the thing out after two bites, and I actually continued to feel sick for a good half hour just thinking about it. Of course, maybe 2 days after that I had a nice medium rare steak with way more blood than was in the yolk oozing out of the fucking thing onto the plate, and it was delicious, lol. How dumb!

Hahaha everyone has little ick factors that don't make so much sense like that.
Fish skin is mine.  Not so hot on the idea of scales in my food.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

Not embryos though, if that helps.  They haven't been fertilizer, it is just the egg without sperm or fetal development.

Probably doesn't help lol

yeah, I know that, but it's still gross. 

Eh, it's cooked though, drinking cow's breast milk straight is way moreso.

Plants are alive too, when you bite them you tear into their cells and drink their blood too.  
Life is a cycle of breaking living things down to build other living things.

Doesn't bother me.
Then again, I cut chickens' throats and tear their guts out inimy back yard and then eat them so maybe I'm not the best judge lol

yeah, I get that. I eat meat and all that. like my steak a bit bloody. 

it's the "eating the unborn" thing that gets to me. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am very interested in this endeavor to make meat in a laboratory. It seems to me that it's totally possible, and for it to taste very good and have nutrition. If that can be brought to mass market (and the product remains accessible in terms of pricing, and I don't see why it wouldn't), that will change so much for the better. It would be just an incredible leap forward for humanity, in terms of both environment and animal welfare..... Not so good for those who raise livestock, but hey, times change. I would imagine that milk and egg production would still continue too.

as hypocritical as this may be, given the amount of processed unknown garbage I probably consume, there is a massive ick factor to this for me. 

Well, it's still real meat. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to get used to the idea. As long as the meat tastes and looks and feels right, people will quickly adjust to the idea, and soon enough it will seem normal, and eating meat from animals that were penned and slaughtered will be where a massive ick factor comes in (and when you think about it, the fact the ick factor doesn't come in now for all of us meat eaters, knowing what we know about slaughter houses, it what's really fucking weird! That is just proof that we are cook with what we are used to).

there honestly is a massive ick factor for me already. especially when I eat eggs. without hyperbole, every single damn time I make eggs I think "fuck, I'm eating chicken embryos-that's disgusting". But I still do because I had been doing it for 4 decades before the reality of it even entered my consciousness. I think convention is stronger than the ick factor in that case. 

I eat eggs, but I've also got a bit of an ick thing going on with them, but only when something is wrong with it. For example, a few weeks ago I had some free range eggs (only kind I will buy, and that reduces the ick a LOT for me), and I had been enjoying them... Until one morning when I was making a breakfast bagel and when I cracked the egg into the pan I found a little bit of fucking blood in the yolk. So I looked it up right away and read that it's fine, it's just something to do with some broken blood vessel at some point during the egg production process in the chicken. Totally okay to eat.... So I sucked it up, broke the yolk, kept cooking, and I couldn't see this little flaw at all once it was done. I started eating the sandwich..... and immediately just felt absolutely NAUSEOUS. It was all I could do to not barf. I tried my best to talk myself out of it, knowing how stupid and psychological it was, but to no avail. I had to throw the thing out after two bites, and I actually continued to feel sick for a good half hour just thinking about it. Of course, maybe 2 days after that I had a nice medium rare steak with way more blood than was in the yolk oozing out of the fucking thing onto the plate, and it was delicious, lol. How dumb!

when I was a cook 20 years ago, we were always told that when we'd find blood in a yolk, always discard that egg. I always thought it was a health thing, not a presentation thing (mainly because the restaurant owners were about nothing more than the bottom line). I have never once eaten a bloody yolk. 

Maybe the person who instructed you to do that thought it was a health risk, but it definitely isn't. If you don't break the yolks I can see why it would be a presentation issue though, especially when the yolk is cooked more rare. Fuck, if I got a bloody yolk in my eggs benny I'd definitely be expecting a free meal, haha.

Meltdown99

I love eggs...one of my favourite foods.

And I'm not eating any meat grown in a lab...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

I love eggs...one of my favourite foods.

And I'm not eating any meat grown in a lab...

Haha, well if the technology takes off, and it absolutely will eventually, and absolutely should because the meat industry is absolutely destroying the environment, then have fun eating $30 steaks while boasting about how you still choose the option that is terrible for the planet and that will quickly be viewed as monstrous in terms of animal welfare.
As water and land becomes more and more scarce, this technology will become and more and more necessary. Pretty soon you'll either eat meat grown in a lab or be a vegetarian.

even flow - question mark

When famine, drought, and mother nature's will does not keep the population in check, WAR SURE DOES. And judging by the way things are going, we are heading there in the next twenty years.

PJ_Soul

even flow - question mark said:

When famine, drought, and mother nature's will does not keep the population in check, WAR SURE DOES. And judging by the way things are going, we are heading there in the next twenty years.

War won't do it. War kills a lot of people, but not enough to put a dent in the overpopulation problem - not with today's warfare tactics. Some kind of plague will do it though. Super viruses to the rescue. I mean, the obvious exception is a full blown global nuclear holocaust... Do you really think that will happen? I don't.

Thoughts_Arrive

Don't worry we'll colonise Mars!

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

even flow - question mark said:

When famine, drought, and mother nature's will does not keep the population in check, WAR SURE DOES. And judging by the way things are going, we are heading there in the next twenty years.

War won't do it. War kills a lot of people, but not enough to put a dent in the overpopulation problem - not with today's warfare tactics. Some kind of plague will do it though. Super viruses to the rescue. I mean, the obvious exception is a full blown global nuclear holocaust... Do you really think that will happen? I don't.

I agree, I don't think there will be nuclear holocaust either and hopefully not thinking so out of denial.  After so many decades of hearing about it, one begins to put such thoughts aside.  Also, surviving the Cuban Missile Crisis gave an edge to countries not being too eager to go there again.

That thing you brought up about lab meat is interesting.  The biggest impediment's gotta be that lab/meat word combo. 

"I'd like the Swiss and Lab Meat Combo, please."   

Not gonna make the mouth water. 

brianlux

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Don't worry we'll colonise Mars!

But not until we cut all the trees down there first!

brianlux